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legendary
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May 22, 2020, 08:44:22 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/bsv/comments/go4ppp/breaking_craig_wright_cryptographically_proved/

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Wright also produced (perhaps unintentionally), a “keys.dat” file containing the private key that was necessary to send the messages from the bit message account he claims was associated with David Kleiman. In other words, Wright undeniably had the ability to send these messages.
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 09:59:09 AM
So, this thread apparently made it into a cointelegraph article. I received an email from AnonyMint with the following update:

Quote from: AnonyMint
Let’s not forget that Satoshi warned us that he had built a game theoretic defense mechanism into Bitcoin which would eventually take back (aka restore) the value taken away by counterfeiting thieves such as the Bitcoin Core “soft fork”:

Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
“Imagine if gold turned to lead when stolen.  If the thief gives it back, it turns to gold again,”

(P.S. note the double space after the period which Satoshi always employed even in his accurate anonymous description of Bitcoin in 1999)

Cointelegraph’s recent article  Craig Wright Threatened to Crash The Bitcoin Price… So, What Happened? has mentioned this thread, so it’s time for an update.

Here’s a link to my current and updated idea for a topological, fractal pattern analysis of Bitcoin’s past and future:

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BLX/IWtRX5v7-The-Bitcoin-Phoenix-is-rising/

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Based on the identified fractal pattern, I’m not expecting the SegWit donations restoration defense mechanism (aka “attack”) to begin until November 2020.

Which for reasons I elaborate below, I expect said “attack” to coincide with a precipitous rise in the BTC valuation which may give rise to 1988 Economist Magazine’s forecast of the Phoenix monetary reset:

Legacy Bitcoin Rises Surreptitiously as the Reserve in a new Two-tier Monetary System; whilst impostor Bitcoin Core Dies

Tangentially it’s a posited (monetary, economic and technological paradigmatic) totalitarian, globalist reset which as we were warned (c.f. also and also) ostensibly Satan’s powers-that-be (e.g. it’s minions Bill Gates and George Soros) are foisting onto the world with the unstoppable, encroaching coronavirus plaNdemic hoax.

My above linked blog cites Craig Wright’s update from February 2020 wherein Craig implied that my posited interpretation for a donations attack would begin sometime this year.

My above linked Tradingview chart’s newly identified fractal, topological pattern (deterministically chaotic, fractal wave interference fundamentally driven by the changing economics of mining) derives from and continues my thought process (from my subsequent blogs) of improving upon some conceptual ideas I had blogged about months ago:

McAfee’s Dick Math: illuminating Bitcoin’s ACCELERATING price

Bitcoin’s Fractal Acceleration Entire History

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Bitcoin Fractal Projects an Infinite Price

Legacy Bitcoin to radically outperform gold

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Bitcoin’s Whiplash Spike Low is Even More Bullish

Bitcoin’s Whiplash Bear Trap

End of democracy and a Civil COLD War approaches

Facebook’s Libra + Bitcoin + Trump + Israel = 666 Orwellian Dystopia

Rise of Hard Money is a Harbinger of Misery

Insane Clusterfuck of the Collapse of Rule-of-law, Eventually to Imprison Most Westerners

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Now we can see all my past warnings are coming to fruition. That includes my seminal warnings from 2013:

Bitcoin: The Digital Kill Switch

Economic Devastation: Demise of Finance, Rise of Knowledge

Which even Bill Still (and others in and outside the gold bug community) cited in 2013:

https://www.facebook.com/134596416691780/posts/shelby-moore-is-a-programmer-with-expert-knowledge-of-the-construction-of-bitcoi/174998752651546/

In addition to the fractal pattern timing for the next parabolic rise in the BTC price, it seems to me that it’s in the interest of the anonymous Bitcoin whales who were likely involved in the creation of Bitcoin, to idle the BTC price at low enough prices long enough such that they can mop up all pre-7nm ASICS (e.g. Bitmain S9s) at firesale prices before catapulting the price so high that S9s become insanely profitable again:

Precisely Why Bitcoin Is Re-accelerating

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Not because they necessarily need the hashrate those S9s can provide when reactivated, but because the entire design of Bitcoin is to raise the valuation of Bitcoin (eventually to the world’s master-and-servant reserve currency in a two-tiered monetary system) without creating competing $billionaires and $trillionaires. They don’t want some smaller $millionaires fish speculating and obtaining S9s cheaply before they skyrocket the price because the bullish leverage on an out-of-money ASIC right before an egregious BTC price pump is incredibly high. Instead they want smaller fish to buy in-the-money 7nm ASICS so they will be slaughtered as usual by Moore’s law and other economies-of-scale and volatility of mining (along with the impeding Mother of All Crises Greater Depression which will drive the upcoming monetary reset 2024 – 2028).

Also I think they would prefer to execute the “attack” to create chaos around the time or just after the upcoming contentious November 2020 constitutional crisis and re-election of POTUS Donald Trump, as well as during an re-intensified lockdown (wherein no one will be allowed to leave their homes for any reason and the gestapo will forcibly remove people from homes to take them to FEMA quarantine camps) as the hoax virus (which is really just the normal flu) returns next flu season.

However it’s possible that the March crash or combined with another month or so until and still under $15k, would be sufficient to mop up most of the S9s. But I doubt it. There are still many bullish minnows who don’t want to dump their S9s just yet. The powers-that-be need to squeeze them with an economic depression to force them to liquidate.

I did this week also independently arrive at a posited fractal pattern expectation for $14k by June 2020, which Cointelegraph has also subsequently contemplated:

Bitcoin Price Chart Fractal Seen in 2019 Hints at $14K Within Months

So the SegWit donations attack could still be in play for as early as June 2020, but it doesn’t seem to ideally align with the timing projections from the fractal pattern correspondence (i.e. Bitcoin’s chart topology) and other fundamental economic considerations.

As cited in the OP of this thread and the said recent Cointelegraph article, Craig Wright warned in 2018, “The sale will align to a reward halving.” The word ‘align’ does not have the same meaning as ‘coincide’:

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put (things) into correct or appropriate relative positions.
"the fan blades are carefully aligned"
lie in a straight line, or in correct relative positions.

The the sale could occur at any time that “aligns” in a correct relative position with the halving — not necessarily coinciding with the day, week or month of the halving itself.

If the posited SegWit donations attack were underway now we should see Craig Wright moving his claimed ~million BTC (the airdropped Bitcoin Core isolated from his private legacy Bitcoin fork which he would later publish) onto to a liquid exchange (or exchanges) to prepare to dump them. Yet that appears to not be happening:

$200M Worth of BTC Removed From Exchanges Post-Halving
legendary
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March 01, 2020, 01:19:41 PM
I noticed that Shelby's still peddling the same hypothesis...

He has an updated blog post: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@anonymint/bitcoin-s-fractal-acceleration-entire-history

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legendary
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February 26, 2022, 07:59:35 AM

Thx. Shelby is good in debunking complex stuff

But tell him pls to distinguish strictly between real world and models we try to cast from it. Fist is math.

Then economics and game theory

In real world there is no equilibrium, also nothing sustainable like a Nash equilibrium

Proof: if there is equilibrium, nothing more will change, it is called death

Better model is Stackelberg. But again- a poor model

For Bitcoin it is the same, there is a perfect model of the stable true Bitcoin, but there is only one real live instance running of it - not perfect, not in Nash equilibrium, but living

Hope that helps
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legendary
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May 20, 2020, 03:30:02 AM
Child prodigy theoretical physicist Luboš Motl engaged AnonyMint in discussion on Quora about the future of Bitcoin. The discussion began here:

http://archive.is/https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-for-Bitcoin-to-completely-shut-down/answer/Lubo%C5%A1-Motl/comment/95846451

Here was AnonyMint’s latest reply:

Thanks for engaging in discussion.

I presume you grok topology, deterministic chaos theory and the underlying fractal basis of nature more deeply than I do.

Finally We May Have a Path to the Fundamental Theory of Physics…  and It’s Beautiful—Stephen Wolfram Writings

Note Wolfram admits his theory isn’t falsifiable, but that’s because a universal T.O.E. must model the multiverse.

I’ll refer to a historical log chart for BTC/USD with my annotations:

Long term advance notice!

That chart is telling us that Bitcoin will go to $1 million by 2021/22, yet how is it at this time of increasing leftist government totalitarianism (i.e. the corona virus plaNdemic hoax) that Bitcoin becomes a safe haven?

The hypothetical explanation in the above linked post. It’s necessary to understand what imparts the valuation to Bitcoin per the blogs I’ve linked from the above linked post. Oh yeah for sure most of the Bitcoins are going to be sequestered by the governments sending the valuation of those which are not sequestered to the moon. You’re ostensibly not aware of all the requisite details. There are two types of Bitcoins: Core and legacy. Core Bitcoins have an address that begins with `3` or `bc1`; whereas, legacy Bitcoins start with a `1`. There will be a bifurcation that becomes acute perhaps by November and ultimately nobody is going to accept the Bitcoins which were recovered as “stolen” donations:

Our Bitcoins Will Be Taken/Frozen By the Miners; Involuntary INCOME Tax on Frozen Bitcoin!

Indeed the government does sometimes confiscate wealth. And this Darwinism produces the globalist elite who manipulate the governments (in order to protect their wealth). Yet this phenomenon unfortunately also opens the door for psychopath[1] $billionaires to REKT the entire economy as a certain one which I will not name is doing now. Note that the collective resource is a power vacuum that requires it be managed by power:

Some Iron Laws of Political Economics

You were a child prodigy theoretical physicist. You’ve got more raw, mental processing power than I do. But the devil is in the details. You need to open your mind and learn more about what you don’t know. The smartest individuals are humbled by how much they don’t know.

[1] The correct term is not sociopath.

with this part , I fear old Shelby's coming back to sanity, cause that is pretty much correctly analysed

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Craig Wright recently warned that global coordination such as via the intergovernmental global agency Financial Action Task Force (FATF) will force the miners to freeze Bitcoins which were involved in crime. Craig made the very specific prediction that the Bitcoin of Chinese fentanyl dealers to be frozen in 2020. In August of this year Trump’s administration announced that Chinese drug lords are using Bitcoin. Remember China wants a trade deal and their help with impeding the flow of fentanyl to the USA is one of Trump’s demands.

They will destroy us both with income taxes for the involuntary airdrop, the inability to spend after the attack because blocks will be full of donated SegWit tokens, and then later the FATF will declare that all SegWit lineage coins must be frozen because they possibly were involved in off-chain Lightning Networks (LN) crap which is not fully traceable! Ah fuck! Why did I not think of that. Now I totally understand what Craig has been warning[foaming at the mouth] about.

Miners / their corporations have grown such that regulators kick in - the raspi no2x army has lost that hash-war (lol - cause they have 0-PoW) and miners must comply with rules incl AML / travel rules .... so they getting towards payment processors (regged - like TAAL
 or REKT by govs / economics).

sure - all the criminals / anonymous do not like that - but who likes them?
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May 19, 2020, 08:20:37 PM
Child prodigy theoretical physicist Luboš Motl engaged AnonyMint in discussion on Quora about the future of Bitcoin. The discussion began here:

http://archive.is/https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-for-Bitcoin-to-completely-shut-down/answer/Lubo%C5%A1-Motl/comment/95846451

Here was AnonyMint’s latest reply:

Thanks for engaging in discussion.

I presume you grok topology, deterministic chaos theory and the underlying fractal basis of nature more deeply than I do.

Finally We May Have a Path to the Fundamental Theory of Physics…  and It’s Beautiful—Stephen Wolfram Writings

Note Wolfram admits his theory isn’t falsifiable, but that’s because a universal T.O.E. must model the multiverse.

I’ll refer to a historical log chart for BTC/USD with my annotations:

Long term advance notice!

That chart is telling us that Bitcoin will go to $1 million by 2021/22, yet how is it at this time of increasing leftist government totalitarianism (i.e. the corona virus plaNdemic hoax) that Bitcoin becomes a safe haven?

The hypothetical explanation in the above linked post. It’s necessary to understand what imparts the valuation to Bitcoin per the blogs I’ve linked from the above linked post. Oh yeah for sure most of the Bitcoins are going to be sequestered by the governments sending the valuation of those which are not sequestered to the moon. You’re ostensibly not aware of all the requisite details. There are two types of Bitcoins: Core and legacy. Core Bitcoins have an address that begins with `3` or `bc1`; whereas, legacy Bitcoins start with a `1`. There will be a bifurcation that becomes acute perhaps by November and ultimately nobody is going to accept the Bitcoins which were recovered as “stolen” donations:

Our Bitcoins Will Be Taken/Frozen By the Miners; Involuntary INCOME Tax on Frozen Bitcoin!

Indeed the government does sometimes confiscate wealth. And this Darwinism produces the globalist elite who manipulate the governments (in order to protect their wealth). Yet this phenomenon unfortunately also opens the door for psychopath[1] $billionaires to REKT the entire economy as a certain one which I will not name is doing now. Note that the collective resource is a power vacuum that requires it be managed by power:

Some Iron Laws of Political Economics

You were a child prodigy theoretical physicist. You’ve got more raw, mental processing power than I do. But the devil is in the details. You need to open your mind and learn more about what you don’t know. The smartest individuals are humbled by how much they don’t know.

[1] The correct term is not sociopath.
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May 13, 2020, 02:34:46 AM
This 2018 post will be entertaining when it happens.

Capital C for capitalism. BitCoin.


Epic fail.

Failtoshi.
legendary
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March 01, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
I noticed the Shelby's still peddling the same hypothesis...

Still dribbling about 'legacy' Bitcoin and now he's even snuck in a quote from everyone's favourite Australian impersonator. He needs to score some fresh goals to give that cred a top up. However I'm not so sure he scored any the first time round either.
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November 30, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
I decided to increase my BSV holdings by 10%, just in case the tulip trust turns out to be true. If some 2010 Satoshi coins move after Jan 1 there will be a major realignment in favour of BSV as previoùs sceptics change their mind. BSV followers won't dump if nothing happens, they are already rusted on for big blocks, so topping up BSV now is an asymmetric bet.
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November 24, 2019, 12:07:41 PM
OK, this is without a doubt the FINAL time I'll be relaying a message on this forum from Shelby. If I am tempted to in future (including any additions) I promise to change my password to randomised characters so I'll be locked out for good, otherwise my word is meaningless. So here you go for the last time:

What is the solution for BTC holders? Should we sell to fiat at halving and then buy back into legacy BTC after a fork has happened? Is there any way around this issue IF it happened?

Because of destructive censorship (c.f. also), this is absolutely the final post written by me which is granted my permission to be shared on BCTalk. I felt obligated to reply because otherwise you’d not have a concise and clear summary of possible countermeasures. I will hopefully converse with you guys again at a decentralized forum (that runs on a truly decentralized blockchain) in the future. In the meantime, you can find updates from me on my Steemit, Busy, Medium, Twitter, and Protonmail accounts. Direct future questions to those non-BCTalk accounts, else you will not receive a reply from me:


As a consequence of my recent epiphany, just hodling in legacy addresses that start with a 1 is no longer sufficient. My stratagem is sell what I will forever need in fiat from cryptocosm capital gains, some days or weeks before the halving (before Craig has initiated his private legacy chain so as to avoid the posited implicit income taxation) iff (if and only if) the price is significantly above $20k (which will be the indicator that the SegWit attack is proceeding or not. c.f. also), and hodl the rest (in minimum of 1 BTC outputs, because transaction fees will rise so much after the posited SegWit attack, if it occurs) to exchange it at $1 million valuations (in the future after the dust settles, c.f. also) anonymously on an anonymous decentralized exchange for a truly anonymous altcoin. You will likely never again be able to convert that crypto to fiat (c.f. also). It will have to stay in the dark economy that will presumably grow as the coming global financial and monetary crisis foists radical totalitarianism on the world, c.f. also. That’s the only option I can find so far. If the authorities know you had that Bitcoin, then perhaps try to claim the private keys were stolen.

Disclaimer: none of this is investment nor legal advice. Do your own independent due diligence. I’m not a professional adviser, and this is only for your entertainment. Consult your own professional advisers. I am not advising you to break the law nor “the illusion of the rule-of-law”. Red-pill or blue-pill, or puke-green-fuckitall-pill, it’s your choice. Gold, bullets, booze, hookers, ephebophilia, Lambos, cocaine, confession and religion are optional.

Of course this entire thread (and all linked blogs and comment posts) are archived at archive.is and archive.org.

P.S. I posted a Medium comment about the timing and all:


Indeed your blog Why Bitcoin and Crypto Have No Future is an excellent, enumerated description of why the cryptocosm is building to the crescendo of the analogous turn-of-the-century dot.com mania bubble top. Mainstreet and Wallstreet are being onboarded for the slaughter with for example Bakkt. And the incipient nosebleed top for Bitcoin to likely come in 2020/21 at over $1 million, yet if my understanding is correct, then most Bitcoin hodlers will lose all their Bitcoins in SegWit donations to the legacy miners before they can cash out. Yet I posit the coming crash will be due to a threat that is quite different than is widely expected or known. And the future Amazon, eBay, Priceline, Paypal, etc. will be built during coming posited implosion of the cryptocosm, because if posited correctly then the underlying legacy Bitcoin will survive, although the Core Bitcoin (an impostor soft-fork) which everyone incorrectly thinks is Bitcoin will perish when forced to fork-off. The full details are contained in the "Long-term advance notice" discussion thread at the Bitcointalk forum.


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November 21, 2019, 01:45:22 AM
What is the solution for BTC holders? Should we sell to fiat at halving and then buy back into legacy BTC after a fork has happened? Is there any way around this issue IF it happened?
legendary
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November 20, 2019, 05:54:40 PM
Another halving...another idiot proclaiming that at the halving the blocks will not be mined.

Even as shitty as the bcash startup was on the fork with blocks hardly ever being mined for the first month or so...the difficulty eventually adjusted and they have their small mining operation keeping things going.

See: November 2012 scare
See: July 2016 terror
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November 18, 2019, 11:10:11 PM
Relaying the final reply:

The airdrop is akin to a "gift". The IRS tends to hold the gift giver responsible for paying any tax owed. So if Craig Wright forks Bitcoin in such a way that it initially has value upon being airdropped, he will be liable for tax payments to the IRS of the sum of all bitcoins in existence times the price.

Who pays the gift tax? The donor is generally responsible for paying the gift tax.

So it's on him to hope that when he gifts the coins, they are worth zero.

Incorrect theory. The IRS has already stated on their FAQ that the airdrops are not gifts and instead are income.

The reason is because there’s no donor to pay the gift tax. And there’s no individual discretion nor individual control involved in creating the airdrops. The blockchain which is making the gifts (via the miners who choose to mine the new protocol) is a decentralized entity. The creator of the protocol can’t force the miners to mine, and thus has no control over the assignment of the gifts. The individual miners have no control nor discretion over the rules of the protocol, they have to either mine it or not mine it collectively. Note in the case of proof-of-stake which can be provably shown to be controlled by a coordinated oligarchy, then indeed there would be individual control and thus it would be gift and that oligarchy would be liable for the gift tax!

It is explained this way:


Because they are legally required to give you the prizes you've won—if, of course, you're that lucky—just like your employer is legally required to give you your wages when you work for them. (There are exceptions if you voluntarily forfeit the prizes for some reason, and the taxes you would have to pay are in fact a common reason, but the basic idea is the same.) A gift implies the lack of legal obligation for the giver to have given you anything at all and they're doing it only because they're nice people or it's a special occasion like Christmas or your birthday.

And note that giving away the airdrops (or burning them to a non-spendable address):

One way you can get out of paying taxes on your game show winnings is by gifting them to friends and family members. According to IRS rules, you are eligible to gift up to $14,000 per year to as many individuals as you want.

Although you won’t be able to keep the money for yourself, it’s a great way to share your earnings with your family and avoid paying taxes on that portion of your game show winnings.

Will not absolve the income tax liability because the value of what you donate (by the time you can transfer the airdropped Core shitcoins you received) will be much lower by the time you can donate them and you may never be able to transfer them because as the attack begins Core blockchain will slow down to perhaps one new block every week or month thus backlogging the mempool and your transaction never getting into a block ever again:

You include the value of a prize won in your income. If you itemize deductions, you deduct the value of the prize won on Schedule A. Depending on the size of your prize and your other itemized deductions, you could wind up with zero net taxable income by donating a prize won to charity.

The evil powers-that-be who created Bitcoin and this trap thought it out very well. They closed all the means of escape.
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November 18, 2019, 05:30:33 PM
The airdrop is akin to a "gift". The IRS tends to hold the gift giver responsible for paying any tax owed. So if Craig Wright forks Bitcoin in such a way that it initially has value upon being airdropped, he will be liable for tax payments to the IRS of the sum of all bitcoins in existence times the price.

Who pays the gift tax? The donor is generally responsible for paying the gift tax.

So it's on him to hope that when he gifts the coins, they are worth zero.
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November 18, 2019, 01:44:52 PM
Relaying another message:

And thus according to the IRS, those who automatically received this diabolical “free” airdrop owe income tax at the market value on the free Core tokens airdrop at the time of the said timestamp. The market value will be whatever nosebleed BTC price before Craig starts his posited (and warned) SegWit donations “attack”

Upon receipt of any forked coin the forked coin is initially valued at zero. You assume that you have been gifted a zero value token. When you finally sell or exchange that token for something of value you then compare the gifted value (zero) with the value of what you receive upon exchange/sale and you then pay capital gains at that time.

It is akin to receiving a baseball card of little to no value as a gift. But then after 10 years that baseball card is now worth $1 million. You must now pay capital gains on $1 million worth of gains. If you hold that baseball card until your dying days, even though it has a lot of value, you would never need to pay any tax on it.

A tax expert disagrees with your opinion:

“This can happen when coins hit a high water mark of price discovery right after the airdrop event and the heavy selling could sink the price to a level from which is never recovers,” he said.

The IRS says the “fair market value” at the time of the fork event as recorded on the blockchain:

Q23.  How do I calculate my income from cryptocurrency I received following a hard fork?
 
A23.  When you receive cryptocurrency from an airdrop following a hard fork, you will have ordinary income equal to the fair market value of the new cryptocurrency when it is received, which is when the transaction is recorded on the distributed ledger, provided you have dominion and control over the cryptocurrency so that you can transfer, sell, exchange, or otherwise dispose of the cryptocurrency.

[…]

A24.  If you receive cryptocurrency from an airdrop following a hard fork, your basis in that cryptocurrency is equal to […] the fair market value of the cryptocurrency when you received it.  You have received the cryptocurrency when you can transfer, sell, exchange, or otherwise dispose of it, which is generally the date and time the airdrop is recorded on the distributed ledger.

When a taxpayer receives property that is not purchased, unless otherwise provided in the Code, the taxpayer’s basis in the property received is determined by reference to the amount included in gross income, which is the fair
market value of the property when the property is received.

The IRS says that fair market value is the published price on indices aka basket of exchange prices:

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A26.  If you receive cryptocurrency in a peer-to-peer transaction or some other transaction not facilitated by a cryptocurrency exchange, the fair market value of the cryptocurrency is determined as of the date and time the transaction is recorded on the distributed ledger, or would have been recorded on the ledger if it had been an on-chain transaction.  The IRS will accept as evidence of fair market value the value as determined by a cryptocurrency or blockchain explorer that analyzes worldwide indices of a cryptocurrency and calculates the value of the cryptocurrency at an exact date and time.  If you do not use an explorer value, you must establish that the value you used is an accurate representation of the cryptocurrency’s fair market value.

The IRS says that if there’s no exchange markets for the token, then the reasonable fair market value applies:

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Q27.  I received cryptocurrency that does not have a published value in exchange for property or services.  How do I determine the cryptocurrency’s fair market value?
 
A27.  When you receive cryptocurrency in exchange for property or services, and that cryptocurrency is not traded on any cryptocurrency exchange and does not have a published value, then the fair market value of the cryptocurrency received is equal to the fair market value of the property or services exchanged for the cryptocurrency when the transaction occurs.

There has been no major forked airdrop token that was trading at $0 the instant it appeared on an exchange. So the IRS will never agree that the fair market value is $0. When BCH forked off from Bitcoin, the value of BCH was the first exchange prices recorded for the token.

When Core forks off from Bitcoin, then since Bitcoin Core is currently the official Bitcoin, then the exchange price of BTC will apply at the moment of the fork. This is likely why the powers-that-be which created Bitcoin and this diabolical 666 plan for it, also funded Blockstream. You go research the banksters who provided the funding for Blockstream aka Core. Educate yourself son.

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November 18, 2019, 12:50:51 PM
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And thus according to the IRS, those who automatically received this diabolical “free” airdrop owe income tax at the market value on the free Core tokens airdrop at the time of the said timestamp. The market value will be whatever nosebleed BTC price before Craig starts his posited (and warned) SegWit donations “attack”

Upon receipt of any forked coin the forked coin is initially valued at zero. You assume that you have been gifted a zero value token. When you finally sell or exchange that token for something of value you then compare the gifted value (zero) with the value of what you receive upon exchange/sale and you then pay capital gains at that time.

It is akin to receiving a baseball card of little to no value as a gift. But then after 10 years that baseball card is now worth $1 million. You must now pay capital gains on $1 million worth of gains. If you hold that baseball card until your dying days, even though it has a lot of value, you would never need to pay any tax on it.
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November 18, 2019, 02:41:17 AM
Relaying another message:

3.   SegWit addresses (both types) won 33% of the 100 blocks examined

This data is rather meaningless, because:

1. The miners which unbeknownst to us at this time will ultimately be aligned with Craig Wright at the initial stage of the warned SegWit donations taking attack, will be able to steal their SegWit tokens back to themselves.

2. Miners typically sell BTC to buy more mining equipment and pay electric bills, so they do not plan to be hodling much BTC at any given time (of a posited attack).




According to new IRS rulemaking, coins are received when they are manifest on the blockchain. Don’t move your coins to the new blockchain, ergo you have not received them, ergo no tax due.

Unless of course you want to claim them. That’s a problem of your own making.

I’m amazed that you don’t comprehend how a hard fork airdrop works.

I know perfectly well how a hardfork airdrop works, tyvm.

I'm amazed you are seemingly relying upon colloquial definitions of words, in the context where the IRS has very specifically defined them. Have you read the actual ruling? https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rr-19-24.pdf

"A hard fork occurs when a cryptocurrency undergoes a protocol change resulting in a permanent diversion from the legacy distributed ledger.  This may result in the creation of a new cryptocurrency on a new distributed ledger in addition to the legacy cryptocurrency on the legacy distributed ledger.  If your cryptocurrency went through a hard fork, but you did not receive any new cryptocurrency, whether through an airdrop (a distribution of cryptocurrency to multiple taxpayers’ distributed ledger addresses) or some other kind of transfer, you don’t have taxable income." (from the associated IRS FAQ, emphasis added)

The IRS clearly states the conditions by which we will have been deemed to have received the airdrop. The timing is when the hard fork occurs as recorded on the blockchain. A hard fork duplicates the UTXO into two orthogonal ledgers. And since you already hodl the private key that can sign for those tokens on both of the said orthogonal ledgers (instantly after the fork), then you have instantly and automatically received the new cryptocurrency due to the hard fork without any action required on your part. Sorry man, but you’re fucked. The powers-that-be are going to destroy you and take all your crypto wealth. Prepare yourself to live in poverty along with everyone else.

Resolving a long-standing question, the guidance says new cryptocurrencies created from a fork of an existing blockchain should be treated as “an ordinary income equal to the fair market value of the new cryptocurrency when it is received.”

In other words, tax liabilities will apply when the new cryptocurrencies are recorded on a blockchain – if a taxpayer actually has control over the coins and can spend them.

A23.  When you receive cryptocurrency from an airdrop following a hard fork, you will have ordinary income equal to the fair market value of the new cryptocurrency when it is received, which is when the transaction is recorded on the distributed ledger, provided you have dominion and control over the cryptocurrency so that you can transfer, sell, exchange, or otherwise dispose of the cryptocurrency.

A24.  If you receive cryptocurrency from an airdrop following a hard fork […] You have received the cryptocurrency when you can transfer, sell, exchange, or otherwise dispose of it, which is generally the date and time the airdrop is recorded on the distributed ledger.

Here follows a tax expert explains it to you like you are 5 years old:

“One unfortunate consequence of this guidance is that third parties can now create tax reporting obligations for you by simply forking a network whose coins you own, or foisting on you an unwanted airdrop.”

Individuals would be assessed income when they receive the asset, Hinkes said.

Receipt is defined by ‘dominion and control’ … so it’s ability to transfer, sell, exchange or dispose of the asset according to this guidance,” he said. “The fear is that someone maliciously airdrops and tags you with a giant liability. But [this] fear is a bit oversold because you would only be liable for new income based on the fair market value of the asset when received, and most forks don’t start out with a high valuation.”

Phillips said it was possible that an individual with an ethereum wallet, for example, could receive an ERC-20 token from an airdrop without realizing it. Depending on how the token’s value fluctuates, this may result in them having to pay income tax on an asset that was worth more when they received it than when they sell the asset.

“This can happen when coins hit a high water mark of price discovery right after the airdrop event and the heavy selling could sink the price to a level from which is never recovers,” he said.

Here it is quoted directly from the new IRS guidance:

A hard fork is unique to distributed ledger technology and occurs when a
cryptocurrency on a distributed ledger undergoes a protocol change resulting in a
permanent diversion from the legacy or existing distributed ledger. A hard fork may
result in the creation of a new cryptocurrency on a new distributed ledger in addition to
the legacy cryptocurrency on the legacy distributed ledger
. Following a hard fork,
transactions involving the new cryptocurrency are recorded on the new distributed
ledger and transactions involving the legacy cryptocurrency continue to be recorded on
the legacy distributed ledger.

An airdrop is a means of distributing units of a cryptocurrency to the distributed
ledger addresses of multiple taxpayers. A hard fork followed by an airdrop results in the
distribution of units of the new cryptocurrency to addresses containing the legacy
cryptocurrency
. However, a hard fork is not always followed by an airdrop.
Cryptocurrency from an airdrop generally is received on the date and at the time
it is recorded on the distributed ledger
. However, a taxpayer may constructively receive
cryptocurrency prior to the airdrop being recorded on the distributed ledger. A taxpayer
does not have receipt of cryptocurrency when the airdrop is recorded on the distributed
ledger if the taxpayer is not able to exercise dominion and control over the
cryptocurrency. For example, a taxpayer does not have dominion and control if the
address to which the cryptocurrency is airdropped is contained in a wallet managed
through a cryptocurrency exchange and the cryptocurrency exchange does not support
the newly-created cryptocurrency such that the airdropped cryptocurrency is not
immediately credited to the taxpayer’s account at the cryptocurrency exchange
. If the
taxpayer later acquires the ability to transfer, sell, exchange, or otherwise dispose of the
cryptocurrency, the taxpayer is treated as receiving the cryptocurrency at that time.

Possessing the private key to sign for the new duplicated, airdropped tokens is precisely “dominion and control”.

Come on man. I hope you can read.

The case the IRS is referring to when tokens are not airdropped is when the new forked ledger does not (or not immediately) duplicate all of the UTXO of the legacy ledger. IOW, if the new fork’s protocol does not allow for your private key “dominion and control” then you would not have received airdropped tokens into your private/public key “account”. Clearly that exception will not be the case with the coming hard fork-off of Core when the legacy miners violate the Core protocol by taking the SegWit tokens as ‘anyone can spend” donations. Also that exception was not the case when BCH forked off from Bitcoin, nor when BSV forked off from BCH. All of these hard forks have been instant and automatic airdrops with income tax accrued to all of us fools.

Many of us already have tax obligations that we have thusly not correctly reported yet. The future penalties and fees are accumulating now as we speak.

legendary
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November 17, 2019, 09:29:51 PM
According to new IRS rulemaking, coins are received when they are manifest on the blockchain. Don’t move your coins to the new blockchain, ergo you have not received them, ergo no tax due.

Unless of course you want to claim them. That’s a problem of your own making.

I’m amazed that you don’t comprehend how a hard fork airdrop works.

I know perfectly well how a hardfork airdrop works, tyvm.

I'm amazed you are seemingly relying upon colloquial definitions of words, in the context where the IRS has very specifically defined them. Have you read the actual ruling? https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rr-19-24.pdf

"A hard fork occurs when a cryptocurrency undergoes a protocol change resulting in a permanent diversion from the legacy distributed ledger.  This may result in the creation of a new cryptocurrency on a new distributed ledger in addition to the legacy cryptocurrency on the legacy distributed ledger.  If your cryptocurrency went through a hard fork, but you did not receive any new cryptocurrency, whether through an airdrop (a distribution of cryptocurrency to multiple taxpayers’ distributed ledger addresses) or some other kind of transfer, you don’t have taxable income." (from the associated IRS FAQ, emphasis added)
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Address Types of BTC Block Winners (Blocks 604143 – 604242, n = 100)


(Please excuse poor formatting, I'll try another way in another post soon)
                                        
Pool Name                 Address               Blocks Won      

F2Pool                    1KFHE7...          21              
BTC.com                    bc1q18...          15              
AntPool                    12dRug...          12              
Poolin “1” wallet                 1MUz4V...          11              
Poolin “3” wallet                 3HqH1q...            6      
SlushPool                         11CK6K...            6              
ViaBTC                    18cBEM...            5            
Unknown “1” (THash & 58COIN)   147SwR...            4                 
Unknown “4.1” (Huobi)      1C81BG...            4
Unknown “4.2” (Huobi)      1MvYAS...            2
Unknown “5” (okpool.top)      3DNPFX...            3
Unknown “6”                  3QLeXx...            3
Unknown “2” (Spiderpool)      38u1sr...            2
Unknown “7” (bytepool)      39m5Wv...            2
Unknown “3” (BitFury)      3KF9nX...            2              
BTC.TOP                    1Hz96k...            1              
Unknown “8”                 14eygc...            1

Total:                                   100 blocks won


Data looks better here at this Google Drive Link:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pLWVImy9E8O9A3yY4RcwkL-HZeiAFTcSudu8oTpk90I/edit?usp=sharing


Notes:

1.   Information on some “Unknowns” from blockchair.com (OP-RETURN info?, from blockchair.com)
2.   There are SIX unique SegWit (addresses) and ONE SegWit Native (address) above, addresses in purple
3.   SegWit addresses (both types) won 33% of the 100 blocks examined
4.   Note Poolin and Huobi have different addresses winning blocks…
5.   Percent blocks won last 24 hours do not add to 100%, probably due to different block winners…
6.   Data from blockchain.info and blockchair.com, and are blocks won approx. midday 17 Nov 2019 (ET)
7.   It might be worthwhile to see if any of the SegWit addresses of miners change as May 2020 gets closer…


17 Nov 2019





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