The Trader ratings system need's SOME sort of checks and Balances

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Quote from: TECSHARE on January 05, 2015, 11:48:07 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on January 05, 2015, 08:46:24 PM

The people on default trust are expected to have a certain level of maturity and professionalize themselves for being in a position of "power". That's how they get themselves on the default trust list most of the time which is why issues are kept at a minimum. Of course there will be disputes because of of different views of opinions but again, it's not often that this happens. Usually, things can be worked out just by sending a PM to the person that left the rating. I find that more times than not if it's truly a case of false trust, it'll get handled.

I'm not taking into consideration the trust left by others not on default trust. Surely false feedback from throw away accounts gets frustrating, but they won't ruin someones reputation usually.

I love how magically none of these restrictions apply to VOD.

And I love how you magically think that is true.

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Quote from: Gyfts on January 05, 2015, 08:46:24 PM

The people on default trust are expected to have a certain level of maturity and professionalize themselves for being in a position of "power". That's how they get themselves on the default trust list most of the time which is why issues are kept at a minimum. Of course there will be disputes because of of different views of opinions but again, it's not often that this happens. Usually, things can be worked out just by sending a PM to the person that left the rating. I find that more times than not if it's truly a case of false trust, it'll get handled.

I'm not taking into consideration the trust left by others not on default trust. Surely false feedback from throw away accounts gets frustrating, but they won't ruin someones reputation usually.

I love how magically none of these restrictions apply to VOD.

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Quote from: takagari on January 05, 2015, 09:02:25 PM

Thank you
This isn't a nobody, this effects me in the eyes.of a lot.of people.
this thread was started to question who put that list together. As clearly it's a joke.

I understand. There are some faults.

Hilariousandco said it well.

Quote from: hilariousandco on January 05, 2015, 09:43:27 PM

I think that's the plan and it would/does work well but when a few people on there have huge trust lists and they add everyone who has left them feedback it really dilutes the quality of the list and opens it up massively to issues and abuse. If you don't reasonably trust someone and aren't willing to partially stake your rep on the line in doing so you really shouldn't add someone to your trusted list.

The root cause of trust abuse is when too many people are added to the default trust list. This leads to irresponsible trust ratings and abuse. Perhaps checks and balances isn't the solution, but more of a cap of who is on the default trust list.

In your situation takagari, I think Vod had intentions of removing it, (can't be for sure on this) but the trust left on his account seems to have steered him away from doing so. Perhaps your solution here is to start with a clean pallet and mutually agree to remove the ratings off each other or at least have Vod put the trust rating to neutral upon the removal of your trust to him.

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Quote from: Gyfts on January 05, 2015, 08:46:24 PM

The people on default trust are expected to have a certain level of maturity and professionalize themselves for being in a position of "power". That's how they get themselves on the default trust list most of the time which is why issues are kept at a minimum.

I think that's the plan and it would/does work well but when a few people on there have huge trust lists and they add everyone who has left them feedback it really dilutes the quality of the list and opens it up massively to issues and abuse. If you don't reasonably trust someone and aren't willing to partially stake your rep on the line in doing so you really shouldn't add someone to your trusted list.

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Quote from: Gyfts on January 05, 2015, 08:46:24 PM

The people on default trust are expected to have a certain level of maturity and professionalize themselves for being in a position of "power". That's how they get themselves on the default trust list most of the time which is why issues are kept at a minimum. Of course there will be disputes because of of different views of opinions but again, it's not often that this happens. Usually, things can be worked out just by sending a PM to the person that left the rating. I find that more times than not if it's truly a case of false trust, it'll get handled.

I'm not taking into consideration the trust left by others not on default trust. Surely false feedback from throw away accounts gets frustrating, but they won't ruin someones reputation usually.

Thank you
This isn't a nobody, this effects me in the eyes.of a lot.of people.
this thread was started to question who put that list together. As clearly it's a joke.

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The people on default trust are expected to have a certain level of maturity and professionalize themselves for being in a position of "power". That's how they get themselves on the default trust list most of the time which is why issues are kept at a minimum. Of course there will be disputes because of of different views of opinions but again, it's not often that this happens. Usually, things can be worked out just by sending a PM to the person that left the rating. I find that more times than not if it's truly a case of false trust, it'll get handled.

I'm not taking into consideration the trust left by others not on default trust. Surely false feedback from throw away accounts gets frustrating, but they won't ruin someones reputation usually.

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Quote from: takagari on January 05, 2015, 08:12:04 PM

No I didn't want my trust rating only. I wanted the slander gone. You were still calling me a liar, without backing. And saI'd it would have been negative but I bitched.

So it wasn't any better. People clicking on my trust would still read that.

But what ever helps you sleep at night buddu.

Next time answer the phone rather than have your wife answer.

This is the rating that Vod left you

Quote from: Vod

Spreads FUD - calls me a liar, and a fool. I've caught him in lies at least 3 separate times now. I tried to be the nice guy and remove negative feedback, he retaliated by opening three threads on me and spamming me with PMs. THEN he added negative trust against me.

Before you consider doing any business with this fool, consider he is hot headed and acts without thought. Add to the fact he has no problem lying, and come to the conclusion he should not be dealt with.

If you want to break it down, line by line:

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Spreads FUD - calls me a liar, and a fool.

This is true. You have called him (among other things) a liar multiple times.

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I've caught him in lies at least 3 separate times now.

I haven't seen the specific lies, however they appear to be in reference to you calling Vod names trying to bash him. Overall a true statement.

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I tried to be the nice guy and remove negative feedback,

True. He did remove his trust report after he saw an explanation regarding the original zip code issue. By that time he had received several PMs and there were several threads opened about the issue. He left neutral feedback with his opinion on the situation. I do not remember exactly what it said, however I remember thinking it was generally accurate

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he retaliated by opening three threads on me and spamming me with PMs.

as mentioned above, true

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THEN he added negative trust against me.

Vod has a negative rating now, from you

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Before you consider doing any business with this fool, consider he is hot headed and acts without thought. Add to the fact he has no problem lying, and come to the conclusion he should not be dealt with.

this is an opinion and by definition opinions cannot be a lie/slander

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Quote from: takagari on January 05, 2015, 08:23:17 PM

Just what I found for your docs out of St. Albert.

But who knows, you could be lieing about being canadian

Stop lying and saying they are my docs. My docs are private and not available online.

You are very gullible, aren't you?

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Just what I found for your docs out of St. Albert.

But who knows, you could be lieing about being canadian

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Quote from: takagari on January 05, 2015, 08:12:04 PM

Next time answer the phone rather than have your wife answer.

Stop lying - you don't have my phone number. Roll Eyes

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No I didn't want my trust rating only. I wanted the slander gone. You were still calling me a liar, without backing. And saI'd it would have been negative but I bitched.

So it wasn't any better. People clicking on my trust would still read that.

But what ever helps you sleep at night buddu.

Next time answer the phone rather than have your wife answer.

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Quote from: takagari on January 05, 2015, 07:53:18 PM

No you never, you simply changed it to calling me a liar in a neutral post.

Delete it. You were wrong. Don't leave a negative, and we can be done with this. But you just need to keep with the negative crap

That's what you wanted - you posted all you wanted was your trust rating back.

Even after all the threads and childish insults and lies you posted, I STILL deleted your negative feedback last night.

I then woke up this morning to MORE lies and bullshit, and negative trust from you.

Live with your actions and their consequences. Undecided

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Quote from: Vod on January 05, 2015, 07:34:55 PM

Quote from: takagari on January 05, 2015, 07:31:44 PM

My postal code contains three zeros. Which is part of the zip code trick to use a Canadian credit card for Hulu.

But your on some high about me saying my actual postal code was 000?

Or do you in fact not have a clue, and don't think a postal code can contain three zeros?

I offered to providentify proof. And you simply ignore me.

You leave feedback, without regard.

Child, I believe you. Your postal code cannot contain 000, but it can contain three 0's. There is a difference.

I already realized I misunderstood you and removed the negative trust. Why are you still crying about this?

No you never, you simply changed it to calling me a liar in a neutral post.

Delete it. You were wrong. Don't leave a negative, and we can be done with this. But you just need to keep with the negative crap

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Quote from: takagari on January 05, 2015, 07:31:44 PM

My postal code contains three zeros. Which is part of the zip code trick to use a Canadian credit card for Hulu.

But your on some high about me saying my actual postal code was 000?

Or do you in fact not have a clue, and don't think a postal code can contain three zeros?

I offered to providentify proof. And you simply ignore me.

You leave feedback, without regard.

Child, I believe you. Your postal code cannot contain 000, but it can contain three 0's. There is a difference.

I already realized I misunderstood you and removed the negative trust. Why are you still crying about this?

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Quote from: Vod on January 05, 2015, 05:15:04 PM

Quote from: takagari on January 05, 2015, 11:12:09 AM

So this thread is here because the default trust list is clearly a joke.
How did this child ever get in it???

I'd ask you the same thing. You are the immature one. In any case, it was resolved and you decided to lie a bit more and leave me negative trust.

You need to grow up child. Canada is a superior country - don't take living here for granted. Learn to spell Canada, learn to spell Manitoba, learn how postal codes work. Roll Eyes

There you have it, he is attacking me over a postal code which is my postal code. And my spelling.
definitely justifies a negative lie.

And your neutral still called me out as a liar.
please explain how that isn't only marginally better?

My postal code contains three zeros. Which is part of the zip code trick to use a Canadian credit card for Hulu.

But your on some high about me saying my actual postal code was 000?

Or do you in fact not have a clue, and don't think a postal code can contain three zeros?

I offered to providentify proof. And you simply ignore me.

You leave feedback, without regard.

Please have a look at cods fed back, and just how many people he's done this to.

If your unable to admit when your wrong, listen to reason, or fix a mistake without leaving a neutral feedback just to get the last word in. Thanow your a child and should be removed folsom default trust list.

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Quote from: takagari on January 05, 2015, 11:12:09 AM

So this thread is here because the default trust list is clearly a joke.
How did this child ever get in it???

I'd ask you the same thing. You are the immature one. In any case, it was resolved and you decided to lie a bit more and leave me negative trust.

You need to grow up child. Canada is a superior country - don't take living here for granted. Learn to spell Canada, learn to spell Manitoba, learn how postal codes work. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 05, 2015, 02:45:34 AM

Vod said he will remove the feedback so please do the same and close all relevant threads. I know it's frustrating getting unjust feedback but the better solution is always to remain calm and try work shit out reasonably.

so he left neutral, that is a lie, calling me a liar, when I've offered to prove my postal code and that I'm in fact Canadian.
so now there's a comment from a trusted source calling me a liar, no it's not over, and now he went and cried by blocking me.

So this thread is here because the default trust list is clearly a joke.
How did this child ever get in it???

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Quote from: TECSHARE on January 05, 2015, 09:54:23 AM

I think you are just crafting a narrative here that never existed.

Much like you crafted one that never existed about there's some staff conspiracy to protect their clique and forum income by controlling the default trust list? Roll Eyes

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 05, 2015, 09:54:23 AM

I operated within the framework of what I was able to use. I was not aware of how easily it was able to be abused until I personally suffered from it.

How did you suffer exactly? Nothing happened to your feedback received or trading history and if you were never a fan of default trust why does it matter or why do you care? Funny how you wern't aware of how easily it is abused whilst you abused the very same system and ruined another's account just because you can.

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 05, 2015, 09:54:23 AM

That's not hypocrisy, its called reacting.

And that's the problem here. You over-reacted to the situation and it got out of control and you were able to escelate it knowing you had the back-up of the default at your disposal.

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Quote from: Vod on January 05, 2015, 04:27:40 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 05, 2015, 04:26:07 AM

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Quote from: TECSHARE on January 05, 2015, 04:20:48 AM

Why is it I never see anyone on the staff telling VOD to check himself?

We only wake you for the crybaby meetings?

You know nothing. Staff PM me all the time.

I am sure they PM you constantly, while they publicly attempt to shame others (like you are doing right now). That is exactly my point.

You don't have a point. The OP is being a drama queen crybaby. If the mods didn't say something they wouldn't be doing their job.

I find it funny how you were all rah rah default trust until you got removed. You are a hypocrite.

The op has every right to complain about your aggressive, careless, and destructive actions. Some one putting me on the default trust without my knowledge makes me "rah-rah default"? I think you are just crafting a narrative here that never existed. I was never a fan of the default trust, but I operated within the framework of what I was able to use. I was not aware of how easily it was able to be abused until I personally suffered from it. That's not hypocrisy, its called reacting.

My point still stands. When you go to far you get quiet private messages politely asking you to regulate your activity. When anyone else goes too far they get public shaming and the hammer. You clearly enjoy the shaming aspect of it.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on January 05, 2015, 04:26:07 AM

Quote from: Vod on January 05, 2015, 04:23:58 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 05, 2015, 04:20:48 AM

Why is it I never see anyone on the staff telling VOD to check himself?

We only wake you for the crybaby meetings?

You know nothing. Staff PM me all the time.

I am sure they PM you constantly, while they publicly attempt to shame others (like you are doing right now). That is exactly my point.

You don't have a point. The OP is being a drama queen crybaby. If the mods didn't say something they wouldn't be doing their job.

I find it funny how you were all rah rah default trust until you got removed. You are a hypocrite.

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