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Fixed it- The U.S. Needs More Affordable Housing Than Almost Anyone Can Imagine.  It's more of an affordability issue than a inventory issue, esp in cities and suburbs.  The situation is so dire that folks are working 40+ hours/week and more than one job and still cannot afford.
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I believe that it's a world-wide issue, and it's not limited to house purchases but also to renting. Due to Airbnb or other similar applications, a lot of houses and apartments have been withdrawn from the housing business. I'm not entirely sure about the U.S., but European cities, and especially touristy ones, have suffered a lot. On top of that, the new trend of digital nomads is also driving rent prices up due to their ability to afford higher rents. There were even protests in Lisbon, Portugal, a while ago for this very reason. The younger generation is also unable to even purchase a small apartment due to the combination of expensive housing and low wages.
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Another problem i recently heard is that not only the buying a house is difficult in the states, renting a house in major cities is an equally challenge task, they ask that you should earn atleast 20-30 times of your Rental amount to be able to just rent the flat. Also the rental norms are so rigid that if you parents become your surety he'll have to earn double of what is the requirements for you. Which means not only buying a house but renting a house in the states is equally challenging.

not quite
its more like if a estate agent wants to charge say 30% of a income for rent. by a person bringing relatives into the "total income"  it then means the "income" reaches the threshold

EG imagine basic rent was $150 a week for a not so poverty level suburb house(min wage/poverty level being $120 rent in this example)

but a min wage person earned 400 a week
thats more then the 30% income
a min wage person at 30% should get rent at $120, not $150

but the min wage person refuses to live in the "poor" suburb, so includes  parents. that mean income is over $1.2k so they can lock in a assured income of rentable properties upto $360 based on family combined income.. so its then deemed viable to give the deal of $150 a week rent
because now its assured income, where parents (should) bail out the offspring if rent isnt paid in full

however the parents dont then hand the offspring their share to keep up with the rent($30 a week extra), they let the offspring find their own way of covering the extra $30 beyond their means
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Another problem i recently heard is that not only the buying a house is difficult in the states, renting a house in major cities is an equally challenge task, they ask that you should earn atleast 20-30 times of your Rental amount to be able to just rent the flat. Also the rental norms are so rigid that if you parents become your surety he'll have to earn double of what is the requirements for you. Which means not only buying a house but renting a house in the states is equally challenging.
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its not about house builds. its about house prices.

there is enough homes being built per year
2021 seen 1.6m home built[1]

if you look at the population growth rate of 2002-2003[2]
2003    291,109,820
2002    288,350,252

=2,759,568.. but remember its usually people growing up over 18 years then getting their own place once they found a partner..
so for every 2 births becomes a need of 1 home 18-20 years later

so population /2 = 1,379,784
(you see the homes in 2020 was 1,379,600[1])
[1] house builds
[2] population growth


so the math calculates correctly of supply/demand..

however its the market rate of inflation and crisis and mortgage interest that pushs the price.. not supply/demand

the solution is not more houses. because people will still set their prices according to their position in the costs of inflation and interest that means their break even rate.

supply/demand is usually how much "bubble" premium ontop of underlying costs.. which push prices too far if in a bubble

however underlying costs of having a home still keeps house prices above a certain amount

so the solution (repeating my self for emphasis) is not to build your way to discount.

instead its to tier-up the market to protect the housing market above a certain level from dropping whilst freeing up price bands at the bottom for starter homes/low income housing

in short the whole housing market does not need to crash to get cheap homes



its the same argument as the bitcoin tx fee
instead of everyone paying more in congestion.. charge the spammers that have utxo's of under 7 confirms pay more sat/byte. while offering lower price for those that move coins less often..
using a tiered fee mechanism
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True. They should start expanding the businesses on wide territory so that people can also move out from the densed cities. For example nobody wants to leave New York or mechanics burg in Pennsylvania because they find it appealing at the Center. The reason: employment, part or full time, you can at least survive a week and pay the rents by working extra. However if we start to move middle of nowhere then travelling would be added cost and time would be ticking like last breath.

However if the businesses and public transports start to develop more and more outside such concentrated areas then people can move out and buy cheaper houses inside land.

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Location...location...location.

That is the issue, there are a lot of places with a lot of available housing here in the US, to the point that the local governments are seizing empty properties though eminent domain and demolishing them. But, there is reason they are empty, usually due to the local economy imploding or just years of it slowly dwindling away. It's easy to point to a place like Detroit but there are plenty of small towns across the US that are just about empty. But, if you move there, there are no jobs, facilities are poor and so on.

You can put people there, and then what?

-Dave
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The United states is a country where a lot of people wants to move to, both legal and illegal immigration (I assume) contributes to the demand for housing. It is opposite what happened here in Venezuela, people left and now you can get a big house for 30k$.

I have seen videos which suggest that in many places (even in democrat states) landowners do not feel comfortable with the building of high density housing, so they vote to keep it low density, which does not help either to supply the demand for housing.
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you dont need to build millions of houses to crank the entire market rate of housing down.

instead you start a system of tier's
where certain locations be tiered at different $x/sqr m

where by as market rate of 'comps' rise. their 'tier' rises. and then that reciprocates down. to the base tier housing which moves up. and so it free's the bottom tier to then make new housing at the low level cost

EG prime real estate in the top echelons of elitism are tier rated as AAA which base value is $20k/m2

social housing as ZZZ
if someone buys their social housing they become ZZY or better straight away
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"That strikes me as a problem. No one can say just what it would take to make Brooklyn affordable for workers who don't have a college degree, render San Francisco accessible to families with kids and elderly couples on fixed incomes, or allow extended -family members in Boston to buy apartments within a few blocks of one another. That means we have no policy vision of how to make our biggest, most productive places affordable for all, and no plan to get there."

Of course, I understand your humane impulses, and the desire that all people have their own housing, but ... There is a market, there are social programs, there are opportunities for people. Unfortunately, not everyone can afford housing, as well as even more cannot afford a good car, good food, quality medicine, quality things, a good education. Unfortunately, absolutely a society where everyone has everything is a UTOPIA. All attempts to build something similar, such as communism, ended in totalitarian power, mass poverty, and repression. Such regimes, which positioned themselves as bringing only well-being and satisfaction of all the needs of the population, already at the start, limited those very opportunities, freedoms, and the right to choose. The second side of the problem is that even adequate systems cannot provide all social groups with everything they need, since the state cannot simply print money and produce free food, clothes, apartments, .... A normal state GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY to earn all this. But not everyone, as surprising as it sounds, wants to work hard to achieve their goals. Yes, there is still a layer of people who have limited opportunities, limited health ...
In a word, the housing market is also regulated by demand, the market, and consumer opportunities.
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It’s not only in the states it’s also in many developed countries like Canada. In some Canadian cities you can be a doctor or lawyer and you cannot afford to buy a house because that’s how expensive they are.

Many of this has to do with immigration and lots to do with development regulation and grants. There is a lot of land out there to build houses and many workers but developers are on purpose slowing down building to keep costs high and in the end many will leave these cities for ones with lower costs of living.
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How many homes must the United States’ expensive coastal cities build to become affordable for middle-class and working-poor families again? Over the past few weeks, I asked a number of housing experts that question. I expected a straightforward response: If you build X units, you reduce rents by Y percent—which means that Washington, D.C., needs to build Z units to become broadly affordable again.

I did not get such a simple answer. “That’s a difficult question with a lot of moving parts,” Jenny Schuetz of the Brookings Institution told me. “Are we assuming that all of these homes drop out of the sky today?” asked David Garcia, the policy director at the Terner Center for Housing Innovation at UC Berkeley. Chris Herbert, the managing director of the Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies, gave me a long response involving land prices, rental affordability, household formation, and building trends.

Still, all agreed that whatever the number is, it’s enormous. “All the numbers we have that address this question are huge. They’re massive,” Garcia said. “And they’re all a massive undercount.”

That strikes me as a problem. No one can say just what it would take to make Brooklyn affordable for workers who don’t have a college degree, render San Francisco accessible to families with kids and elderly couples on fixed incomes, or allow extended-family members in Boston to buy apartments within a few blocks of one another. That means we have no policy vision of how to make our biggest, most productive places affordable for all, and no plan to get there.

This is not just unfair to Americans who want to move to these places. High rents and sale prices in major cities are a policy choice, one that puts gates around many of our most wonderful places and taxes the folks lucky enough to live there. And it is unfair to all of us. A United States with more abundant housing in its big cities would have a more productive, vibrant, and dynamic economy too.

The best evidence for how much housing we need to build lies in the prices that people pay today. Nationwide, the share of renters who are considered “burdened”—spending more than 30 percent of their income on rent and utilities—has climbed to 47 percent; one in four renters—about 11 million—spend more than half their income on shelter. Renters today spend about 10 more percentage points of their earnings more on housing than they did in the 1970s. Meanwhile, rising prices have also forced millions of younger Americans to delay homeownership, making it impossible for many to buy their way onto the property ladder, particularly in California and New York.

People make painful choices: To keep their housing costs in line with their income, millions of families do not live where they want to or in the kinds of homes they want to or with the people they want to. When the mortgage on a townhouse is too costly, families keep renting their run-down apartment. When a third bedroom costs too much, parents give up on having a third kid. This is a public-policy catastrophe too.

The problem is largely, if not exclusively, the result of the country not permitting enough homes where people want them. Although some communities in the interior of the country, especially in the South, have allowed housing construction to keep up with rapid population growth, the superstar metro areas of the Northeast and West Coast have not. “The reason California has the affordability problems we have now is because we did not build,” said Garcia, of the Terner Center. “In the 1960s, 1970s, even into the 1980s, we built between 200,000 and 300,000 homes per year. In our most recent economic boom, we were building 100,000 a year.” He added: “That is the start and the end of the story when it comes to California.”

And elsewhere. New York City issued fewer new housing permits in the 2010s than it did in the 2000s or in the 1960s; it has, year after year, created more jobs than homes. Nationally, “household growth and new construction have been essentially coincident for the last seven or eight years,” said Herbert, of Harvard. “Typically, housing construction exceeds household formation by about 20 percent, because we’re always removing housing that has outlived its useful life. We haven’t been doing that for a long time. Just by that very simple measure, we’re not building enough.”

The answer is to build more. A lot more. Rough estimates of what economists call the “housing gap”—how much the United States would have to build to bring it back in line with historical trends—aren’t difficult to come by:

  • Looking at the number of American households and the number of vacant housing units, Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored purchaser of mortgage-backed securities, estimates a current supply shortage of 3.8 million units, driven by a 40-year collapse in the construction of homes smaller than 1,400 square feet.
  • The group Up for Growth also arrived at an estimate of 3.8 million, using data on the total demand for housing and the overall supply of habitable, available units.
  • The National Association of Realtors compared the issuance of housing permits with the number of jobs created in 174 different metro areas. It found that only 38 metro regions are permitting enough new homes to keep up with job growth; in more than a dozen areas, including New York, the Bay Area, Boston, Los Angeles, Honolulu, Miami, and Chicago, just one new home is getting built for every 20-plus jobs created. The NAR estimates an “underbuilding gap” of as many as 7 million units.

These numbers draw on data such as vacancy rates, household-formation trends, and building trends. But none of the estimates capture what I’ve come to think of as the affordability gap: the difference between the housing we have and the housing we would need in order to ensure that working-class people could once again live in our big coastal cities for a reasonable cost. Freddie Mac does not purport that building 3.8 million units would make New York accessible to big middle-class families and end homelessess in San Francisco. The National Association of Realtors is not contemplating whether janitors can walk to work in Boston.

Would filling the housing gap as measured by Freddie Mac or the NAR make a dent in costs? Absolutely, housing experts said. Studies show that when builders construct units in a given place, it reduces rents and sale prices in nearby blocks, as well as in nearby neighborhoods; conversely, restricting construction drives prices up. But such calculations do not scale up readily: Knowing that a 10 percent increase in the housing stock in a given place depresses rents by 1 percent within 500 feet does not mean that San Francisco’s increasing its housing stock by 500 percent would force rents down by 50 percent.  

As a general point, “it’s really hard to imagine the most expensive cities becoming significantly cheaper,” Schuetz told me. For one thing, creating new units would cause an increase in household formation: Young workers could opt for studios rather than shared apartments; multigenerational households could break apart. For another thing, high-income, high-cost cities have so much pent-up demand that any one city would have trouble becoming much more affordable on its own. If San Francisco built thousands of units, new parents would stay in the city rather than decamp for the East Bay. Newcomers would move in from around the region and across the world.

The rate at which a city adds new units would matter too, Garcia pointed out. Conjuring 10,000 housing units into existence overnight in Boston, which currently has about 300,000 of them, would cause prices to plummet. Building them over a decade might slow the arc of rent prices without ever causing them to fall. The kind of housing getting built matters as well. If New York were to approve the construction of thousands of single-room-occupancy units—dorms, pretty much—that would depress prices for single people and childless families without immediately affecting prices for parents.

Experts also noted that building more market-rate units would help wealthy families before it would help middle-class and poor families. “Saturating the market with more supply would naturally take the pressure off of landlords who keep raising rents,” says Stephanie Klasky-Gamer, the president of LA Family Housing, a homelessness-prevention nonprofit in Los Angeles. “But we’ll never target our most vulnerable renters if we only build 500,000 market-rate units.”

In one recent survey, just 30 to 40 percent of American adults said they believed that increasing the housing stock would slash prices and rents; that belief—often described as “supply skepticism”—in turn dampened their enthusiasm for new construction. Such mistrust is rooted in a confluence of events that countless city dwellers have seen with their own eyes: The laundromat closes. The soulless five-over-one condo building goes up. Black families leave and white couples flood in. And all the while, rents surge, making real-estate development look like an engine of gentrification rather than an engine of affordability.

But that displacement happens only because building dense housing is illegal in many rich neighborhoods, and because cities build so little of it overall. “If you want to build enough to really help low-income people, you’re talking about doing a lot of building,” Rick Jacobus, an expert on inclusionary housing and the principal of Street Level Urban Impact Advisors, told me.

As it turns out, two economists had, in a way, answered my question. Enrico Moretti of UC Berkeley and Chang-Tai Hsieh of the University of Chicago wanted to know how much GDP and productivity the United States gives up by throttling the housing supply in its biggest cities. In a blockbuster 2019 paper, they found that if New York, San Jose, and San Francisco—just those three cities—had the permitting standards of Atlanta or Chicago over the previous several decades, the U.S. economy would have been roughly $2 trillion bigger in 2009. American households would have earned an average of $3,685 more a year.

To come up with that estimate, the two economists built a complicated model that assumed Americans could move wherever their wages allowed and the housing supply would adjust as it would in a place with typical permitting standards. In such a world, they estimated in some associated work, 53 percent of Americans would not live where they are currently living. San Francisco would have an employed population 510 percent bigger than it does today—implying an overall population of something like 4 million, rather than 815,000, with 2 million housing units instead of 400,000. The Bay Area as a whole would be five times its current size, the economists estimated. The average city would lose 80 percent of its population. And New York would be a startling eight times bigger. Some back-of-the-envelope math (mine, not theirs) suggests that the United States would have—deep breath here—perhaps 75 million more housing units in its productive cities than it currently has.

I asked Moretti about the sheer size of the effects found in his and Hsieh’s work. “It’s not so implausible to me,” he said. “The differences in earnings and labor productivity between the areas that we’re looking at and the rest of the country are so big that if you expand those local economies, you get these big aggregate benefits.” In the real world, we miss those big aggregate benefits. We have less productivity and lower incomes, sure, but also less togetherness, less creativity, fewer babies, fewer vacations, fewer families living together, fewer people living how they want.

Moretti, a longtime San Francisco resident, is horrified by the city’s land-use policies and home prices. “This is something that is not just intellectual for me but very, very real, very present,” he said. He described walking by an empty lot in his neighborhood and being bothered over and over again that it never became an apartment building or even a single-family home. “It is inexcusable, not building on an empty lot. There is no way that having an empty lot in a place like San Francisco makes any sense.”


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It appears that real estate in the united states is becoming a deflationary asset when compared to population growth. This has been a consistent trend for many years. Which has allowed real estate to accumulate in terms of scarcity. On the opposite end of the spectrum, we have wages for low to middle class earners flatlining over the same time period. Making real estate an affordable luxury for an increasing number of residents. These two opposite trends have battled against each other for many years. With the government and banks reducing home loan qualification standards and offering state loans to low income demographics who could not normally afford them.

The eventual outcome remains to be seen. Many are predicting a crash in housing prices as consumers generally cannot afford them. If however a large enough proportion of real estate is held by banks. They might be able to stave off property tax payments for a far longer period than a private holder would be able to. Which could allow real estate prices to remain virtually stable even if the market was being underbought and rental demand significantly declined.

Due to the exorbitant cost, alternative options like living in a tiny house or inside a vehicle like camper or van are becoming more popular mainstream options. Perhaps that is the segment of the market to invest in as it could very well be the fastest growing.
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