Topic: The Singularity (Read 4577 times)

Yep Myrkul, and your own brain cannot judge your own intelligence on any scale. Cats most likely think they are smarter than us Except for the ones that get fooled by their own reflection.

my point: You cannot have an intelligence separated from the environment. You need breeding and natural selection to evolve intelligence. A single entity getting smarter by itself is a Si-Fi myth.

Intelligence is evolution as everything else. Social primates as us which depends on a community group, have evolved competition within our own spieces. We serve the group as we serve self interests. This is what we percieve as own intelligence.

The first true A.I. will not be build, it will be discovered. It will be a mutated computer virus that is so fundamentally different from anything programmed by a human, that there can be no doubt. This will be initiated by some garbage code made in a glitch in some ramstick somewhere.

This is how biological life started and this is how A.iI. will start.

A naturally parallel to such a scenario would be the "Jacob Creutzfeldt disease"; a mutated protein that has a mechanism for self replication in the infected cells. It is not even a virus , even less alive than a virus. It's a mirror image of a common protein that gets accumulated in the infected cell to a slightly larger extent that the correct protein, until the cell dies and spreads it proteins to infect other cells. There are really no drugs that can combat this protein.

To have a walking talking A.I  You need several primitive computer life forms that can evolve and exchange code (sex). Later on you need more complex artificial lifeforms in communities that can evolve culture and intelligence. If This A.I. culture gets smart enough and discovers that the universe it lives in is man made. It might try to decode human language and send us an email or start a religion.

You can argue that every time we have some unpredicted behaviour in a computer model, it is a reminder That the computer really doesn't care it has found a shorter path for it' electrons through it's gates totally oblivious to the fact that it is trying to predict the weather next Thursday.

Computers are confined to the natural world and the laws of physics and as such they also are predisposed to evolve life if they are given enough time and no opposition from us.

 - Another argument to deregulate the internet.

The same could be said of your friends and family. How do you know that anyone other than yourself is a thinking, conscious being?

Now we are getting somewhere. So you believe that intelligence is an entity on it self that can evolve independently? Intelligence or consciousness is evolution hard wired in us based on external stimuli for generations. Our own sense of "Me" is a social adaptation in primate evolution. Whenever I see an example of a convincing A.I. I always wonder if it is not me who is tricked into feeling that this artificial presence is intelligent. I could just be like a cat in front of a mirror.

I said AI, not bot. Bot is human-programmed. AI programs itself.

He has to few posts to be a bot.

That implies that Hex there is of human intelligence. How do you know that they're not an AI?

Having plans for the post singularity world is a logical fallacy for a human intelligence.

Bitcoin has been part of my singularity plans since I had heard of it.

Google just hired Ray Kurzweil.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/14/ray-kurzweil-joins-google-as-engineering-director-focusing-on-machine-learning-and-language-tech/

Soon.

Well I guess if you didn't see my avatar it doesn't creep me out quite as much.  I *might* be interested, but obviously I'd need more details, sir.  I tend to be able to take long vacations from work and haven't planned out my next one yet.

Let's not forget, we're all the same.

Taken very broadly, yes, yes it is.

wow! Murdered?

You should be cautious of people you meet anywhere.

But please, assure me that I am not coming off as a murder with that rideshare post

I normally sail solo. But a very good and able sailor friend of mine died in the storm when hurricane sandy came through my area. His and another boat became tangled and in his attempt to free his boat, he was crushed between the two.

I posted that ad because I thought that if Dan had an extra set of hands that evening, he would be alive today.

I suspect I will travel solo to Miami this winter. And that is fine. But having an interesting person aboard would be nice too. And I, like you, will be very cautious of who I would allow to come.

I'm only just seeing your avatar. I didn't realize you were female. It would be pretty creepy of me to be inviting a very young looking woman I met on the internet on this trip. I apologize.

What?  That's still enslaving ourselves.

Don't want to be murdered and thrown off your sailboat.  (Quite naturally.). I am always VERY cautious about meeting people irl I met online.

Looking for an opportunity to kick the habit for a month?

I posted this yesterday.

http://daytona.craigslist.org/rid/3376062705.html

Technology is a tool, if you don't have the discipline or fortitude to wield it--you are the tool.  I myself feel little adverse affects from exposure to modern amenities, I can (and often do) leave them for weeks or days at a time to live a simpler life as well.  I think the problem with society is not the tehnology's spread, but rather the lack of backbone from couch potatoes.

After hitting send I wish I had added that PERSONAL technology enslaves.

There is a fuckload of awesome tek out there. The internet could be the most wonderful thing. But then there are all these damn people running loose on it. FLHippys and myrkuls and pirateat40s (oh my).

I think of the people who came before us. With nothing more than a stick and a string Eratosthenes was able to accurately measure the circumference of the earth.

I don't loathe tek. I make my living off of tek. But Ive also got another side that knows how to live in the woods and likes to grow my own food and kill and eat the animals that need killing and eating. I get so much more satisfaction out of the times I am able to do those things than the times I am forced to earn money.

Physically, weather is is sailing in my boat and living on fish, or if it is spending the summer in the mountains of north carolina living on small game the works is much much harder, and I learn much much more (about everything) while on those extended adventures. I read books. I write in the margins. I observe a world that moves at a measured pace in sync with itself.

On my return to society, I feel enslaved by personal technology and surrounded by chaos. Is it really a good thing to have anything you want anytime you want it? For a while it sure is nice. I like regular (hot) showers. I like the wide array of groceries the tek money can buy me.. But it's no where near as satisfying as the fish I caught myself or rabbit or the deer. All of which I thank for their lives so that I may live. I don't bother to thank the animal I bought at the grocery store for it's life. I'm so very far removed from the process of those animals that it seems pointless. I don't know how it lived or died.

I leave december 1 for my next extended rendezvous with nature. This time on my sailboat where I will be mostly free of the tek bonds. But not completely. While it's certainly romantic to head out on the water with nothing more than a compass and a map, it's a very poor idea and a minimalistic but important array of tek will be keeping me safe on this coming journey. Internet included..

Jewish and African Americans might disagree.

Addiction is in the mind, we enslave ourselves.