Topic: the social Bitcoin (Read 3087 times)

because it's stealing, the rich bitcoiners invested lots of money fair and square for those coins..

plus: coins like ComunityCoin are apearing.

people are allready dicussing "horizontal mining". a coin in the hand of few people wont survive in the end. write it down

I think your idea is great and straight to the point. Just posted this here before reading your post. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/thoughts-for-an-awesome-future-382645

Distribution of wealth through technology and democracy, good stuff!

when slavery ended, government did nothing for the now free slaves. if the government had had social programs like the actual government has, they would never have formed. 

They wouldn't be having favelas, or riots, if it wasn't.

wow...so easy? genious. Brazlian Government must be stupid ;-)

Yes! Because outside investment (foreign corps and businesses) would come in and employ the hell out of all those poor workers, since they are already used to being paid almost nothing, then over time (noot a very long time) these workers would learn skills on the job, demand higher pay for hiquer quaality work, and because there will be fewer of them available to employ (unemployment will go down), and many of them would end up in lower-middle class status. Exactly as it happened in many of the Southeast Asian countries, where people were poorer than they are even in Brazilian favelas, but are now way richer than them.

you mean the favelas would stop existing in a 100% free market? that's stupid. they were formed in a 100% free market: slavery and after

I've never understood the appeal of living in a multi-story death trap without any land to call your own and being far too close to your neighbours so they can hear your conversations through the wall.

The immage is of a favela, a shanty town in Brazil. It is also an example of what you get if your country ranks 126th out of 181 in "ease of doing business" rankings from excessive regulations which prevent private investment,  and a corruption score that places Brazil 72nd in the world, worse than Italy, which is known for its mafias and corrupt government officials, and even worse than African nations like Ghana and Rwanda.

Yes, this is a perfect example of what happens when there is the exact opposite of a "free market" in a country.

Or this, or they are just to innocent to realize that people are not like this in the video.

cause reality is this:

Are you implying that free market capitalists are against this?

I think a version of this video that would fit the current socialist government model would involve someone in a police uniform approaching every one of those people, forcing them to give up some of their money under the treat of authority, and using it to pay some designated "helper" to provide help to the next person in line. Because that's how government works, not with people being nice enough to help each other, but with government taking everyone's money so that the government can hire public employees to help people.

haters gonna hate:

http://www.videosdodia.com/vida-da-muitas-voltas/

I guess we should consider many large corporations to have succeeded then, since they have made much of the third world wealthier, healthier, and better off socially.

Wonderful thread, very interesting read. I would quote some people as I have some questions about your points but I thought I would generally state my views that are relevant here.

Society is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to have a passport, birth certificate or social security number. These are documents of registration which mean that the confer ownership from the individual to the agency managing the document (government, the financial corporations and central agencies. In the UK, every birth certificate is owned by crown copyright. This is what enables prosecution under Acts and Statutes and the payment of Taxation. Stephan Molyneux has some interesting material on this but stated in brief: The system of wage slavery and prosecution outside Common Law is perpetuated by registering your children at birth, identifying to tax accounts, saying 'Yes that's me, I UNDERSTAND (stand under the authority of Act and Statue) you officer' to the police. To live once again as humans, we have to refuse to accept the Legal authority of such documents (leaving the farm so to speak). Whilst this is the dream for many of us here in cryptoland, practically in can be difficult to acquire the minimum assets to move somewhere in the world where freedom is more fruitfully implemented. Furthermore many of us might wish to adapt/reconstruct the current systems of control to enable the kind of civilization that we want for children and loved ones (that too is a long term goal that requires huge shifts in the social understanding of current human society, and CryptoHumanity 2.0)

1- When you identify to a document (passport, ID card) by saying 'I (this human being) BOB of the family SMITH am (accept legal responsibility for) MR BOB SMITH (the legal document/ personal corporation owned by Crown Copyright, the Social Security Service etc)', you make yourself liable for any title, fine or prosecution upheld by a court or legal corporation.

2- Associating your crypto assets to these legal entities (MR BOB SMITH's tax account) is a legal grey area. However even doing so states a fundamental complicity with the systems by which these legal entities are enabled. For me, that stands in direct opposition with the reason I got into cryptoculture (independence from the 'farm' of legal entities) and thus cannot be treated as an end in itself. I intend to become incorporated as cryptoasset manager under UK law but it is going to take come creativity and Legal knowhow, but this is an interim solution until I can afford self sufficiency and and internet connection somewhere outside the remit of the financio-corporate-governance cartel : )

3- Cryptocurrency represents a new socio-economic sphere of action in which citizens can facilitate their needs. Those who are disengaged from mainstream politics, and see the malevolent and controlled nature of the current fiat economy for what it is (wage slavery& soul destroying consumerism) have the opportunity to free their assets and livelihood from the current socio-economic arrangement. This is a threat to the illusory system of control enforced upon nearly the entirety of humankind by government and corporations, so they will be resistant enabling it in policy.

What are the options? Move to an island and start again, or pull together and push for CryptoLife in the current matrix of control?

I was thinking a lot about how to respond the "Holocaust denial" - like arguments of some here, but i just suggest you guys continue in this "this world is perfect, why change?"-thread and leave this here ontopic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/whats-wrong-with-unequal-wealth-distribution-was-2013-12-10-bitcoin-proves-370034




just leaving you a text from Bessie A. Stanley:



"What is Success?

To laugh often and love much; to win the respect of intelligent persons and the affection of children; to earn the approbation of honest citizens and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty; to find the best in others; to give of one’s self; to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to have ?played and laughed with enthusiasm and sung with exultation; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived—this is to have succeeded"

There is already working solution to this, and people are doing it voluntarily. Until just decade or so ago, it was much better to hire well educated people in developed world to do skilled labor, because the people in developed world already had needed skills. But then people in developed world voluntarily chose to raise minimum wage, and increase regulation, so now it is cheaper to hire and train people in places with a lot of poor people. This past decade has seen unbelievably large amount of poorest people in all of world get pulled out of poverty through economic expansion in India and China. Indians are much grateful to developed world for voluntarily doing those choices. Namaste!

That is good point. There is now much oppression of not only wealthy people, but small business owners and entrepreneurs, who must now pay for expensive licenses and fees to do their jobs. There are news that almost 10 wealthy people leave America every month to avoid paying these high fees and taxes. We even have examples of this here in bitcoin community, such as Erik Voorhees leaving and moving to Panama because it is much easier to establish business there, and China becoming more dominant in Bitcoin because it is difficult to do anything with bitcoin in America. Business and entrepreneur people will keep leaving, poor people will have fewer job opportunities and become poorer, and they will get more angry and demand more money and more things from business people and entrepreneurs, and cycle will continue until everyone is poor and with no work. It is already much easier to get job in China and India than in Japan and America.

My point about the heredity test is that we already use DNA testing to identify a person to a great degree of certainty. We also have tests to detect when blood has been tampered with. Custom making unique DNA and physically inserting it into blood cells or cloning and growing unique bone marrow sound like expensive ways to gain a fairly small amount of money (maximum $600). As long as a computer can say that a vial of blood came from a certain person and that it hasn't been tampered with, blood could be used as a form of identification for this system.

Up to now I have been writing about this idea as something that could be pushed on people, a run on cash, a form of striking, a revolution; but now I think it would have to be something that people in the developed world choose to do voluntarily. As they are the ones who will be giving up most of the wealth it could not be forced upon them and they need some incentive to participate. One incentive would be to give relief to the world's poor; but there is another more practical reason to adopt a global egalitarian cryptocurrency.

I suppose that natural resources are best handled by those that know best how to manage them, that way the most valuable possible objects will be produced per unit of natural resource. As such natural resources and wealth are only wasted on people who have not reached a certain level of organization, cooperation, efficiency and rational thinking. It is better for energy to be concentrated on a wealthy minority that know how to reproduce it efficiently. There is a major flaw in this line of thinking. Yes developed countries have figured out how to yield the greatest value from natural resources such as land and energy but they have neglected to invest in the greatest natural resource of all: the human race.

By neglecting to invest in the world's poor the developed world has allowed a huge gulf to grow in terms of relative standards of living and most importantly education. There are about 1.2 trillion american dollars in cash, America's wealth is thought to be around 120 trillion dollars. Adopting this cryptocurrency would make only a small dent on American wealth but for 40% of the world's population earning less than $2.50 a day it would be unimaginable wealth ($600). Nothing could do more to boost the world's productivity than investing in education and tools for the world's poor. Adopting a global egalitarian currency would be different to any other form of wealth redistribution in that it would be totally decentralized. Instead of giving aid to corrupt governments that don't understand the needs of their people, for the first time they would receive the money directly. I'm a big believer in the work of philosopher Nassim Taleb; he frequently writes about the disastrous consequences of centralized planning and organization that simply fails to respond to dynamic and organic processes. If people can decide for themselves or in small groups what they need they are more likely to become productive. Yes some will simply consume their share of coins. There are geniuses in every part of the world but most live and die without ever achieving a fraction of what they could have because the group they belong to has been designated 'unproductive'. This cryptocurrency would give the poor an opportunity to get the things they need to be productive, it will allow the entrepreneurs among them a chance to emerge.

To accompany this redistribution of the world's cash I would also suggest an exodus of people to the developing world in order to assist in the transition. All across Europe and America young, college educated people are sitting at home consuming welfare because there is no demand for their skills. In the developing world they could share their knowledge and make a real economic and social impact. This cryptocurrency would give people a real motivation to go to the poorest parts of the world and offer their valuable services because there would be 'gold' to earn. As long as the rich world agreed to use this currency the lives of the rich and the poor would be deeply intertwined in a way they are not now because the 'gold' would be distributed equally to begin with. I believe that this would be a form of long-term investment that would eventually pay off enormously.