The volatility volumes of Bitcoin is not the Will of man

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Quote from: gunhell16 on December 16, 2023, 08:55:28 AM

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Especially now that the halving and bull run are coming, this is not the right time to sell Bitcoin; rather, this is the time for investors who believe in Bitcoin to save. And this is what the majority of investors do here in the cryptocurrency business.

Buy then hold and yes this is the right time because the Halving Moment is about to arrive.
But Whales always manipulate to benefit themselves.
Sometimes they make a FUD that the price of Bitcoin will go down and can buy it cheaply and then make good news to pump it slowly.

The Bull run market is about to arrive, and we must prepare to welcome it.
Buying gradually and selling it when the ATH is reached, it is a perfect strategy, but it needs a backup strategy to overcome things that are out of plan.a.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on December 15, 2023, 11:30:01 AM

Quote from: reagansimms on November 26, 2023, 01:41:41 AM

Volatility refers to how much the price of Bitcoin fluctuates, it all depends on Investor interest, demand and supply which determine which direction the market will move. This factor can be considered a good thing because it gives investors the opportunity to make a profit by buying at low prices and selling at high prices. Volatility may seem intimidating to some investors new to Bitcoin, but not to most investors who have been in the crypto space for a long time. You can get big profits from Bitcoin's volatility if you have the right strategy, so it's never too late to invest in Bitcoin because its movements will always depend on how much the price fluctuates.

Investment is about timing and strategy, bitcoin is not different from that. Business is about demand and supply that is what grows volatility and it is not controlled by just the will of one single man but by market forces and sentiment. For instance in real world scenario if a product was to be scarce because of a season, naturally the price would go higher because of demand which is part of market forces. So it is not just a man made arrangements and that is what happens with commodities market, currency and crypto which includes bitcoin like you have rightly analysed in your post. Like the season for bull is approaching because of halving and investors are buying and hodling, that is expected to push the price more higher next year.

I like what you said here, dude. There is truth in what you said, and I support this thing you mentioned. If an investment is used in a trading business, the timing and strategy are included in what you said.

Especially now that the halving and bull run are coming, this is not the right time to sell Bitcoin; rather, this is the time for investors who believe in Bitcoin to save. And this is what the majority of investors do here in the cryptocurrency business.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 15, 2023, 07:59:31 AM

Quote from: Obim34 on December 15, 2023, 02:22:51 AM

I believe after this market present condition and we begin to experience much better price movement in Bitcoin many will regret why they never made haste while the sun shines. Some are predicting the price to go below before they now invest that is based on their speculation and thinking of it, if it doesn't go that way, that has become a very big missed opportunity as their might not be any correction again.

They can still invest though, but the best time could be when we are in a bear market last year, prices goes down hard due to FTX collapse to $15,500. But then again, we don't know what the future holds for us, and so there are investors who doesn't want to invest because they are afraid of the market conditions.

Just because we had bad periods doesn't mean that the next year will be one, and yes I agree that it would have been smarter to invest then, but it's still smart to invest now because we are going to have a halving and most likely than not we are going to see another increase.

We are doing fine right now, it is not too little but we are going to see some serious growth, definitely over 100k at the easiest level, probably even more and that's just the bitcoin price, we are going to have even crazier stuff at altcoins because the yare not even all that high yet, we are going to see them double or even triple the ATH prices they had, because alt seasons are even wilder than the bitcoin increases. So we better ready for it next year.

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Quote from: reagansimms on November 26, 2023, 01:41:41 AM

Volatility refers to how much the price of Bitcoin fluctuates, it all depends on Investor interest, demand and supply which determine which direction the market will move. This factor can be considered a good thing because it gives investors the opportunity to make a profit by buying at low prices and selling at high prices. Volatility may seem intimidating to some investors new to Bitcoin, but not to most investors who have been in the crypto space for a long time. You can get big profits from Bitcoin's volatility if you have the right strategy, so it's never too late to invest in Bitcoin because its movements will always depend on how much the price fluctuates.

Investment is about timing and strategy, bitcoin is not different from that. Business is about demand and supply that is what grows volatility and it is not controlled by just the will of one single man but by market forces and sentiment. For instance in real world scenario if a product was to be scarce because of a season, naturally the price would go higher because of demand which is part of market forces. So it is not just a man made arrangements and that is what happens with commodities market, currency and crypto which includes bitcoin like you have rightly analysed in your post. Like the season for bull is approaching because of halving and investors are buying and hodling, that is expected to push the price more higher next year.

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Quote from: Obim34 on December 15, 2023, 02:22:51 AM

I believe after this market present condition and we begin to experience much better price movement in Bitcoin many will regret why they never made haste while the sun shines. Some are predicting the price to go below before they now invest that is based on their speculation and thinking of it, if it doesn't go that way, that has become a very big missed opportunity as their might not be any correction again.

They can still invest though, but the best time could be when we are in a bear market last year, prices goes down hard due to FTX collapse to $15,500. But then again, we don't know what the future holds for us, and so there are investors who doesn't want to invest because they are afraid of the market conditions.

Quote from: Obim34 on December 15, 2023, 02:22:51 AM

Bitcoin volatility not being controlled by the will of man is accurately the best system it is operating as many would have twisted and as much try to make huge and consistent profits, without considering the pre-investors who are willing to invest their funds.But Bitcoin being associated with the supply and demand is a better option as new investors should get better entering price.

Volatility is beyond our control, no one can just used his hands to make the price go in either direction. The market is open for everyone so there's no manipulation here. Although there could be big whales that can own billions worth of bitcoin, but they too, can't control the market. So volatile can be our friend in the long run, as long as we know how to used it properly to our side.

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Quote from: southerngentuk on November 26, 2023, 11:27:18 AM

Volatility is a part of life, and it is also a part of the cryptocurrency market. Bitcoin price volatility can be a double-edged sword, but it also offers profit opportunities for experienced investors.

If you are considering investing in Bitcoin, it is important to understand what volatility is and how it can affect your investment. You also need to determine the level of risk you are willing to accept.

Volatility is integral part of cryptocurrency market and has both benefits and harmful effects as it dispense opportune time to buy your wishes coins and on the other hand when the market blow up then investor can also get the power to increase their money. Beginners are scared due to volatile market but when they get informed with the superiority of Fluctuations then they understand well that how to take profit and how to manage losses.

Now the market is not more volatile because it is going towards positive direction as news about halving and ETF approval are derived so there is a great possibility that coming year will be high yielding year for all crypto fans.

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I believe after this market present condition and we begin to experience much better price movement in Bitcoin many will regret why they never made haste while the sun shines. Some are predicting the price to go below before they now invest that is based on their speculation and thinking of it, if it doesn't go that way, that has become a very big missed opportunity as their might not be any correction again.

Bitcoin volatility not being controlled by the will of man is accurately the best system it is operating as many would have twisted and as much try to make huge and consistent profits, without considering the pre-investors who are willing to invest their funds.But Bitcoin being associated with the supply and demand is a better option as new investors should get better entering price.

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It wouldn't be an investment if it was controlled by men, would it? Even if it would be an investment, it won't be an advisable one to have.
Investments are controlled by the forces of demand and supply. It's the same thing with Bitcoin. It can be manipulated (even though it will only have a short-term effect) but it's still demand and supply.
When so many people are buying Bitcoin the price goes up, when so many people are selling, the price drops. All factors that affect the buying and the selling all leads to demand and supply.

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OP sounded like a typical African pastor with "the will of man" thing. It's their stock in trade to throw in that jingle whenever they want to hoodwink their gullible congregation. But of course, whatever happens with Bitcoin and its pricing is subject to the dynamics of the market, not a mere wish, desire or will. It's a battle of demand and supply. If we've to evaluate today's market volatility of Bitcoin vis-a-vis what it used to be before 2018, everyone would agree that there's less volatility now. It's boring this day not to have that volatility with which Bitcoin was known for.

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Quote from: flyingcarpet on November 26, 2023, 12:00:42 PM

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I don't know if the 40k target will come by the end of the year, but what I'm wondering is when the fix will come. It's almost time for us to enter the bull season and I think the biggest thing we need to keep an eye on from now on is correction times.

Now that improvement has been achieved, there is no need to wait for the end of the year for Bitcoin to reach the price of $40k++,
now Bitcoin is able to break through the price of $40k easily and the current highest price is $42k.

Of course, this is an extraordinary moment because Bitcoin can break through $40k after a long time.
We will see $50k as the next possible price target in late 2024.

But for now Bitcoin seems to need a little correction first before continuing its journey

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Not all traders around the world will act as one all at the same time, but we could definitely see them act together daily. I mean when the price goes up like this, does it mean that we end up with people acting differently?

Majority of the market is buying right now and that's why it is going up, which is an awesome thing and should be considered a great profit to all of us. Doesn't mean that we are not going to end up with anything that will be at the same minute, but it's daily, and it's the same movement. And of course there are sellers, because in order for someone to buy, there needs to be a seller and in every scenario there is someone selling out there but as long as the movement is good, I can say it's the buyers that make it go up together.

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Quote from: Ben Barubal on December 02, 2023, 10:57:41 PM

Quote from: EluguHcman on November 21, 2023, 11:51:21 AM

I will remain to say that Bitcoin investment is not for everybody but it proffers flexibilities exciting opportunities in both of its investors who had already invested in the Bitcoin and the pre-investors who are yet to invest.

I made this thread for a unification because if Bitcoin systematic acceleration was programmed according to the will of man, the already investors in the industry would definitely hover the volatility of the coin to keep on Bull-Running being sentimental to the markets volume that is to give affordable impressive values to its willing investors (pre-investors). Whereas... They want to keep making it count profits with no lost as a medium of deflation.

I really appreciates it that the will of man is not the will of the volume of Bitcoin volatility.
The bull-run that was so much impressive to the inventors are on a seize and now willing investors (pre-investors) has its time to take advantage and be pertakers in the Bitcoin market now.
I hope those interested in the Bitcoin investment would realize that the season for them is now and doesn't long for a lower volume else they would be left behind whereas time comes where the volume of the market also have to consider the other phase of favouring the already investors in the Bitcoin industrial markets.

Because that depends on the situation that traders around the world who conduct trading activity here in the Bitcoin or crypto space want to happen. Try to imagine: if all traders around the world in bitcoin trading were to unite at this time to sell bitcoin, what do you think would happen?

For sure, there will be a massive dump in the market, and most of the others who will not believe will feel worried and afraid of this situation. But of course this won't happen because time is different all over the world and not everyone is waking up and sleeping in different places.

though that is the problem , because this is impossible to happen mate , all the traders around the world will act as one? common man , you know that this is not happening even what happened right? Grin

then if that is the case, why not also imagine that all Traders worldwide will invest together in bitcoin? buying all the existing bitcoin now? will the price increase or bull right?

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Quote from: southerngentuk on November 26, 2023, 11:27:18 AM

Volatility is a part of life, and it is also a part of the cryptocurrency market. Bitcoin price volatility can be a double-edged sword, but it also offers profit opportunities for experienced investors.

If you are considering investing in Bitcoin, it is important to understand what volatility is and how it can affect your investment. You also need to determine the level of risk you are willing to accept.

Yeah. Just like to said that the volatility of Bitcoin is of a double edge whereas it is flexible to depreciations and appreciation and on whatever side it is, it is profefered to offer favour to its investors considering who are accumulating, who are halving who is selling out including those at the range of a short-term and the long-terms Investors.
So deliberately, it is encouraging of an investor ignoring the self-centered about the Bitcoins volatility because an expectation is come dependent on the markets flexibilities without considering investors expectations.

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Quote from: EluguHcman on November 21, 2023, 11:51:21 AM

I will remain to say that Bitcoin investment is not for everybody but it proffers flexibilities exciting opportunities in both of its investors who had already invested in the Bitcoin and the pre-investors who are yet to invest.

I made this thread for a unification because if Bitcoin systematic acceleration was programmed according to the will of man, the already investors in the industry would definitely hover the volatility of the coin to keep on Bull-Running being sentimental to the markets volume that is to give affordable impressive values to its willing investors (pre-investors). Whereas... They want to keep making it count profits with no lost as a medium of deflation.

I really appreciates it that the will of man is not the will of the volume of Bitcoin volatility.
The bull-run that was so much impressive to the inventors are on a seize and now willing investors (pre-investors) has its time to take advantage and be pertakers in the Bitcoin market now.
I hope those interested in the Bitcoin investment would realize that the season for them is now and doesn't long for a lower volume else they would be left behind whereas time comes where the volume of the market also have to consider the other phase of favouring the already investors in the Bitcoin industrial markets.

Because that depends on the situation that traders around the world who conduct trading activity here in the Bitcoin or crypto space want to happen. Try to imagine: if all traders around the world in bitcoin trading were to unite at this time to sell bitcoin, what do you think would happen?

For sure, there will be a massive dump in the market, and most of the others who will not believe will feel worried and afraid of this situation. But of course this won't happen because time is different all over the world and not everyone is waking up and sleeping in different places.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 25, 2023, 07:56:37 PM

Bitcoin is an investment that rewards those with a long time preference. In addition, traders also like to harness the short term volatility to make money. I personally think the only ones who win when it comes to traders are the exchanges that take fees from them, but I’m sure there are stories of the few who traded their way to massive riches.

The traders that you're talking about are probably the people that have done great in futures trading, that's the only way I think that someone is able to make a massive amount of money trading since you can make a lot of money in the futures as my friends have said but those comes with a really great risk so treading lightly in futures trading is an absolute must for many people.

I do disagree with the title though, that volatility comes from a high volume of traders doing trades every second and those movements are what's causing the volatility that many people are so afraid of so in a way, bitcoin's volatility is the will of the men because whatever we feel like it, bitcoin moves to that direction although we don't know it and have no control over it.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on November 23, 2023, 07:50:16 PM

I thought CZ news would have a side effect on Bitcoin price but it hasn't yet, rather the market keeps standing strong unshaken. Where I am looking out for the bitcoin price to fall in price, is when CZ tries to pay $4.3 billion charged fees against him through bitcoin. He may likely sell some of the Bitcoin he has on the Binance exchange. That will for sure decline the price of bitcoin. I am patiently waiting for that to happen so that I can accumulate more Bitcoin at a discount price.

This is actually why this thread was created buttressing that the price of Bitcoin that is to attract or excites its investors is not determined by the investors will bit all termed to the wills of the day Bitcoins volatility. Just to and accumulate my dear because the current rates against your awaiting expectations might been worsen whereas the price of the coin is increasingly appreciated.
I guess you might end up regretting with some mathematical analogies that.... If I knew Bitcoin would be of higher price as today, I would had invested and accumulated when the price was high while I was waiting for a low price.
The volatility of Bitcoin is just certainly undermined and that is why even the experts are liable to fail on the Coins predictions.

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Quote from: fzkto on November 26, 2023, 04:26:50 PM

It seems to me that volatility has no effect on investors. Investors feel normal when the market is bullish and bad when the market is bearish. Only traders can profit because of volatility in the market. But often volatility is a sign of the beginning of a trend.

Even though it is not really affected by investors, investors also really like good volatility in the market because those who have been investing for a long time are definitely also expecting good things in the market so that their enthusiasm to continue investing will increase even more. except for investors who have not invested in anything so they will not at all respond to any volatility that occurs in the market. Because investors who have invested will also gain profits when the volatility becomes better even though the level of profit is not what they want.

Quote from: jeraldskie11 on December 02, 2023, 09:54:09 AM

When the market is volatile, investors, in my opinion, benefit greatly. Bitcoin has higher volatility than forex and stocks; if you invest in Bitcoin, your profit potential is quite high, whereas investing in stocks takes a long time. However, there is a disadvantage when volatility is strong because the price might drastically move in the opposite way, perhaps causing you to lose if you set a stop-loss and got hit.

I think in terms of investing there is no need to set a stop-loss to avoid anything that could happen in the market or in other words to avoid losses. Because investors are not trading, setting a stop-loss is not that important for them because it is only useful for traders who are looking to make a profit by setting a stop-loss to avoid experiencing losses.

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Quote from: southerngentuk on November 26, 2023, 11:27:18 AM

Volatility is a part of life, and it is also a part of the cryptocurrency market. Bitcoin price volatility can be a double-edged sword, but it also offers profit opportunities for experienced investors.

Experienced investors will never ignore anything in the market and prices, especially Bitcoin price volatility. So they will always prioritize things like that even though it seems as if they don't think about it because they are already very used to the market and also in terms of investment. So they no longer see this as a problem because they have seen how price volatility in Bitcoin can be created very well at certain moments.

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If you are considering investing in Bitcoin, it is important to understand what volatility is and how it can affect your investment. You also need to determine the level of risk you are willing to accept.

Your advice is quite logical and makes sense, but it only needs to be understood by those who are still beginners and have little experience in the field of crypto and Bitcoin investment. Because experienced investors will definitely know this very completely and thoroughly when they invest in Bitcoin. Investing in Bitcoin does not need to be seen as complicated or quite difficult because everyone can do it as long as they have enough capital and experience and knowledge about Bitcoin in more detail.

It seems to me that volatility has no effect on investors. Investors feel normal when the market is bullish and bad when the market is bearish. Only traders can profit because of volatility in the market. But often volatility is a sign of the beginning of a trend.

When the market is volatile, investors, in my opinion, benefit greatly. Bitcoin has higher volatility than forex and stocks; if you invest in Bitcoin, your profit potential is quite high, whereas investing in stocks takes a long time. However, there is a disadvantage when volatility is strong because the price might drastically move in the opposite way, perhaps causing you to lose if you set a stop-loss and got hit.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on November 26, 2023, 02:54:27 PM

Quote from: southerngentuk on November 26, 2023, 11:27:18 AM

Volatility is a part of life, and it is also a part of the cryptocurrency market. Bitcoin price volatility can be a double-edged sword, but it also offers profit opportunities for experienced investors.

Experienced investors will never ignore anything in the market and prices, especially Bitcoin price volatility. So they will always prioritize things like that even though it seems as if they don't think about it because they are already very used to the market and also in terms of investment. So they no longer see this as a problem because they have seen how price volatility in Bitcoin can be created very well at certain moments.

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If you are considering investing in Bitcoin, it is important to understand what volatility is and how it can affect your investment. You also need to determine the level of risk you are willing to accept.

Your advice is quite logical and makes sense, but it only needs to be understood by those who are still beginners and have little experience in the field of crypto and Bitcoin investment. Because experienced investors will definitely know this very completely and thoroughly when they invest in Bitcoin. Investing in Bitcoin does not need to be seen as complicated or quite difficult because everyone can do it as long as they have enough capital and experience and knowledge about Bitcoin in more detail.

It seems to me that volatility has no effect on investors. Investors feel normal when the market is bullish and bad when the market is bearish. Only traders can profit because of volatility in the market. But often volatility is a sign of the beginning of a trend.

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Quote from: EluguHcman on November 21, 2023, 11:51:21 AM

I will remain to say that Bitcoin investment is not for everybody but it proffers flexibilities exciting opportunities in both of its investors who had already invested in the Bitcoin and the pre-investors who are yet to invest.

I made this thread for a unification because if Bitcoin systematic acceleration was programmed according to the will of man, the already investors in the industry would definitely hover the volatility of the coin to keep on Bull-Running being sentimental to the markets volume that is to give affordable impressive values to its willing investors (pre-investors). Whereas... They want to keep making it count profits with no lost as a medium of deflation.

I really appreciates it that the will of man is not the will of the volume of Bitcoin volatility.
The bull-run that was so much impressive to the inventors are on a seize and now willing investors (pre-investors) has its time to take advantage and be pertakers in the Bitcoin market now.
I hope those interested in the Bitcoin investment would realize that the season for them is now and doesn't long for a lower volume else they would be left behind whereas time comes where the volume of the market also have to consider the other phase of favouring the already investors in the Bitcoin industrial markets.

Bitcoin price volatility since Bitcoin was first created is purely due to market demand, not due to manipulation by the creator of Bitcoin or a company that makes Bitcoin, Bitcoin is not a centralized asset, unlike altcoins which can be pumped and dumped at will by the creator of the token. Soon the halving will happen and if we look at the history of Bitcoin prices every 4 years, we will see that Bitcoin prices will definitely strengthen at that time and that is something that cannot be avoided. Ordinary people definitely think that the price of bitcoin is manipulated by a company, the price of bitcoin is purely market sentiment, traders must also understand that.

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