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March 03, 2014, 11:11:09 PM
#86
Since I posted yesterday, this coin has gotten even more rediculous.

100,851 is the total that have been mined since launch.

10,600,851 is the total including pre-mine AND mined coins.

10,500,000 is the pre-mine. (99% of total existing coins is pre-mine at this time.)

That's 10,500,000 x $71.51 = $750,855,000 at it's current rate.



The pre-mine alone is now worth more than double that of LTC and it doesn't seem likely to stop anytime soon. I'm calling it right now, this will be the most epic pump & dump in cryptocurrency to date.

I see one of two things eventually happening; either the airdrop happens in which each person from Iceland is given roughly 32 AUR (which is currently valued at $2288) and we'll get roughly 320,000 people dumping their 32 coins and killing AUR in the process, or the dev dumps whatever he can of the 10,500,000 coins he's holding from the pre-mine before the airdrop to get as much out of them and killing the coin in the process as well. Either way, this coin in dead already and people are just trying to ride the wave at the very edge. Some people are going to be left holding bags, but the only person with any potential to hit it rich in this coin is the dev.

One thing that strikes me as odd is holding the pre-mined coins in 21 separate wallet addresses. Is this to meant to buy some time to dump the coins from 1 address (500,000 AUR which is currently valued $35,755,000) while people scramble to check 21 separate addresses to verify if the pre-mine is being dumped? Is there any reason 10,500,000 AUR can't be held in 1 single solitary wallet address?

This is truly epic. I have to say I completely missed this pump and dump.
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March 03, 2014, 11:00:03 PM
#85
is things just like these that had forced me to mine litecoin only then convert it to bitcoin. in the end, bitcoin is all that will be standing and all of the "alternatives" shit coins will fail, only a few "devs" will come out of this with pockets full of cash.
 pre-mine any coin is the first red flag the way i look at it, then is the insane amount of coins that can be mined that is also killing most if not all other coins.
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March 03, 2014, 10:40:58 PM
#84
I know about this coin mining profitability but its not as much profitable, diff is terrible im currently mining other coin which gives me 80 percent of AUR revenue, i am too tired now in bed to switch all rigs and to create new accounts at another pool :/
Again i missed a train but again skyrocketed a foolish coin. Racionality is a big handicap  Angry I get slowly exhausted from that, its not healthy for the whole alt and crypto-community and value. There were too many obvious overpumps and dumps last time, just to remember:
- quarkcoin in november - do you remember, so many trolls crying nonsenses like buy quarks from botnets... and noobs who bought really made profit.
- doge - december pump, january dump, january re-pump, now slow dump
- mooncoin and kitteh - total fail crapcoins with new trick - so called "relaunch" or just by correct name: buy a coin for 7 latoshi, make hype and sell for 100 satoshi and then let it die
- vertcoin - at least first coin where the dump was not so critical ("only" 80 percent of peak value)
- bitcoin - big dump by karpeles
- mintcoin - do you remember? dropped from 8 satoshi to 4 satoshi, still gaining nice profits... then pumped to 60 in 2 days and nobody knowing why... now being dumped
- aurora - we see, everything terrible, name is shit, but so popular
- mazacoin - just someone has told to fools that he has similar coin like aurora for a nation which maybe doesnt have electricity even computers and foools bought his coin and... made big profit

and so fort, everybody will probably remember any these coin but they all repeated the same schema - nothing, then incredibly fast pump based upon bullshits and promises, then dump, sometimes re-pump and then death to prevent it from stabilizing and eating buypower from new scamcoins.


I will write a story about my life, planning first book to 2016 - 18 and maybe i will give you an english version if my sister will be willing to translate it Smiley The crypto-tullips-era will be a nice chapter. Sad but true.

Have a nice day.

And i forgot one more thing, maybe strange, maybe weird. This is one more evidence of human decadence. People are still repeating same failures, mankind getting more and more stupid and degenerated (even because only stupid and junk people have children). All previous civilisations in history were destroyed. Usually after they went evil or totallly decadent. I strongly believe, the crypto bubble is one more evidence for higher intelligency which will slowly push them to decision to restart mankind again... Like Harappa civilisation, like Atlantida, like Sodoma Gomora, like many civilisations which we just dont know because they were melt down. I dont believe in history of civilisations only 5000 years old. Its nonsense, some structures have survived much longer but no explanation and documentation (sfinx, puma punku etc. - structures over 10000 years old).
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March 03, 2014, 10:34:56 PM
#83
Oh, I'm not trying to figure out why 21 addresses, I think my theory is as good as any (actually it might be the most sound theory as to why 21 addresses, lol).

As to why people are buying them? Simple, they see a coin that has gone from $4 to $71 (which is roughly 1,700% growth is an incredibly short period of time); They're just hoping to make a quick profit before the dumping starts. And this is why we are going to see plenty of bag holders with very empty pockets, lol.
lol, but who the hell told them to buy high and sell low?   people must be high to buy them at these prices!  (btw thanks people buying these coins!)
If someone is selling, then there's someone buying which means there's going to be bag holders who will lose money; and in the case of AUR they're going to be losing a lot of money.
that's the real tragicomedy of altcoins.  It is interesting how a good story will get people opening their wallets, even with a 50% premine.  

it's coins like auroracoin that make bitcoin look safe and stable by comparison. 
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March 03, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
#82
it's a 50% premine with a value predicated on an unsubstantiated, unenforceable promise of countrywide distribution in iceland.  

to figure out if a scammer should hold a single wallet or 21 wallets to hold their coins for a pump and dump is like rearranging deck chairs on the Hindenburg.

the main thing that strikes me as odd is why people are actually buying these coins i'm mining. 

Oh, I'm not trying to figure out why 21 addresses, I think my theory is as good as any (actually it might be the most sound theory as to why 21 addresses, lol).

As to why people are buying them? Simple, they see a coin that has gone from $4 to $71 (which is roughly 1,700% growth is an incredibly short period of time); They're just hoping to make a quick profit before the dumping starts. And this is why we are going to see plenty of bag holders with very empty pockets, lol.

We know that but we cant profit from that  Angry

Tell me how i can make profit from short selling auroracoin? I will cash out the difference between the value today and value after dumping premine by icelandians (or just by preminer). I will give you the value which the coin will have in one year + 10 percent if you allow me to shortly sell your coins NOW.

Its annoying, crypto needs a possibility of short selling, all pump and dumps would be purged by that. There are 199 coins which will lose value and maybe 2-3 which will go randomly up. I dont want to seek the 1 big coin, i want to cash out your loss from the 199 other coins  Angry

Have fun short selling them, but the point is you run a very high risk of being one of the many bag holders at the end of this mess.

We know that but we cant profit from that  Angry
the pool i'm using mines auroracoin, and sells it for btc.  If you're a miner you can profit off this irrational exuberance easily because it's currently the most profitable coin to mine (by coinmarketcap/coinwarz etc. fucked up estimations).

it's important for miners as well as investors to know that auroracoin is a Potemkin currency, and not to be left holding the bag.   This is not a long-term investment for miners or investors.  If you want to make money, that's the most prudent position to take on auroracoin right now. 

mine it, sell it, and repeat. 

If someone is selling, then there's someone buying which means there's going to be bag holders who will lose money; and in the case of AUR they're going to be losing a lot of money.
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March 03, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
#81
We know that but we cant profit from that  Angry
the pool i'm using mines auroracoin, and sells it for btc.  If you're a miner you can profit off this irrational exuberance easily because it's currently the most profitable coin to mine (by coinmarketcap/coinwarz etc. fucked up estimations).

it's important for miners as well as investors to know that auroracoin is a Potemkin currency, and not to be left holding the bag.   This is not a long-term investment for miners or investors.  If you want to make money, that's the most prudent position to take on auroracoin right now.  

mine it, sell it, and repeat. 
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March 03, 2014, 10:15:51 PM
#80
We know that but we cant profit from that  Angry

Tell me how i can make profit from short selling auroracoin? I will cash out the difference between the value today and value after dumping premine by icelandians (or just by preminer). I will give you the value which the coin will have in one year + 10 percent if you allow me to shortly sell your coins NOW.

Its annoying, crypto needs a possibility of short selling, all pump and dumps would be purged by that. There are 199 coins which will lose value and maybe 2-3 which will go randomly up. I dont want to seek the 1 big coin, i want to cash out your loss from the 199 other coins  Angry
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March 03, 2014, 09:57:12 PM
#79
One thing that strikes me as odd is holding the pre-mined coins in 21 separate wallet addresses. Is this to meant to buy some time to dump the coins from 1 address (500,000 AUR which is currently valued $35,755,000) while people scramble to check 21 separate addresses to verify if the pre-mine is being dumped? Is there any reason 10,500,000 AUR can't be held in 1 single solitary wallet address?
it's a 50% premine with a value predicated on an unsubstantiated, unenforceable promise of countrywide distribution in iceland.  

to figure out if a scammer should hold a single wallet or 21 wallets to hold their coins for a pump and dump is like rearranging deck chairs on the Hindenburg.

the main thing that strikes me as odd is why people are actually buying these coins i'm mining. 
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March 03, 2014, 09:47:21 PM
#78
Since I posted yesterday, this coin has gotten even more rediculous.

100,851 is the total that have been mined since launch.

10,600,851 is the total including pre-mine AND mined coins.

10,500,000 is the pre-mine. (99% of total existing coins is pre-mine at this time.)

That's 10,500,000 x $71.51 = $750,855,000 at it's current rate.



The pre-mine alone is now worth more than double that of LTC and it doesn't seem likely to stop anytime soon. I'm calling it right now, this will be the most epic pump & dump in cryptocurrency to date.

I see one of two things eventually happening; either the airdrop happens in which each person from Iceland is given roughly 32 AUR (which is currently valued at $2288) and we'll get roughly 320,000 people dumping their 32 coins and killing AUR in the process, or the dev dumps whatever he can of the 10,500,000 coins he's holding from the pre-mine before the airdrop to get as much out of them and killing the coin in the process as well. Either way, this coin in dead already and people are just trying to ride the wave at the very edge. Some people are going to be left holding bags, but the only person with any potential to hit it rich in this coin is the dev.

One thing that strikes me as odd is holding the pre-mined coins in 21 separate wallet addresses. Is this to meant to buy some time to dump the coins from 1 address (500,000 AUR which is currently valued $35,755,000) while people scramble to check 21 separate addresses to verify if the pre-mine is being dumped? Is there any reason 10,500,000 AUR can't be held in 1 single solitary wallet address?
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March 03, 2014, 09:17:52 PM
#77

Now is a good time to invest in BTC, because of AUR.

I think this is the main take-home message of Auroracoin.

the main way people can make money off auroracoin is just like most of the other shitcoins:  mine while profitable, and sell for BTC ASAP.  

if anybody's actually buying auroracoin they're idiots.  

this thread also deserves to stay on the first forum page to offer a sober second thread for speculators. 
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March 03, 2014, 05:29:17 PM
#76
All airdrop addresses are publicly visible.  If any coins move from them ahead of the airdrop, folks will notice.

And do what about it? The Dev has deigned to remain anonymous
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March 03, 2014, 05:15:32 PM
#75
All airdrop addresses are publicly visible.  If any coins move from them ahead of the airdrop, folks will notice.
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March 03, 2014, 04:06:07 PM
#74
Crash will be EPIC

The same was said about Bitcoin 2 years ago...

Now is a good time to invest in BTC, because of AUR.

Option 1: Dev steals all the premined coins, is rich. Price of AUR drops like a rock. You are poor.

Option 2: Airdrop commences. Imagine you're an Icelandic citizen. Someone gives you 31AUR. Worth now about $1860, and you have a mind to redeem it. What's the first thing you do? You turn it into money you can use. First things first, trade them for BTC. Second things second, trade those for Iceland monies. Price of AUR drops like a rock. You are poor.

Bottom line is staying in after the airdrop date is foolish. It's a daytrader's wet dream, honestly. Nobody can write it off as a pumped and dumped dead coin until the 25th, so it's guaranteed to have some value until then.
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March 03, 2014, 03:56:35 PM
#73
Crash will be EPIC

The same was said about Bitcoin 2 years ago...

yeahh i'd rather think it will be an interesting experiment on a national scale and that its success may overplay the doomed scenario
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March 03, 2014, 03:51:22 PM
#72
Crash will be EPIC

The same was said about Bitcoin 2 years ago...
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March 03, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
#71
the true value of auroracoin is based on how long the speculator will hold this coin until 2nd gen cryptos take over with em advanced features
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March 03, 2014, 03:30:27 PM
#70
The Airdrop will happen on Cryptsy  Tongue

i think it´s to early
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March 03, 2014, 02:53:48 PM
#69
I looked around, and for some reason no one is talking about this..

I was looking up Auroracoin, and now I know why it's marketcap is insanely inflated: There are only 98476 coins in circulation, but coinmarketcap is also including all 10,500,000 (50%) of the premine coins for a total of 10,598,476 coins.

The true value of the Auroracoin marketcap is currently $2,552,498. When the airdrop happens, expect the price to eventually plummet to less than 1% of it's current value when the airdrop is finally complete. If I were an Icelander, I'd grab my free ~$900 USD and dump it right away, the price is only going to drop as the supply inflates by %10,000 in less than a year's time.

Additionally, people don't seem to realize that currently one entity controls 50% of the total Auroracoin supply (10,500,000) while there are only ~100k coins being traded by everyone else. So when the price "jumps" 60-70%, that's actually not uncommon for low valued coins; however, because the pre-mine number is included, this jump looks magnitudes larger than it really is.

People usually scream bloody murder to premine (even as *low* as 10%!), but some guy comes along and says "give me 50% premine, I promise to distribute it, trust me" and suddenly everyone is convinced.

Finally someone else that agrees with simple logic. The coin has been pre-mined by more than 50% it is currently 10,500,000/10,600,301 = 99%
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March 03, 2014, 02:25:32 PM
#68
So i just need to make a coin with 10b supply
Put 10 on circulation @ $100 each
This is it.
You have a 1 trillion market cap Smiley



I'm actually concerned this may be a new thing...
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March 03, 2014, 02:22:40 PM
#67
The price of Auroracoin will crash long before March 25th
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