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Space Lord
January 11, 2015, 07:49:33 AM
#27
When it takes less than 30,000 coins to knock us down to 0...

This is not an economy, it's an experiment

zero is not possible man, you know how much buyers will pop up if we even go below 100? let alone something crazy like 1-2, i know my self i would buy a tons

This is what I've been saying for a long, long time, and why I was saying that sub-100 are cheap coins.
legendary
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January 11, 2015, 07:46:53 AM
#26
When it takes less than 30,000 coins to knock us down to 0...

This is not an economy, it's an experiment

zero is not possible man, you know how much buyers will pop up if we even go below 100? let alone something crazy like 1-2, i know my self i would buy a tons
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January 11, 2015, 07:42:12 AM
#25
has speculation always had many of these types of threads (2011-2012)? or did they not become common until 2013
No, there was a Newbie section where newbs had first to educate themselves and earn some activity points to be able to go to Speculation trollbox section.
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January 11, 2015, 07:27:29 AM
#24
There is still an opportunity to sell internet funny money close to $300, this shouldn't be taken for granted. One or two years from now, it will look like a bargain.
legendary
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January 11, 2015, 06:57:33 AM
#23
It's dead, it's done.

Bitcoiners, do you have any valid arguments that justify your efforts to get innocent people into this free falling clumsy mess of a pump&dump pyramid scheme?



What a complete load of dismissive cobblers.

Have a look back at the history of the bitcoin market. It's littered with posts like this all the way back to 2010. We got our rise in December 2013 and it's spent a year consolidating. So what ?

It took 10 years before buying an airline ticket with a web browser even began to become commonplace. It was probably another 5 years after that that it became the norm.

We're talking about money and the financial system here. Probably the most conservative and inertia oriented sector in all of humanity. The fact that people will pay any money at all for a string of characters that you can't spend anywhere except a tiny number of select establishments is a massive hole in the dam. The cat is out of the bag and it's not going back in now.
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January 11, 2015, 06:10:51 AM
#22
Now that the return of Bitstamp has proven not to boost the market in any way, i think its safe to say that even big players now realize it's done and only going down from here.

I think the return if Bitstamp was the only thing that could have boosted the value a little.
Why do people keep talking about 'but the fundamentals dare there', no they are not, that's why we have 200 altcoins that are almost every one of them better than bitcoin in at least one aspect.

Bitcoin has a fail mining approach, PoW.
Bitcoin mining is centralized.
Bitcoin has failed distribution.
Bitcoin has slow confirmations.
Bitcoin development has practically stopped.
Bitcoin blockchain is bulky, its 30gb how much if it would be adopted, impossible to sustain.
Most bitcoin transactions are of criminal nature.

Please tell me why you invest still?

Colored coins? Not going to happen.
Side Chains? Not going to happen.
EFT? Not going to happen.

Enlighten me oh holy permabulls.


maybe, it's ETF...and yes, it's going to happen!
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January 11, 2015, 01:33:16 AM
#21

If by "adoption" you mean merchants accepting USD payments from a BITCOIN DUMP though BitPay, or people using BTC as a store of value and losing 70% of its purchasing power in a year, then sure, "adoption".

That's a first, and necessary step: retailer adoption.  Of course they have to convert immediately to fiat, as their costs are billed in fiat.  This implies fast coin turnover, high velocity, and low bitcoin value.

Once this is generalized, and it becomes second nature to be able to buy stuff in bitcoin from retailers (implying low bitcoin price for this fundamental), then suppliers might be interested in being paid in bitcoin.  It may become interesting to receive part of one's salary in bitcoin (as most retailers accept it).
And *that* implies suddenly that not all retailer bills are in fiat.  That implies that retailers will not convert systematically all in fiat, because they can spend the coins themselves (in salaries, in bills of their suppliers....).

That will:
1) boost the amount of stuff bought with bitcoin
2) make holding times much longer

and hence imply much higher prices (longer holding times, and larger volumes of traded value).

At that point, if ever, bitcoin will have become a currency.  Price will then be determined by the monetary formula.

Bitcoin can also have other fundamentals, such as "store of value" a la gold, but I don't believe in that until people get much more confidence in it.

This is a multi-decade program.

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January 11, 2015, 01:10:25 AM
#20
I don't think the current price has anything to with its success. That doesn't mean I stay long in a down trend. Wink
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January 11, 2015, 01:09:11 AM
#19
1)  Stop looking at the market price, dumb idiots

2)  Bitcoins destiny won't be related to its market behavior until consumer adoption begins to affect it.

3)  Right now the entire market "world" is a bunch of day traders, manipulators, speculators, and whales.  

4)  The Bitcoin Market has nothing to with whats going on -------> out there in the field.  In the ecosystem.

5)  The ecosystem is building its infrastructure.  Then will come consumer / enterprise adoption.  

6)  Then you will see a Bitcoin market price that is affected by its actual utility and use.

Not a day before.

Until then, the Bitcoin price has nothing to do with Bitcoin.  Its potential for success.  Nor its potential for failure.

Period.

-B-

I agree with that.  I don't see how one can declare a 50-year-like experiment as done and over after not even a decade.

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January 11, 2015, 01:05:40 AM
#18
all aboard the PPC train!   choo choo!
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January 11, 2015, 01:01:03 AM
#17
Why do some users make the same threads every other day?
Yea you think bitcoin is not here to stay etc... I figured. See you in couple days in your newest thread?

The OP could have said everything in the latest tulips thread. It would have saved opening a new thread to say the same things.
legendary
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January 11, 2015, 12:29:41 AM
#16
Wow look at that someone who has been trolling bitcointalk for like 3 years, has 800+ activity and doesn't even believe in bitcoin anymore.

Why are you here again? Go troll elsewhere

No one has patience anymore it seems, not everything has to happen at once.
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January 11, 2015, 12:15:40 AM
#15
i buy bitcoin to trade alts, not for holding it anymore though.
I hope we can get soon another basecurrency because this one sucks.
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January 11, 2015, 12:12:36 AM
#14
Just wait for New Money Monday! Tongue

It's just a down trend. Strong 4-5 year bull market. Where we are is not unreasonable. Honestly, I could see us at sub-$50 a year or two from now, and would not be surprised with a long term bullish resolution (new ATHs) in time. Mean reversion is a bitch. Wink
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January 10, 2015, 11:36:09 PM
#13
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January 10, 2015, 11:09:17 PM
#12
has speculation always had many of these types of threads (2011-2012)? or did they not become common until 2013
legendary
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January 10, 2015, 11:05:54 PM
#11
1)  Stop looking at the market price, dumb idiots

2)  Bitcoins destiny won't be related to its market behavior until consumer adoption begins to affect it.

3)  Right now the entire market "world" is a bunch of day traders, manipulators, speculators, and whales.  

4)  The Bitcoin Market has nothing to with whats going on -------> out there in the field.  In the ecosystem.

5)  The ecosystem is building its infrastructure.  Then will come consumer / enterprise adoption.  

6)  Then you will see a Bitcoin market price that is affected by its actual utility and use.

Not a day before.

Until then, the Bitcoin price has nothing to do with Bitcoin.  Its potential for success.  Nor its potential for failure.

Period.

-B-
Point, set, match! Bitcoin ain't going nowhere. Too many people are focused on the short term price and let the trolls scare them to death. Gotta have a strong stomach lining if ya want to reap the rewards down the line.
legendary
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January 10, 2015, 11:01:30 PM
#10
Why do some users make the same threads every other day?
Yea you think bitcoin is not here to stay etc... I figured. See you in couple days in your newest thread?

He's a NXThead Roll Eyes
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January 10, 2015, 11:00:26 PM
#9
1)  Stop looking at the market price, dumb idiots

2)  Bitcoins destiny won't be related to its market behavior until consumer adoption begins to affect it.

3)  Right now the entire market "world" is a bunch of day traders, manipulators, speculators, and whales.  

4)  The Bitcoin Market has nothing to with whats going on -------> out there in the field.  In the ecosystem.

5)  The ecosystem is building its infrastructure.  Then will come consumer / enterprise adoption.  

6)  Then you will see a Bitcoin market price that is affected by its actual utility and use.

Not a day before.

Until then, the Bitcoin price has nothing to do with Bitcoin.  Its potential for success.  Nor its potential for failure.

Period.

-B-
If by "adoption" you mean merchants accepting USD payments from a BITCOIN DUMP though BitPay, or people using BTC as a store of value and losing 70% of its purchasing power in a year, then sure, "adoption".
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Legendary trader
January 10, 2015, 10:59:42 PM
#8
Why do some users make the same threads every other day?
Yea you think bitcoin is not here to stay etc... I figured. See you in couple days in your newest thread?
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