Topic: The Startup Curve (Read 5619 times)

Awesome analogy.  This is one of my favorite posts of yours that I've read.  Totally agree with your forking observation.  Our beloved Bitcoin dev team is FUCKING dedicated and seemingly determined to keep the project as close to the original vision as possible while implementing changes that are necessary for the network to be more robust in general, and in particular give Bitcoin more value by allowing for multisig, which (as far as I can tell) will enable Bitcoin to be used for future ground-breaking, world-changing concepts such as smart property.

I'm seeing a lot of "promised land"-ish posts popping up on this sub-forum... implies we need acquisition of more liquidity?  And THEN... mhmm. 

That creation of an artificial lifeform video: perhaps it really is Skynet? ;-)

Would love to see an updated version from October to April!

Huh. Nice post! I just said most of this in a thread today, really just from my own experience - the startups i've been in and the ones I've watched all do this, and bitcoin certainly is now. Nice to see my observations about startups are on the mark according to someone with more experience than me. I mostly made the case based on the current level of investment (mining, forums, banking, lending, exchanges, etc) vs. the current market valuation. In most case when I've seen a startup get to this level, with this much investment, no one is willing to lose their investment, and so they hunt down and find an influx of additional cash. Most startup investors wouldn't settle for less than a 20:1 return, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the basic chart play out, and then more on to what ElectricMucus said above.

There is a much shorter dip in the price, and no flatlining or no flatlining over a long period.
I'm not saying that couldn't happen, it might, but that would mean a much lower floor than we saw in the last months, and at least now it doesn't look that way.

The Bitcoin price could more be like the historical silver price with an extended drop for a decade with smaller and smaller rallies in-between until it finally shoots to the moon. But even that would require that we'll see new lows sooner than later, which doesn't quite look that way right now.

I cried at 3:24 

Actually, Linux had a very similar development model, and it was the first truly novel open-source ecosystem (not just project).  I remember clearly when professional service companies started springing up to support Linux in the enterprise, offering 24/7 phone support and next-day on-site support; and these companies were being profitable and expanding. It was at that point that I knew Linux was going to fly.  So far, I see some consultants around Bitcoin forming, but it's still too new to support many professional consultants, nor is there any need for 24/7 support when there are almost no shopping carts that use Bitcoin.

And instead of bitcoin exchanges, Linux had different programming languages and support groups/magazines, like Perl, Perl Mongers (regional in-person groups), and the Perl Journal, respectively.  These were tangentially related to Linux and dependent upon it, very much like exchanges and Bitcoin.  I've been to an in-person Bitcoin meetup with 5 people, which is similar to the starting days of Perl.  And I hear there's a new Bitcoin magazine...

One thing that I'm happy to observe is that Bitcoin has avoided forking so far.  BIP16/17 was the first real fork test I've observed, and it appears to have been settled without someone taking their ball and going home (or to a different playing field).

Stop talking about the Bitcoin Magazine. 

Most mining is done in seeking profit.  Right now there is profit (though at a fairly small degree) for mining using off-the-shelf hardware (GPUs).  If the exchange rate (price) goes up, the amount of mining will go up as there is greater profit available.   If the price drops and mining turns unprofitable, eventually the amount of mining will drop.

This does not work the other way around.  7,200 BTC (approx) are produced every day, regardless of how much mining occurs.   So the miners are all competing for those same 7,200 BTC.  More mining does not increase the supply and thus push down the price.  And more mining (in aggregate) does not make bitcoin "more secure", at least not at these levels.

I'm not saying miners aren't an important part of Bitcoin's success -- but I am saying that bitcoin mining only needs to occur at a level sufficient to protect the value of the payment network.   And to paraphrase a term someone else used once, bitcoin is currently protected (in terms of difficulty in attaining 51% control) as if it were Fort Knox with a sniper every ten feet, except inside there are only a few bags of pennies, nickels and dimes.

As far as bitcoin adoption reflecting the startup curve ... if the exchange rate reflects the amount of faith in bitcoin, and that faith is correlated to adoption of the technology, then this can show the trend of bitcoin's adoption chart:




i.e., not that much different from Paul Graham's chart!

My first reaction while watching the video was "wow! it looks like bees constructing their beehive."

I don't think so. My theory is while adoption grows the percentage of people new interested in mining shrinks. But it should be a monotonic function.
I also think that influx or outflux of miners is more relevant than upgrades from enduring miners. So I conclude a direct relation between adoption and difficulty.
time will tell.

I agree that bitcoins usefulness is the major factor for growth but from those coming because of it there will always be some considering mining worth the effort.

damn those microsoft spell checkers.

I think that is only true if the majority of the people adopting are also mining.  Once Bitcoin is easier to use, I think less people will be attracted to it because of the potential profits of mining and more will be attracted because Bitcoin is actually a useful system.

Adaptation is a great movie.

Oh I forget to mention, I think difficulty resembles adaptation, not entirely but somewhat closely.

I don't think the OP was saying that the difficulty is going to resemble that line.  I think he was saying that adoption will.

the facts disagree with you OP.
What has happened happened, it can either stabilize here or get much much higher in the next months, there is no way difficulty will resemble your curve.

I suspect that this is (literally) precisely what is happening.

I save in PMs and BTC, call them what you will but I call them money.

It has taught me not to save green paper.  Use the green paper to buy assets.

Yep, you're right and I also have no idea what words to use to explain it It has it's downside though.. after Bitcoin every other currency project that I come across simply seems far inferior and almost comically flawed, so I'm afraid Bitcoin ruined me for a lot of other forms of money  

p.s.: love the video too! It's almost like watching a life form being assembled