Topic: The situation with IRAN - page 2. (Read 700 times)

bitcoin has privacy
  show me a command/line of code that asks for your name and house location
  show me on the blockchain anyones name/house address

bitcoin the currency is decentralised.
  show me a command that says do not relay/confirm transactions intended for iran/china/korea or anywhere.
  show me a command that says only transact with americans

iwill say this though. the fee war has priced some countries out of wanting to use bitcoin for daily use because the fee's are higher than a hours minimum wage for some country. (this needs changing)
but thats about stop using the business that developed the code for removing the fee formulae
you cant ask bitcoin code to self edit. its not AI
you need to stop using a certain dev team(business/people)  and instead get other PEOPLE/teams to develop code and have people decide to activate a fee formulae code that makes it cheap to use for all countries

bitcoin doesnt kill people.. people do

its the people/businesses around bitcoin(but are not bitcoin themselves) that need privacy and decentralisation.

the solution. dont use businesses that require regulatory complience.
code cannot do this. people can

franky,

I have  a point: AML/KYC discourse is weakening bitcoin and my nation at the same time and there are potentials for the two to become allies. For this to work, both sides have obligations? Yes! Iranians should adopt bitcoin and bitcoin should improve in terms of privacy and decentralization.

Any objections franky?

if PEOPLE stop using regulated businesses. then people wont see bitcoin as regulated.
because it isnt.

also the topic is about IRANS situation
so people of iran should stop using businesses that are regulated
again if your bank imposes rules. stop using your bank

people are the resistance because bitcoin is already not complying because bitcoin has no fiat complience code

take the alcohol prohibition era.
alcohol is alcohol. it cannot decide where it gets deliverd and who gets to drink it. PEOPLE DO
when governments prohibited businesses from selling it or asked businesses to set up sting operations to offer it just to report people who asked for it.. the solution was simple. people stopped going to those businesses.

people started their own local brewing groups and clubs. and they had parties drinking all the alcohol they could wanted.

you cannot ask a bottle of beer to not comply to regulations. its for the people who want a bottle of beer to find a way to get it locally so that they can then drink with international friends and family.

the reason i say locally is because how are you going to get the fiat in your pocket into bitcoin as the first step to internationally trading using bitcoin.

its baby steps
convert your fiat locally. then trade your btc internationally. then the international recipient can convert their btc thy get locally into thir local fiat in their pocket.

so if you stop worrying about american exchanges by avoid thinking, using, doing business with them. then american fiat regulations dont apply to you..
so if you stop worrying about iran banks by avoid thinking, using, doing business with them. then iran banks regulations dont apply to you..

bitcoin is the solution and doesnt need change because bitcoin does not have regulation. people just need to stop using BUSINESSES that are regulated

now iran certainly does not approve of the existence of bitcoin because it is very disturbing the real currency in the real world which is very global at all and the price of 1 btc is now very high so many people invest in it.

it is not helpful to teach us about bitcoin being a code , what's wrong with you franky? I know it is code already. everybody knows!

And please don't repeat your "american businesses" spell, it is not helpful too. We are not discussing about how american businesses willingly offer their customers information to feds and impose discrimination against a nation, it is irrelevant, no business not even an american one is happy with this mess.

Bitcoin is seized and we have to choose sides:
either being happy with the seizure and to push for full regulatory compliance (like what Faketoshi Wrong is fighting for) or we need to enhance privacy and decentralization and stick with the resistance. My observation suggests we are getting short of chairs in the middle.

Obviously as an Iranian and a freelance developer, I'm biased in favor of the resistance and I joined bitcoin in the first place because of it but I can't
 resist mocking at the fools like Craig Wright who don't pick the right side and are dreaming of a fully regulated cryptocurrency under the watch of US feds, it is truly one of the funniest things this ecosystem and I have rights to enjoy myself by laughing at it.

Again we are not talking about how Iranians should trade locally, it is about international trade for the Christ sake, focus!

bitcoin is resisting because bitcoin has no fiat regulatory complience code.

its PEOPLE that need to resist
EG
if your FIAT bank tells you that you cant deposit into a certain FIAT bank of an exchange. only YOU have access to YOUR fiat funds of the bank YOU bank with.
so YOU as a person can:
take your fiat out and find someone local to trade fiat to btc.

only YOU have the power to take YOUR fiat out of YOUR bank and go to YOUR local bitcoin meetup. its YOUR bank account aftr all
i as another PERSON cannot get to YOUR bank account and withdraw YOUR fiat and attend YOUR towns meetup to convert YOUR fiat to BTC.

so help your fellow iranians. start something local so your not affected by american decisions. because code cant do what humans can do.

Too much relativism. As far as divergence in political agendas and viewpoints are of concern, relativism does not hurt, actually it helps resolving conflicts and initiating dialogues but when it comes to committing illegal and brutal actions against a nation it turns to be totally inappropriate.

Once US imposes sanctions against Iran banking system including Iran central bank, it implies blocking their access to their deposits in global banking system, it is censorship and censorship is what bitcoin is supposed to resist against.

bitcoin is just code
it has not coded itself to coinbase and coinbases KYC

bitcoin does not ask for people addresses.
if you in iran want to avoid COINBASES KYC.. just dont use coinbase
if you in iran want to have freedom just find someone in your area to trade with

bitcoin is not regulated
american businesses are.
so simple solution dont use american businesses

find someone local to you

i do not want regulatory compliance.
but it seems you need to understand you cant sit and cry that american businesses(not bitcoin) have regulatory compliance. without actually realising that you can simply avoid regulatory compliance by avoiding using american businesses

find and create something local to you. and you will have your solution

bitcoin cannot create a business because its just code. its the PEOPLE and businesses that use bitcoin that need to use their arms legs, mouths.

so you as a person should not ask code to detach itself from businesses because bitcoin is not attached to it. its just code
again
its just code that does not know fiat laws. has no lines of code or commands that comply with fiat laws and does not ask for fiat law KYC stuff

its for PEOPLE to detach from BUSINESSES that kyc.
again
you as a person should find someone local and trade with. its that simple
you will then find out that bitcoin code and bitcoins blockchain has not revealed that you and someone else traded in a coffee shop because bitcoin does not ask or demand KYC or demand you comply with fiat regulation

lets make it simpler
say your allergic to peanuts. you simply avoid going to a peanut factory

I don't know much about politics that is related to bitcoin, but what you say is right. Western countries too interfere with the problems of the Middle East country, especially Asia.
I think crypto can be an option that offers freedom in financial terms and bitcoin is very appropriate to be adopted.

The influence of US is so great that no country can remain the same should she be magnanimous with sanctions. Even advance countries with sophisticated economy and sizeable influence would have to put serious palliatives measures in place in other to survive with little scar.

The current political landscape in the US is subject to interpretation which from your end you are seeing as something wrong but to some other people, its surely the right thing to do which you have rightly expose your biasness at the beginning. On the use of bitcoin to solve the situation, I think its an overreaching assumption because to use a model that has not been tested would means something of proper planning and in a situation of peace not this moment that because of pressure would be implemented in a shaby way.

it has almost nothing to do with military to be more specific. And I don't think "national digital currency" does make any sense. I'm trying to make it clear how bitcoin should evolve and be ready for the upcoming waves of aggression by states. I think it is very important for bitcoiners to become more aware of the true forces behind the clunge of btc price and choose the right side of the lee.

yes, the USA has made Iran condition become worse, in my opinion, USA has given severe sanctions to Iran, of course, it affects the condition of Iran, especially in the military and economic aspect

I think, Iran must make a new revolution by making crypto regulation, even creating a national digital currency, which can have a positive impact on Iran's conditions.

Indeed!

And paradoxically, it is why btc is falling sharp, regulations are getting harsher and people are asking (correctly):
When everything is under surveillance and they are aware of every single transaction or at least are so close to do it by sitting at the gates, how it would be considered radically different from fiat after all? Except for limited liquidity and price fluctuations and the row of hacks and scams?

For me price deeping even more is a blessing, it helps getting rid of bugs in the community. Be them dumping all their coins and get the hell out of this ecosystem and find their fortune in stocks or gambling business.

People who want regulation are simply greedy. They want it because they associate higher prices with it. They don't care about BTC. They care about their lambos and cashing out back to fiat. Most bitcoin investors are traders who want more fiat to set themselves for life and regulated BTC means rich snobs being less scared to invest and pump prices.

I do not agree with the trump, he has a purpose to weaken the military, political and economic power of Iran.

when aspects of growth in the economic, military and political fields are limited by USA, the crypto world can be a solution to improve the conditions of Iran.

I think, Iran is a country that will follow Venezuela, but today, I don't know how the crypto development in Iran.

so, if Iran doesn't get a good agreement with China and Russia, then Iran must make crypto as a solution.

It is not about what american businesses want or don't want, it is about what a crazy billionaire wants who is a friend of Netanyahu and Bin Salman and is violating every single international law and treaty to ruin the planet once forever, Donald Trump. He is not America and it is not about American businesses.

To resist this bullyism, bitcoin needs more privacy and more decentralization and censorship resistance and it should migrate from centralized exchanges to decentralized ones, otherwise with AML/KYC getting tenser every day how is it possible for Iranians to use bitcoin for international trade? And without international trade who cares about bitcoin right now in Iran?

See? you live in gray zone. You want bitcoin and want regulatory compliance at the same time, kinda hypocrisy it is. Isn't it? Then tell me how is not it just insane to expect such a ridiculous self-contradictory thing: a cryptocurrency with high prices and regulatory compliance at the same time?

I have been around enough to be familiar with the agenda of most of non-anonymous bitcoiners who are willingly ready to do anything and retreating from any agenda bitcoin has to keep the price high. Anti-censorship, anonymity, privacy, decentralization, state resistance, ... are the last things they are interested in and do not hesitate to give up with and such fools are the ones who want bitcoin to skyrocket!

Here I'm talking about what I've been promised about bitcoin:
A new monetary system that is supposed to put an end to bullyism.  
What are you talking about? Promoting bitcoin in Iran for local trade? What is it? A joke?

80 million human beings health and welfare are put in risk by a stupid bully.
They can't normally finance their international trade because of US sanctions.
They can't buy medicine, food, ... because they just can't transfer the money.

It is not a joke.
 

in all your post above you have laid out pointing the finger at people and businesses that exist thousands of miles away from iran.

again. if iran want to trade in bitcoin. find a bitcoiner within 50 miles and trade... its that simple.
organise something in your town.

dont set yourself up to fail by saying "cant 'coz coinbase KYC's".. say "can 'coz adbul down the street has bitcoin he wants to sell"

dont blame the rest of the world. first of all make the first step. organise something local and build on it.

bitcoin is not coinbase. its not bitpay, its not coinify.. bitcoin is just code.
coinbase, bitpay, coinfy are just american businesses.. if you dont like what they have to offer. dont use them. instead stay away from american businesses. and then in your town organise something in your community.

you cant start a protest/strike/revolution by saying "but america want some paperwork if we ask a american union to strike for us". start your own strike. ask locals where you live to get together

no point saying american businesses dont like iran so iran will stand still and do nnothing waiting for american businesses to stop being american.
instead say, lets start iranian businesses and not wait around

 

It has also brought a lot of suffering down on itself by allowing islamists to rule the country and force their laws upon the people. I guess that was what the Western world was afraid of. Nuclear power in the hands of Islamic extremists who want to destroy the West and make sharia law great again.

Why is Iran in such a bad situation? Because they've been in hyperinflation for many years and tried to hide it by adding new fiat currencies on top of the existing ones. At the same time The USA did its best to destabilize the rial with the help of the CIA and various sanctions. Not to mention that some people are still using tomans there which adds to the chaos.

Ignoring the government and using Bitcoin would be the right path.

It is the Rothschild family behind all of the shenanigans.  


http://www.theeventchronicle.com/finanace/three-countries-left-without-rothschild-central-bank/




Now in 2018
https://roserambles.org/2018/03/01/only-three-countries-left-without-a-rothschild-central-bank-thursday-march1-2018/

*North Korea next to fall to the Rothschilds:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90xD71ANvEA

The sanction of President Trump been hammered on IRAN has a lot of momentum. This will have to do with the President of Iran's decision and actions. The people ought not to suffer for the mistake of a few government officials. Iran has to consider incorporating the bitcoin for now to ameliorate the economic sanctions and hardship.