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June 10, 2021, 02:43:21 AM
#49
Once I read the replies of a thread, I'll ignore most of the users that participate on a low-paying signature campaign, by the thought that they are shit posters.

That's a bad mentality, sorry don't mean to be personal but you cannot judge someone based on their signature and its payment.

I judge people based on what they post and then I see their signature (sometimes, not always) so I don't know how you judge before reading. But I can't blame you either because most of the low-paying campaigns are hiring shit posters.

You may read English and posting manner here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57033865

The guy represents ChipMixer, one of the highest paying campaigns and he doesn't even write in English that one would classify as a secondary language, let alone native.

NOTE: Make no mistake, I never judge people based on English because it's a language not the measure of one's ability. But to put things into perspective, not everyone from a top signature campaign represents quality.


legendary
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June 09, 2021, 06:33:26 PM
#48
I remember reading a post by someone a long time ago who talked about the benefits of signature campaigns. He was advertising a company and had a referral link in his sig. After a while, he checked his stats and noticed only 1 or 2 clicks. Campaign-wide, it wasn't any better with the other participants.
I wasn't aware you could check on how many clicks you've had on your signature--not that I'd really check, because it doesn't really concern me.  I don't know what campaign that guy you were referring to was in, but I suppose some of them just don't generate a lot of clicks, whether that's because the project has a bad reputation or doesn't have an attractive banner or whatever.

I can't imagine sig campaigns are completely useless for the project/company that runs them, else they wouldn't do it, especially not the longer-running ones like Chipmixer, 777Coin, and Yobit and secondstrade some years ago.  If they're run by people with some actual business sense, they'd be analyzing how much revenue their advertising brings in and whether it's worth it to run a signature campaign.
legendary
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duelbits.com
June 09, 2021, 05:51:20 PM
#47
Being paid to post is really a motivation, I knew a lot of good posters who joined a high-paying signature campaign
It is like a mood booster or motivation. That's also a reason to maintain the quality of our post. On some signature campaigns, you may be removed if your posts cannot fulfill the requirements or not quality enough. There are a lot of members who can replace you if you cannot maintain your quality posts. So, this becomes one of the reasons for you to always keep post quality. I think it is a good side impact for signature campaign participants.
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Spear the bees
I am late here. However, I don't hide the signature of the forum. My personal view is, companies paying us for wearing signature, means they expecting few impressions from the forum where real crypto users engaging crypto-related discussions. So, if I hide signature mean other campaign's signature banner will not show to me and they wouldn't get impressions from me. But I am wearing one and I am expecting impressions as well. It's kind of selfish IMO.
Taken as a don't bite the hand that feeds strategy perhaps. An economy of services requires multiple parties for an exchange, after all.

Though considering the number of guest users is a magnitude higher than that of the logged-in users and that you can expect a large chunk of the latter to be the sig-spam type, unless you are a prospective whale client, the impact of you hiding signatures is equivalent to simply skimming over the ad as most are apt to do. I'm sure you don't notice half of the signatures when you are reading through a thread: it should be analogous to forgetting passing faces on the street.
legendary
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I am late here. However, I don't hide the signature of the forum. My personal view is, companies paying us for wearing signature, means they expecting few impressions from the forum where real crypto users engaging crypto-related discussions. So, if I hide signature mean other campaign's signature banner will not show to me and they wouldn't get impressions from me. But I am wearing one and I am expecting impressions as well. It's kind of selfish IMO.

During reading posts, it doesn't matter the poster wearing a high-paying campaign or low paying campaign. Low paying campaign always doesn't mean simply there is all spammer. Although I admit most of the spammer, but not at all. Their opinions would be valuable for the community. Once I feel this is a spam reply, then I just simply skip to the next reply. During reading a line enough to determine either post is good or spam. To be honest and a major part of signature participants do not read all the replies. I am not excluding myself, sometimes we reply based on the main post.
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Websites advertised in the signatures actually do not get better SEO rankings because theymos put the rel=nofollow tag in the Signature html box (in other words - this linked page should not be crawled by Google and so it has no effect on its ranking).
I don't see the no-follow tag you are talking about. I'm not sure if the UGC (user-generated content) tag transfers link juice or not, but at least it's not no-follow Smiley



More than 100k (I manually checked 3-4 of them and they were do-follow, ahrefs says 60% of these 110k are do-follow and the rest are no-follow) from around 150k overall backlinks that ChipMixer.com has are from Bitcointalk.

They actually do not care about that as long as they do not compete for their SERPs (but honestly they should, there are very valuable keywords out there like "crypto mixer", "bitcoin mixer", "best bitcoin mixer", etc. that are taken by some low authority sites. If ChipMixer had some more content (and a few hundred keyword anchor backlinks) or maybe a blog on their site, they could have easily ranked 1 by these keywords because of these 110k backlinks from Bttalk).
legendary
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I bet you that those signatures do get clicked on, though I have no idea at what rate.  Somehow it's hard to imagine signature campaigns going on this long if there was no benefit to the businesses that ran them. 
I remember reading a post by someone a long time ago who talked about the benefits of signature campaigns. He was advertising a company and had a referral link in his sig. After a while, he checked his stats and noticed only 1 or 2 clicks. Campaign-wide, it wasn't any better with the other participants. But the campaign still kept going.

Naturally, he started wondering how can that be beneficial to the company if they aren't getting any clicks? I don't remember exactly if someone told him or he came to the conclusion himself. But even though, many people don't click on the signatures, they remember them. Somewhere back in their mind, they'll memorize it. The next time they want to gamble (since that is the most advertised service here), they'll ask themselves what was the name of that casino I saw in that colorful signature on Bicointalk? And boom, they remember it and navigate to the site. That's one way that a signature can result in more traffic without actually increasing the clicks count.
legendary
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I bet you that those signatures do get clicked on, though I have no idea at what rate.
Those signatures help A LOT with the search engine optimization (SEO). If your website is linked from another website, it'll increase its SEO performance. The more traffic (higher SEO) the site that links you has, the better it is for your business. Now imagine how good would it be if you'd be linked thousands of times on a place that is ranked #6,787 in global internet engagement. By wearing your signature you have to understand that besides those that will notice it, you're automatically bringing more clients/people to the product outside of bitcointalk.

Websites advertised in the signatures actually do not get better SEO rankings because theymos put the rel=nofollow tag in the Signature html box (in other words - this linked page should not be crawled by Google and so it has no effect on its ranking).
hero member
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Let's be honest, the majority of us here are in the forum because we want to make money, the main attraction is the signature campaign. Shit posters are everywhere, one can be a shitposter even a person not knowing he is, like they said, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", I'm just citing an example though.

Being paid to post is really a motivation, I knew a lot of good posters who joined a high-paying signature campaign, but when they got removed, they lose their interest in posting in the forum, or they are less active.
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I have that same kind of attitude right now specially with 4 digits postings with 2 digit merits. I have been reading in the forum for the last 2 years and im skipping those newbies post without even scanning what they have to say. However, signature camps are making one member to be motivated enough to make good and quality posts.
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45 posts a week is ridiculous and the signature bearer of this campaign are spamming on every posts on the forum to meet up the weekly posts counts.

Make a minimum of 45 eligible posts each week that you participate to receive a payment.

Shit posters cannot represent a brand anyway.
In a perfect world, but some of the campaigns or bounties look like they actually actively target those that are low quality, so they can pay them peanuts, while also getting their brand out there through sheer volume.
I think bounties signature bearer are the ones making every other quality posters representing a brand looks like spammers, and the only solution lies in the hands of the managers and the moderators, the forum should have standard rules when it comes to weekly posts quota.
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
i have sigs turned off forum wide. in fact most all forums im on i disable sigs as they just waste space and most of the time are actually annoying wit those ridiculous colors and fonts etc.

avatars are still on for now as theyre an easy way to find a particulars persons post when scrolling. but any animated avatar get the user ignored instantly.

if i want moving content in my monitor ill turn on the telly. when i read i want static images and sensible fonts etc.
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Signature bearers post > Non-Signature bearer posts
I think the signature campaign has done more good to the forum in terms of post quality than bad,
That entirely depends on your perspective, as I know a lot of older users would prefer the atmosphere back when there was a smaller, more tightly knitted group of users. So, doing more good isn't exactly a good measure, as what I might think is good for the  forum, you might think otherwise. Although, undoubtedly signature campaigns have helped with the growth of the user database, and has likely contributed to the amount of activity here.

I actually quite like we have a sort of sub economy here, even if that is advertising. Something which users usually want to get away from. Although, the difference is I actually do want to see Bitcoin services being advertised, as they are usually better than their centralized fiat alternatives.

Shit posters cannot represent a brand anyway.
In a perfect world, but some of the campaigns or bounties look like they actually actively target those that are low quality, so they can pay them peanuts, while also getting their brand out there through sheer volume.
hero member
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I have been in this forum for 1 year and I've noticed that the main motivation for making high quality posts is the fact that you can get paid out of it. While I'm a strong believer that signature campaigns enrich this forum's quality and that “it keeps it alive”, it is advisable to mention a downside of this procedure and specifically:  The “syndrome” of signature campaigns.

I'll speak out my personal view about this, it may not be true for everyone. Once I read the replies of a thread, I'll ignore most of the users that participate on a low-paying signature campaign, by the thought that they are shit posters. But, that may not be true. I observe a form of prejudice. I'll actually take a closer look to a post made by a high-quality signature campaign participant rather than a newbie.

A user may have thousands of merits, but he/she may create low quality posts. Someone with 4-digits post count and 2-digits merit count would be quickly rejected into your mind, either because he/she may have promoted failed/scam tokens or made shitty posts for pennies. But it's much more different with avatars/signatures. Most of the times, when I scroll a thread I'll skip those replies, without even looking at the merit/post count ratio. It just makes a splash! And that's because along with the avatars/signatures, I will have formed a bad picture of the ones that advertise it.

I wonder if this happens to you too, and if it does, do you hide avatars and signatures to prevent it? This poll may be a great feedback for the campaigns' owners too.
It is human nature that they need any kind of motivation to do some job. What is better motivation then money. So if someone is getting paid for creating quality posts and giving their opinion on matters, what's wrong with that?
Yes like any other things, signature campaigns too have cons but the pros out weigh them.
This forum has seen tremendous growth over the years and signature campaigns is also one of the reasons for it.
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Signature bearers post > Non-Signature bearer posts
I think the signature campaign has done more good to the forum in terms of post quality than bad, I work in the gambling sub-board and I can boldly say 89% of users representing a brand are quality posters, most of the users on my ignore lists are mostly Newbies and Non-Signatures users who spam every post with two liners replies mostly off-topic. Shit posters cannot represent a brand anyway.
legendary
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I don't put signatures on ignore because I find it to be deceptive to participate in a signature campaign, and at the same time have those signatures on ignore.
Why that? You're advertising a product to other viewers. You're not obliged to be constantly advertised about that product.

I bet you that those signatures do get clicked on, though I have no idea at what rate.
Those signatures help A LOT with the search engine optimization (SEO). If your website is linked from another website, it'll increase its SEO performance. The more traffic (higher SEO) the site that links you has, the better it is for your business. Now imagine how good would it be if you'd be linked thousands of times on a place that is ranked #6,787 in global internet engagement. By wearing your signature you have to understand that besides those that will notice it, you're automatically bringing more clients/people to the product outside of bitcointalk.

I believe that's the main motivation of the long-term signature campaigns here. The others are most probably following your thought.
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I bet you that those signatures do get clicked on, though I have no idea at what rate.  Somehow it's hard to imagine signature campaigns going on this long if there was no benefit to the businesses that ran them.  You'd think that if they were ineffective, that information would quickly be discovered and there wouldn't be so many of them over such a long period of time.  Doesn't that make sense?  And people come here because they're interested in crypto.  These signature advertisements probably don't look like the typical spam advertisements that you see all over the internet--they're specifically targeted toward the very people who would visit a forum like this, so my guess is that a lot of members (especially newbies) do click on them.  Whether that translates into revenue for the underlying business I've no idea.


The results do vary. While I didn't create an account for the campaigns I join, there was one casino (exception) which had like over 30 members that joined. However most of them were dead and only played with the free credits. Only had a handful of Satoshis and the screenshot below was just taken.



Most of the time, traffic quality is somewhat below average unless the casino has lots of engaging promotions or you advertise in a more niche market, like a gambling forum.
legendary
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I ignore all sigs that appear to be a part of a campaign, as I don't believe that the members use the products, and have no idea of their quality or benefits.
I bet you that those signatures do get clicked on, though I have no idea at what rate.  Somehow it's hard to imagine signature campaigns going on this long if there was no benefit to the businesses that ran them.  You'd think that if they were ineffective, that information would quickly be discovered and there wouldn't be so many of them over such a long period of time.  Doesn't that make sense?  And people come here because they're interested in crypto.  These signature advertisements probably don't look like the typical spam advertisements that you see all over the internet--they're specifically targeted toward the very people who would visit a forum like this, so my guess is that a lot of members (especially newbies) do click on them.  Whether that translates into revenue for the underlying business I've no idea.

Good to see you're still around, Jet Cash!  I rarely see you posting anymore.
legendary
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From the start I didn't hide my signature and avatar because it didn't bother me. Hiding signature and avatar will only make the monitor screen look like a white, colorless and possibly boring screen. Meanwhile, signature and avatar are advertisement that are distributed by various paid campaign participant and these ads will be useful if seen by everyone and that's what the project owner expected.

I also don't ignore users who currently look like users who aren't make quality post because it's still possible that one day they'll change and start posting useful. If indeed their post are not up to standard, reporting it to the moderator is the expected solution. I'm just going to ignore the trolls and those who don't want to change and keep publishing junk post all the time. This is just my perspective, and I've read that some of us have different points of view.
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Spear the bees
The association of bad campaigns with spam posts is not necessarily a bad thing.

Take heed of the origin of such notoriety - the likely result of a low-input (economically and functionally) campaign should be prejudiced against considering the lack of oversight. Any newly-minted token/coin campaign requires even less consideration than ones offered in the Services section: with low expectations from the campaign participants, low risk from the managerial side, and an oversaturated market and board, you have chimeras of spam waiting to be created in the alt boards.

YoBit is an another example, serving as an exchange that you would almost certainly never recommend - certainly, if the campaigns were managed with such passivity then one wonders about the quality of the platform itself. There is some truth in price denoting quality: an advertiser that can pass the threshold to launch a larger campaign must certainly have a feasible product, and the capacity to increase the budget should have some relationship with their overall growth.
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