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June 18, 2011, 05:34:31 PM
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Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.

That is much easier than you might imagine.

However I understand that most of the unlawful stuff is done in some place like Germany or the US, but all access to the site is via proxies in remote parts of the world which use a VPN to talk to the main server.

For an example that won't get you sent to jail just for asking: Google (or better yet Duck Duck GO) the term FOSI and follow the link to the site. FOSI has been offering downloads of unlawfully copied software since at least 1990 (when I first found them). They have never been down for more than an hour despite all the DMCA fuss!

Setting up an unlawful site is not hard, but your DO need someone competent that you can trust to set things up - it is the dumb mistakes that kill you!

I think you mean illegal. There is no such thing as an "unlawful" copyright violation because copyright is a creation of statute not of natural right. Copyright doesn't even exist at common law. In fact copyright didn't even really exist till the player piano was invented.

I used copyright as an example so I could illustrate my point without anyone going to jail. Yes there are gambling, child porn, drug dealing etc. sites that have been around just as long, but you risk jail time for even looking.
newbie
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You doubt that would happen or that the market would explode?.

That the market would explode.

There's no additional benefit to *most* people in Amazon taking Bitcoins. Their paycheck is in dollars, their bank account is in dollars, their credit card...you get the picture.

I mean, it would be useful for people who *have* Bitcoins to be able to spend them more places, but what reason is there for me to convert my dollar to bitcoins, to buy goods...I can buy in dollars?

Especially since by the time a major retailer might be on board, mining your own bitcoins will be pretty much a dead end for most people.
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Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.

That is much easier than you might imagine.

However I understand that most of the unlawful stuff is done in some place like Germany or the US, but all access to the site is via proxies in remote parts of the world which use a VPN to talk to the main server.

For an example that won't get you sent to jail just for asking: Google (or better yet Duck Duck GO) the term FOSI and follow the link to the site. FOSI has been offering downloads of unlawfully copied software since at least 1990 (when I first found them). They have never been down for more than an hour despite all the DMCA fuss!

Setting up an unlawful site is not hard, but your DO need someone competent that you can trust to set things up - it is the dumb mistakes that kill you!

I think you mean illegal. There is no such thing as an "unlawful" copyright violation because copyright is a creation of statute not of natural right. Copyright doesn't even exist at common law. In fact copyright didn't even really exist till the player piano was invented.
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And Most kids aren't making porn videos. Kiddie porn shouldn't be allowed period.

When did YOU last visit a Junior High School? (11-14 year olds)

It may get them a lifetime "branding" with a "scarlet "sex offender" on their forehead, but the kids consider "sexting" to be "really cool" - even more so because it gets the adults so upset!

I have never seen a 12-16 year old who really believes that "bad things" could happen to them!
They're two different markets when it comes to Kiddie porn. The kids that know -Sexters- and the 0-10 year old group(Which I was referring to) That are forced into it.
newbie
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Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.

That is much easier than you might imagine.

However I understand that most of the unlawful stuff is done in some place like Germany or the US, but all access to the site is via proxies in remote parts of the world which use a VPN to talk to the main server.

For an example that won't get you sent to jail just for asking: Google (or better yet Duck Duck GO) the term FOSI and follow the link to the site. FOSI has been offering downloads of unlawfully copied software since at least 1990 (when I first found them). They have never been down for more than an hour despite all the DMCA fuss!

Setting up an unlawful site is not hard, but your DO need someone competent that you can trust to set things up - it is the dumb mistakes that kill you!
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get Saudi Arabia to accept bitcoin for barrels of oil exclusively
newbie
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And Most kids aren't making porn videos. Kiddie porn shouldn't be allowed period.

When did YOU last visit a Junior High School? (11-14 year olds)

It may get them a lifetime "branding" with a "scarlet "sex offender" on their forehead, but the kids consider "sexting" to be "really cool" - even more so because it gets the adults so upset!

I have never seen a 12-16 year old who really believes that "bad things" could happen to them!
newbie
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gambling used to be big business in second life before it got banned there. well, it can't be banned for bitcoins Tongue

ALL of the "businesses" I named were available in Second Life at one time or another.

I had one SL avatar who was a small child and I REALLY got pissed at the halfwits who would try to "pick her up" by sending a picture of "their" puny penis! They got "turned in" just as fast as I could type BTW.

In real life I am 67 years old and raised 4 sons - I KNOW what a penis looks like believe it or not!
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If only a site like amazon would take bitcoins, the market would explode.

I very much doubt this. I mean - why?

The appeal of Bitcoin is the anonymous, quasi-secure nature of the thing. Why do you need that for Amazon.com? That the government may be interested in your picking up 'Python in a Nutshell' or the Dark Knight on BlueRay?

Why not use your U.S. dollars and their stable prices, versus holding funds in a fairly unstable currency?

Bitcoin will take off when it can do something the Dollar/Euro/Pound can't more easily and conveniently.

You doubt that would happen or that the market would explode?.

Because yes we know amazon doesn't like the unstable BTC. But some day it may become stable enough for them, or some other sites may come first...

But if people are given the choice between spending BTC in gambling, donating to your favorite organization or buying some libertarian's books or inception in blueray, thats when BTC would go from being an alternative to potentially replacing the use of dollars, and the value would go up.
newbie
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Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

You forgot large bribes for changing laws, and Bitcoin will be very attractive to politicians for that reason.

Well at least in Arizona the bribes are reputed to be about the price of admission to a sports event!

The "tradition" of such bribes though is to use prostitutes ( the kinkier/more illegal the better) that way NO ONE wants to talk about the bribe and there is NO record (unless she never takes her dress to the cleaners ever again see Monica Lewinski)

According to police officers I have talked with, politicians are the main market for "under 12YO" prostitutes for this reason! I just cannot imagine being "owned" to that extent by anyone, but then I am not a politician!
newbie
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If only a site like amazon would take bitcoins, the market would explode.

I very much doubt this. I mean - why?

The appeal of Bitcoin is the anonymous, quasi-secure nature of the thing. Why do you need that for Amazon.com? That the government may be interested in your picking up 'Python in a Nutshell' or the Dark Knight on BlueRay?

Why not use your U.S. dollars and their stable prices, versus holding funds in a fairly unstable currency?

Bitcoin will take off when it can do something the Dollar/Euro/Pound can't more easily and conveniently.
newbie
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Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.


You think the US would shut down a gambling site that only uses BTC? It's fiat, why would they care?
sr. member
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Hmmm... I actually have the source code to what used to be a commercial poker site and it's client.   Would be interesting to set it up, but I am sure the servers at least would need to be located outside of the US.
newbie
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Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!


All of those things happen already with other currencies, but in many places prostitution, gambling and at least some drugs are legal. You just have to put a server in any of those places and problem solved.

If only a site like amazon would take bitcoins, the market would explode.

This and this again. Wouldn't a dedicated BTC e-Bay or Amazon, attract far more people and raise exchange rates higher, than a BTC gambling facilitator?  How about MMOs where in game transactions and micropayments take place in BTC ?
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Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!


All of those things happen already with other currencies, but in many places prostitution, gambling and at least some drugs are legal. You just have to put a server in any of those places and problem solved.

If only a site like amazon would take bitcoins, the market would explode.
sr. member
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Hmmm, lets see the "big three" of organized crime are: drugs, prostitution, and gambling

In the on line world I suppose we have to add child porn to that.

Somehow I don't think that ANY of those "opportunities" will encourage most of us to support BitCoin!

You forgot large bribes for changing laws, and Bitcoin will be very attractive to politicians for that reason.
newbie
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Honestly, I doubt any commercial gambling site will sign on for awhile. Perhaps one run by the same kind of idealism that fuels BitCoin, but I cant imagine most businesses not feeding off the Bitcoin ecosystem who will accept its volatility.
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
I wonder how traumatized kids would be if after they drunk some hot cocoa someone came up to them and "enlightened" them that being offered and then drinking hot cocoa was an evil thing to happen with them, and then sent them to mental professionals to help them deal with the horrible taint of having drunk hot cocoa.

Tiago, You're making very intelligent, rational arguments, and you have some good points, but you're making yourself look like a pedophile. For your own sake, stop digging.
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Firstbits.com/1fg4i :)
I wonder how traumatized kids would be if after they drunk some hot cocoa someone came up to them and "enlightened" them that being offered and then drinking hot cocoa was an evil thing to happen with them, and then sent them to mental professionals to help them deal with the horrible taint of having drunk hot cocoa.

I seriously doubt that if when i was a kid someone made me feel really good i would have been scarred for life; sure if i had been hurt or severely humiliated it would've been bad, but anything if done nastily can be bad, kids can get traumatized with anything from potty training to riding the merry-go-round to fishing to eating pork to going to the doctor etc. IMO if society dealt with sexual stuff more healthy there would be way less kids getting traumatized with sexual stuff.


Seems that in many cases what traumatizes kids is the cultural aspects and not the sex itself (again, i'm not saying that it is never bad)
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Heres some of the links that were removed from the wiki.

if i am missing any please let me know. I'll use your referral link, if they have one.


includes
gambling
porn (18+ no cp)
drugs.

direct links to all bitcoin controversial sites.
http://opticbit.com/active/Controversial.html


some of the sites have referral links please use to get those links.
http://opticbit.com/active/bitcoin.html

or the porn ref links
http://freewayflash.com/pictures/bitcoin-anonymous-porn-paym.html
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