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Quote from: hexitor on February 10, 2017, 12:50:35 PM

I don't agree to the universal revenue because I think that encourage the peoples stop to work Kiss

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I do not want to break your dreams, but you know, you will not live with 500€ a month. People will not leave their jobs and live with 500€, that is not possible. And if some do so, at least the hardworking ones looking for a job will find one.

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Quote from: hexitor on February 10, 2017, 12:50:35 PM

I don't agree to the universal revenue because I think that encourage the peoples stop to work Kiss

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The Communists had when you tried to create a state with such egalitarianism. What impact it had we all know. It seems to me that all earnings should be different, but it should be possible for all to have a large or small income.

Communism will always fail. A society, in which a banker, who doesn't create anything gets 95% of the money, engineer who creates gets 3%, and worker gets 2% is sustainable. If others are not slaves to the bankers then society will fail. This is the "American model".

I don't agree with you. Trump polls in America have shown that all is not well in this country as it seems from the outside. It was a protest voter against the existing order in America. Do you agree?

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Quote from: AT-N-T101 on February 10, 2017, 01:19:28 PM

Quote from: hexitor on February 10, 2017, 12:50:35 PM

I don't agree to the universal revenue because I think that encourage the peoples stop to work Kiss

!!!!

The Communists had when you tried to create a state with such egalitarianism. What impact it had we all know. It seems to me that all earnings should be different, but it should be possible for all to have a large or small income.

Communism will always fail. A society, in which a banker, who doesn't create anything gets 95% of the money, engineer who creates gets 3%, and worker gets 2% is sustainable. If others are not slaves to the bankers then society will fail. This is the "American model".

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Quote from: hexitor on February 10, 2017, 12:50:35 PM

I don't agree to the universal revenue because I think that encourage the peoples stop to work Kiss

!!!!

The Communists had when you tried to create a state with such egalitarianism. What impact it had we all know. It seems to me that all earnings should be different, but it should be possible for all to have a large or small income.

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I don't agree to the universal revenue because I think that encourage the peoples stop to work Kiss

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Quote from: criptix on February 09, 2017, 02:19:09 PM

Quote from: Hydrogen on February 08, 2017, 02:19:42 PM

The government has more land than it needs.

The best approach is to donate state land to volunteer organized communal farms which can grow food to sustain the poor.

Then other forms barter, trade or education can be incorporated as an abstraction layer on top of that to prevent it from being a dead end existence.

Communism doesnt work. That is what the sowjets did for 50 years. It just doesnt work.

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Quote from: Losvienleg on February 04, 2017, 02:44:02 PM

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

What? I'm confused.

Europe already has a universal revenue - it's called The Euro, from the European Union.

What am I missing?

Well you are kinda right, its called social welfare for the poor and bailout for the rich.
But people want to go abolish that and replace it by an easier to understand universal income system.

You probably forgot that Europe is experiencing not the best times. Let's see what the Europeans are doing now. Tightening the process of crossing borders, UK leaves the EU, France is also important.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on February 08, 2017, 02:19:42 PM

The government has more land than it needs.

The best approach is to donate state land to volunteer organized communal farms which can grow food to sustain the poor.

Then other forms barter, trade or education can be incorporated as an abstraction layer on top of that to prevent it from being a dead end existence.

Communism doesnt work. That is what the sowjets did for 50 years. It just doesnt work.

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Quote from: Losvienleg on February 04, 2017, 02:44:02 PM

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

What? I'm confused.

Europe already has a universal revenue - it's called The Euro, from the European Union.

What am I missing?

Well you are kinda right, its called social welfare for the poor and bailout for the rich.
But people want to go abolish that and replace it by an easier to understand universal income system.

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Quote from: Losvienleg on February 04, 2017, 02:44:02 PM

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

What? I'm confused.

Europe already has a universal revenue - it's called The Euro, from the European Union.

What am I missing?

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Never going to be adopted around the world and I pray that it never is, paying people just for the purpose of giving them money is just a bunch of horseshit and anyone with half a brain should understand that.

I get that if you're disabled and unable to work for that money I get it, but if you're fully able to work and EARN then you should have to. Giving out money is not going to help anyone and it's just going to further the problem present.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on February 08, 2017, 02:19:42 PM

The government has more land than it needs.

The best approach is to donate state land to volunteer organized communal farms which can grow food to sustain the poor.

Then other forms barter, trade or education can be incorporated as an abstraction layer on top of that to prevent it from being a dead end existence.

Universal income is a bad system. There are no metrics nor incentives for socialised programs to be efficient or cost effective & that is a significant problem.

I agree with you. The worst thing that can ruin any business is egalitarianism. A lack of stimulus will cause all to stop working. Just income should not have a big gap between all employees.

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The government has more land than it needs.

The best approach is to donate state land to volunteer organized communal farms which can grow food to sustain the poor.

Then other forms barter, trade or education can be incorporated as an abstraction layer on top of that to prevent it from being a dead end existence.

Universal income is a bad system. There are no metrics nor incentives for socialised programs to be efficient or cost effective & that is a significant problem.

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Quote from: Losvienleg on February 04, 2017, 02:44:02 PM

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

I think that they will devalue the currency and cause inflation on inferior goods. If all of these people are sitting at home, being unproductive members of society what will they purchase? Probably splurge every now and then and spend that $500 on a pair of jordans, but I bet the amount of alcoholics will increase in those who receive the welfare.

However, the USA as similar programs (kind of) you can get $180 cash every month and $150-$200 a month on a card that can only be used for food. This system seems to have bred poverty in innercities because all the family knows is government handouts and do not strive for anything else

Why do you think that this will create an inflation ? More money will not be printed to sustain the needs, so I think that it will at the inverse incentivise people to consumate.

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Quote from: criptix on February 05, 2017, 09:37:09 AM

Quote from: _nur on February 05, 2017, 09:30:02 AM

I bet you hate bankers and big banks right? Cheesy

Bankers hate everything, but at the same time drawn to them for money. Why? Maybe it's not the bankers? They should limit themselves in their desires? Remember that if you want to buy something on credit you want to use does not deserve it.

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Quote from: _nur on February 05, 2017, 09:30:02 AM

I bet you hate bankers and big banks right? Cheesy

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Quote from: Xester on February 05, 2017, 07:16:06 AM

Quote from: darkangel11 on February 04, 2017, 05:47:46 PM

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

If that were true then I will love to migrate to their country. I am working 8 hours a day, 7 days a week and I only earn €194 a month. While in that country even if you are jobless you will receive €500 monthly. How lucky are those guys, they are not working yet they will receive 4x of what my salary is giving me. This is kinda unfair to the workers who work so hard, the government instead of giving them money why not give them work instead that way their potentials will be useful and at the same they will earn something from their hard work.

It is true that all revenues, are this kind sometimes. We all this kind of revenues, we see that politicians or some local government are this kind. We shall know what is the true characteristics of our revenues. What are their laws to be implemented, and it is worthy to us ?

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Quote from: darkangel11 on February 04, 2017, 05:47:46 PM

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

If that were true then I will love to migrate to their country. I am working 8 hours a day, 7 days a week and I only earn €194 a month. While in that country even if you are jobless you will receive €500 monthly. How lucky are those guys, they are not working yet they will receive 4x of what my salary is giving me. This is kinda unfair to the workers who work so hard, the government instead of giving them money why not give them work instead that way their potentials will be useful and at the same they will earn something from their hard work.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on February 05, 2017, 12:43:03 AM

As for your frequent use of the word "spammer" it takes one to know one.

You compare his posts to those made by the people whom he accuses of spamming. You will notice that the latter category of posts are having much better quality than the former. Most of his posts are just verbal abuse directed against the other users. The reason why I have added him to the ignore list. Not worth the time and effort arguing with him.

Yawn.
You are known as one of the worst posters on this board who is also a putin shill. Nobody cares what you say or who you have ignored.
Sig spamming russian troll.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 05, 2017, 01:50:30 AM

Quote from: DarkElf on February 05, 2017, 12:45:01 AM

I'd like to have universal revenue it would alloy me to resign and do what I like instead of working

It is not viable in the long term. If 90% of the people resign from their jobs and try to live off their benefits, then the government will soon run out of money for these type of handouts.

Quote from: darkangel11 on February 05, 2017, 12:43:03 AM

As for your frequent use of the word "spammer" it takes one to know one.

You compare his posts to those made by the people whom he accuses of spamming. You will notice that the latter category of posts are having much better quality than the former. Most of his posts are just verbal abuse directed against the other users. The reason why I have added him to the ignore list. Not worth the time and effort arguing with him.

Why do people want to make more money..Do people just stop making money when they get to 200
No you want millions most people do.. Roll Eyes

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So sorry 90% would never sit on their butts..

Man the whole planet would just make 200 and do nothing according to you..
Everyone wants to be rich..Have you ever heard money makes money

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Quote from: DarkElf on February 05, 2017, 12:45:01 AM

I'd like to have universal revenue it would alloy me to resign and do what I like instead of working

It is not viable in the long term. If 90% of the people resign from their jobs and try to live off their benefits, then the government will soon run out of money for these type of handouts.

Quote from: darkangel11 on February 05, 2017, 12:43:03 AM

As for your frequent use of the word "spammer" it takes one to know one.

You compare his posts to those made by the people whom he accuses of spamming. You will notice that the latter category of posts are having much better quality than the former. Most of his posts are just verbal abuse directed against the other users. The reason why I have added him to the ignore list. Not worth the time and effort arguing with him.

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