Topic: The US Factor: Why Bitcoin's Price is Tied to American News and Politics (Read 432 times)

You could reason actually exactly the other way around.

Bitcoin's price expectations are related to the question: how likely is it in the future that people (or institutions) buy or sell Bitcoin?

The US could already be saturated with financial assets, even regarding cryptocurrency holdings. In the US, about 30-50 million people seem to hold crypto already, and also among institutional investors the BTC and crypto holdings are probably way superior to the world's or even the "industrialized countries"' average. While most other countries' inhabitants (with exceptions like El Salvador, UAE and Argentina) aren't still that active, and their potential adoption there is still far away from a ceiling.

Where you're right is that for me the US has a lot of potential to influence Bitcoin to the downside if it turns too anti-crypto. But the US news, from the ETF up to the Trump phenomenon, just in the last months were responsible more for bullish than for bearish movements. The bearish news, with the exception of today (where I'm not sure if the US stock market was responsible for the drop or the insecurity about the Middle East situation), were related to other factors, like MtGox, the movie2k.to coins, and the Iran-Israel tensions.

Okay, from the rest of the world the Bitcoin-related news were actually limited or neutral, for example India didn't change its crypto policy with the new coalition government, EU moved on with MiCa as expected. There was one exception though: the Hong Kong ETF approvals, which hint to a friendlier Chinese policy in the future, but almost didn't impact the market.

It still seems disproportionate to me that even minor US political or market movements seems to inmediately move the Bitcoin price, even if a correlation to Bitcoin's attractiveness for investors in many cases can be disputed. Today's US job report could for example also be interpreted as bullish for Bitcoin because of the rising probability of a Fed interest rate cut

In conclusion: For me, from a "fundamental analysis" point of view, US news have more potential to move Bitcoin to the downside as the US are already way above average regarding its crypto holdings and industry, while news from the rest of the world, led by India and China, but also the EU for example, have more potential to move it the upside. You're free to disagree of course

If we had experience bullrun before now, a lot of people would castigate what they are supporting right now, they will never allow any political movement to attract Bitcoin, even if they do, it wouldn't be that powerful like it is right now but head to the service board, they now promote political candidates and not paid but freely, delusional time I must say for Bitcoin.

A lot of them just want to influence the price, say all they want to get their money and then sell their bags and once they are done, we will come back to where we started again, that's what they want I think otherwise why would US now be something all of sudden everyone want to support. What happen decentralization that were been discussed for many years even before I knew about Bitcoin.

Have you tried this approach? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_financial_assets_per_capita


Now when you're only 4 times more populous but your average citizen holds just 6% and less than 1% of the financial assets then it means, well, you don't matter that much no matter how many plastic forks you ship via Temu!

I seriously don't understand why some are still in this denial, it's the biggest economy in the world, the financial center of this world, insane amount of money, the only military capable of power projection, a country that attracts millions and billionaires, and that actually leads in every aspect of Bitcoin ecosystem.
The US economy sneezed in 2008 and people who didn't know where actually Washinton was on a map lost their homes 8 000 km away.

Imagine if the US would turn totally anti-crypto, China way  We're f***!
Would you care if Senegal bans it? I mean I don't even know if they haven't done it already, nor does the world care!

Exactly. America is still the leading force of the global economy. Even when some countries are beginning to move away from the USD. Major tech companies and big financial markets all are based in the US. It's quite normal to see BTC (and other cryptocurrencies) react to current events in the country.

The day when the US stops being a superpower, will be the day when the crypto market shifts its attention away from it. I can imagine BTC turning into "bullish mode" if Donald Trump becomes President again. We can't predict the future, so lets hope for the best.

America dominates the global financial system. Here, events resonate globally. Just a fact. When news breaks in the U.S., wise Bitcoin holders pay attention. Like the NASDAQ tick, everyone feels it. Bitcoin is the future of money, and America will profit. The U.S. goes beyond Wall Street suits and big tech. They have the geniuses, inventors, and visionaries constructing crypto's next great thing. Thats the essential value.

Others have miners and consumers, but America innovates and sets trends. People worldwide seek leadership. Even with louder players like Hong Kong, it wont change soon. Remember Bitcoin's global reach. No country controls it. But America can be leading the way.

First of all, they want control, because that is the main obsession of all governments in the world (regardless of the political structure and level of democracy). China achieved this by completely banning mining and trading, and the US wants (according to Trump) to control everything that has to do with cryptocurrencies. The way it looks at this moment, everything seems like preparation for privatization or absolute control over the crypto sector with the help of private companies.

Of course, in this process, the goal is to make as much profit as possible, and gradually to distance ordinary people as much as possible from the idea of ​​using cryptocurrencies as currency. Bitcoin has never been a problem in terms of trading, but it was and will remain a problem whenever it comes to using it as a currency.

There are several factors that can explain the influence of American news on BTC price. First, the US is the most powerful political actor in the world. Its dominance is challenged by other powerful players, but the US still has more influence than others. Second, the US economy is the biggest economy in the world, so anything related to finances and economic policies that is going on in the US is closely watched around the world. Finally, English is lingua franca of the Internet and pretty much of the world. The US news are always in English, so they reach broad audiences.
But despite all that, I wouldn't say that the impact on the price is huge. It's just significant because there's a lot of media coverage of Trump's shift to becoming pro-crypto.

Effects can be on same direction or opposite direction and like sometimes people believe that Bitcoin is 'tied' in correlation with US. stock market, S&P 500 and so on but they later will see that correlation between these markets are not too strong or not significant enough to consider as one can affect another.

Even if the USA falls to a second position, under China, effects from strategic changes in the country will continue to have big impacts. Like how China, at the second position sometimes is a source of news, fud and cause market fall, crash and so on.

Well, the US is still the world's leading superpower. Right? While some countries are moving away from the USD, its position as the world's reserve currency remains untouched. It makes sense for the crypto market to move according to the USD's performance (or whatever happens in America itself). Things will change once US hegemony goes down for good. It's likely BTC's market price will be tied to the performance of the world's next reserve currency. It could be China's CNY, Japan's JPY, or even the EU's EUR. Who cares? As long as Bitcoin fills our pockets with money, nothing else matters.

Bitcoin price got affected by the decision of China to ban Bitcoin mining, Bitcoin price got affected by Elon Musk saying that it's not going to accept Bitcoin payments at Tesla because of environmental and energy issues and etc... Bitcoin's price got affected by SEC leaking their decision on Twitter. It gets easily affected and speculated, that's true and when a country like US makes a decision about Bitcoin, it's going to significantly affect the price. Bitcoin's price will basically be affected by every major economic powerhouse country, like the USA, China, Japan, Germany.
The USA is the number one economy in the world, its currency is the most traded currency in the world, English is the most spoken language in the world and Americans speak and write English, so news spreads easily and rapidly. There are endless reasons to explain why Bitcoin's price is tied to American news and politics.

Yeah! You would think that a currency made to detach itself from the regular financial industry would be less fragile.  But nope, Bitcoin still seems chained to the traditional economy's volatility (or instability, rather) and  it feels like Bitcoin remains in its infancy, extremely dependent on America's economic health.  Before it can genuinely stand on its own and showcase its autonomy we are jammed on this thrill ride.

It took them a long time to embrace the potential, but in the last year or two, they have done a lot in adapting and integrating crypto into their economy. For example, the SEC suddenly became interested in regulating many services, even though they had been operating for years before that.
Looking at everything, I am more of the opinion that the US government has recognized the financial potential (rather than an interest in innovation) and wants its share.

FTFY.

So to be serious: I also don't agree with everything uncle Gary and the SEC did, but their enforcement against centralized services and coins pretending to be decentralized is ok for me (simple investor protection logic), and it should also not affect Bitcoin's price at all. But I don't think that's the reason for "the US factor", as I think it's much older. Grandpa remembers a pump in 2013 which was fueled by a speech by Al Gore for example.

The obsession of the crypto sector with the US seems to have deepened in recent years, but I think this was already in Trump's presidency when it started. And of course when big parts of the mining industry moved to the US in 2021 it continued to deepen.

For example in recent years also the interest rate in the US (which has nothing to do with the SEC) impacts a lot in the Bitcoin price, much more than the Euro area's, even if the eurozone is almost as important, and I have never heard China and India's Central Banks' decisions to have any impact on Bitcoin price. I think this has more to do with the perception of Wall Street as "the center of money" and the dollar as the "world currency".

I'm not sure if I understand fully ... do you mean here that the US is more prone to adopt innovative financial products and thus get dominant in the sector? That may be true, especially for the fintech sector (which is somewhat connected to the crypto sector).

In reality however, the first big crypto companies were located in other countries, e.g. Mt. Gox as a French/Japanese company. The US adoption came later but seems to have been stronger.

That must be an interesting thread that I would love to join the discussion but since I don’t understand or can write in Spanish, I will use a google translator to read through people’s opinion and view about that. Thanks.


The fate of one thing tied to the whole economy and politics of one country is not a nice idea and I wish other countries will become power house in bitcoin use and adoption just like the US with their big influence in it.With many countries having an equal influence or shared influence on bitcoin, the volatile nature of it might reduce when big news on economy and politics comes out from one faction of it that has great influence in it. Your points are clear and with Honk Kong of BTC and Ethereum ETF could bring a change in this and China coming in to lift their ban, it has been their for too long than expected.

Remove Bitcoin and discussed other econoical things, you will see that US is one the countries that influence things. Imagine Bitcoin becomes a legal tender in the US, other countries such as China and Russia that are among the biggest economy will like to review their stand on Bitcoin and if that eventually accept by these big countries, others will followed because they all serve this countries especially the some African leqders that see Bitcoin like piece of shit.

Trump need crypto vote to win this election coming by November and he knows that nothing goes for nothing. He need to protect the miners and give them a purpose that US is a friendly place to mine because right now, this government is not help matters for miners, many of them are no longer mining because the government has forbid them from doing it but Trump is promising them a safe place to mine their Bitcoin. What I don't know is whether this will come with regulations or not because the government can't be trusted you know.

Bitcoin market price is not majorly affected by the American news and politics, instead, its only being affected by the way of how people go about with FUD, the market is majorly affected by the numbers of investors who are buying and those who are dumping, this is by what we called market demand and supply, but some will think that the economic and political activities on what is happening in US is strongly affecting the market price, which is one of the causes why some will invest and because of fear missed out and record losses on what they have invested on bitcoin because of related things like this.

After all, the United States is still the dominant country in the world and more importantly, they hold the world's money printing machine. Meanwhile, bitcoin or any other financial market to operate or increase in price, it requires money, more money, so it is not surprising that everything depends largely on and is heavily affected by them, not just bitcoin.
I don't like the dominance of the United States but I don't deny this, they are still a dominant country and have a great influence on the world in all fields. Bitcoin will not be immune to that either.

The influence of the US economic and political space has existed even before the tenure of Gary Gensler. It is common to see Bitcoiners monitoring the outcome of Federal Reserve meetings because it is certain that decisions on interest rates will affect the price of Bitcoin. But I don't think Bitcoin became a major campaign topic after Trump and other Republicans began to show interest in the sector.

The only country that would have reduced the influence of the US in the Bitcoin ecosystem is China. Disappointingly, they took the wrong step. Now, common elections have become a major event in the Bitcoin system. But we are hoping that countries like Hong Kong will grow its crypto market while other countries with dependable electric power supplies like Iran can lead the Bitcoin mining sector.

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3. The Qibla/center is not only in terms of politics, but also includes the world economy in general.

Not only about the impact on Bitcoin, but we have seen that US policy can affect every policy in every country. Therefore, there are many factors that will change regarding this presidential election. Whoever is elected, all eyes will be on him, bitcoin in this case is a piece of various other pieces, the price of gold, property, stocks, prices of goods, services, and large companies that have been established in the US will change.

That is just based on my personal view, whether it is true or not, what is clear is that I am not a US citizen but at least without realizing it, I always want to know the political situation there.

When we take into account that Bitcoin is the first truly decentralized cryptocurrency that was created precisely to have an alternative to the existing financial systems, and now all these bitcoiners (most) look to the US and some barking bully as their messiah who will lead them along the way through which honey and milk flow

You should be careful what you wish for, because it could come true - and anyone who thinks it's good for one country or one person to have so much influence on Bitcoin is seriously mistaken. The sad truth is that most people just want the highest possible price and they don't care at all about the consequences that can come from all of that.