Topic: The whole reputation system is pure garbage - page 2. (Read 822 times)

What baffles me the most from this ridiculous topic is this part:


I highly doubt that either suchmoon or Foxpup ever stole anything from you.

Really? All the police have an evidence first before arresting someone? Wow, so the cases of planted evidence isn't real? That analogy isn't really helpful if you're defending or on the side of the DT members because it implies that they can give someone red trust with impunity.
You literally have the word "removed" in the reply that I've quoted, what do you mean you're not talking about removing feedbacks from inactive members. Loan defaulting is another case though, I think that there's should never be a removal even if they've paid their defaulted loan, maybe just changing it to neutral to indicate that this person has defaulted a loan but have paid it eventually. Even if it's not removed, pretty sure other DT members can step in to leave a neutral trust so as to help them clarify the information about why there's still a red trust.

No, I disagree with you on this very statement of yours about the "Trust system" being a complete garbage, because I strongly don't think any forum member will give a user negative trust if he/she hasn't gone against the rules of this forum, which in your case, I just saw that your first negative trust was as a result of you trying a buy a "Hero" member account 5yrs ago i.e 2017, which you ought to have known with your 3yrs experience that it was against the rules and could likely result to your ban. Because the "Trust system" has done more good than harm, as it helps us easily identify alleged forum scammers and the trusted reputable forum members.


Link: https://archive.is/QvnqD

Negative trust given by both actmyname and The Sceptical Chymist

I completely agree with. Before dealing with someoene it would be best to check all feedbacks, maybe also pay some attention to feedbacks left by non DT members, especially if it have reference. One negative maybe won't ruin your reputation, but still, it doesn't looks good. IIRC, there was several cases when theymos removed no longer valid feeback which was left by member who passed away.

Some another DT member can leave a review with explanation of a new condition. Negative tags not a number only. When someone wants to learn about someone else he reads all feedback and then can make conclusions basing on that. We know several stories when forum users have some negative tags but it doesn't really matter, they don't have big problems with that because it's or irrelevant from the start or become irrelevant.

Each case should be considered by itself. If there is some really big problem, I think we can ask admin for help. But in mostly all cases there's no need in that.

I'm not talking about removing feedbacks left by inactive members, most of it remain to be legit and valid. But there is some cases feedbacks become wrong. Let's say user receive negative trust for not returning loan. And after some time user who left him feedback dies or simply become inactive. User repays loan, but he still can't get rid of red trust. Offcourse, it would be wrong to remove all feedbacks left by inactive member or remove him from DT because all other his feebacks remains legit. For now such issue doesn't happens often, but eventually it will become more frequent.
Sometimes DT members leave negative feedbacks when they have personal war against certain member or giving relatiory feedback, but that's not one of these cases. It's not that OP didn't deserved all feedbacks he got.

Logically, when the police arrest someone, they must be accompanied by strong evidence, not based on wanting to show that authority is in their hands or the rank that is on their shoulders. DT members don't have any arrogance or personal grudges when sticking someone's butt with red paint, they work according to the rules that apply in the forum.

Op thinks like that because he feels he is standing in the right position, according to his point of view he has never felt he has ever made a mistake so he assumes that DT members have abused trust by damaging his reputation. I am one who believes in the workings of DT members who are still in a neutral position, they will not touch anyone if they have never made a mistake that has crossed the line in the forum.

Removal of the negative feedbacks from inactive members will defeat the purpose of that system, the feedbacks serves as a warning and caution for other people that might engage the person that has the feedback in the future so the system works just fine. Of course OP would say that it's unfair because he got almost all of the DT members on his bad side not to mention that the feedback is mentioning extortion which I think is a pretty serious offense, I mean isn't that a crime irl? His case isn't definitely one of those unfair ones, DT members in my experience in the forum aren't vindictive and logical when it comes to giving someone the ever infamous red trust.

Well, I'm still here with no big scam accusations, except for the misunderstanding about the free gay pornography which I still maintain is not a scam.

My anilingual orgies are no business of yours. They're not even included in the pornography package (perhaps that's the source of the misunderstanding).

I am sure he is suggesting Yogg.
VOD's reputation is because of OG and VOD can not stand along with each others.
Lauda, we all know how s/he was.
suchmoon, revised the tag to neutral, I think that's not his concern anymore.
Foxup Foxpup is having fun since then with his merit recycling troll club. I think it was for cryptohunter only.

He hasn't specify anyone else, I will not analyze them 🤣

Your account didn't get destroyed, you whining whelp.  You were able to log in and bitch about a problem that you didn't and probably never could have solved while you were active in 2020.  And if you still think it's destroyed, stop trying to use it and just go away.

Big scam accusations, eh?  That's disingenuous, because as you probably know quite well, most DT members of the old era had pages of negative trust and the vast majority of it is retaliatory.  Example: click on my trust page and have a good looky-look.

I forgot you even existed.  Then I looked at your trust and saw that I tagged you in 2018.  Is that showing up red for you?  By the way, what's all this ass licking you're referring to?  Please, enlighten all the members who haven't been here while you were off in space masturbating.

So summarizing, as I see it, we don't really have any big disagreement in this case. I agree that a situation when several DT members are wrong in the same case is something unusual, I just say that it is possible. And as for this case if there will be no strong arguments from OP I suppose there's no reason for own research. Red tags for account or merit trading is what I support. So even if other tags could be revoked some way it has no real sense to waste my time on that.

The system is far from perfect but we have choice to make it better. Give people reasons to hear you. Ignore people who always find you are a problem. You are always open to be friendly to others. If you have no one here to trust you, to hear you then try to make friends. If you can not make friends then this is not a place for you.

After all these years you still have the anger in you.

So, can you suggest alternatives to current trust system? Ok, even if red trust from inactive members would be removed, your account still would be full of negative feedbacks. You want to say that all these feedbacks aren't valid? OK, I'm not going deep into it and argue about it.
I only can see problem in some cases with feedbacks from inactive DT members, but I don't think that your case is one of these.

That means I have lied to myself severally on this issue. In as much as I will not totally disagree with you on this, I strongly believe that it will only be in a rare situation that upto or more than 5 DT members will be wrong on a particular issue.

Whenever I see an account painted with alot of red tags, I do not bother going through all case by case. What I simply do is check the uniformity of the tag. If 8 out of 10 negative tags are pointing to one offence, I'll simply assume it's true. I only investigate more when there are significant inconsistent or contradiction among the DTs that left the tag.


You have a strong argument here and I tend to agree with you. Although, DT is more lenient these days than before. But one thing is that, once an account is not trusted by majority and there appears to be a slight reason to tag the account, no one will have the guts or courage to defend the account.
So, most times, the consequences of previous tags is more tags with less solid reasons.

1. If we saw that there are good arguments for that that feedback is all wrong we can do many things. In another topic some users decided that one from DT was wrong and distrusted him so his voice become less important. It is a hard decision so there could be other possible decision: if it was obvious we could write a good explanation why some DT members were not right and why their tags should not be taken into account and then leave neutral or positive reviews with links on that. And these are just two options we can do ourselves, not asking admin for help. So we are not so powerless and helpless.

2. There were not all DT members who left the tags for him. Just several. And even a group of DT members of course can be wrong. And while I was looking through the reviews with blaming him in DT manipulation I thought it could be something like that, because DT manipulation should lead to distrusting not to negative tags. But then I saw some tags left for accounts trading and it is not something wrong to tag for it. So I decided not to waste time on research if later tags were right or wrong as it was long ago and matters not much in this case.

If OP wanted to get some help from community it is he who should give arguments case by case. It is not what others have to do for him. And I see just his emotional harangue but no arguments to think about.

Op, I would have had much to say, but I went to your Trust profile to read the feedbacks and I wanted to follow them case by case but then I realised it will be a total waste of time because;
1. I cannot undo the feedbacks
2. All the DT members cannot be wrong at the same time.
You had at a time attempted to manipulate the trust system openly and the system fought against you.

But since you noticed that majority of the people that left you the tags which you considered unjust have left the forum, you would have allowed the account to go with them than coming to put up a reputation garbage drama.
Meanwhile, I'll  greatly align with JollyGood here. If you have a better and maybe flawless approach to the trust system, kindly suggest same to theymos. He'll be glad.

Umm... excuse me, I didn't mean to ruin the mood, but... wouldn't your statement, that the current reputation system --and by it, you actually tried to say DT system-- is garbage a tad bit contradictory? Given you utilized the very same system to try to remove one particular negative feedback from sticking to your profile?

It's useless for you to make this thread by mentioning several names of forum members who have been inactive for a long time, it will not make your account clean of red ink. 9 Red trust urged me to immediately see your Trust summary, there one member of DT @Vod gave an ultimatum in your Trust summary comments. There his attitude is very clear, he will not revoke Red trust for any reason. It's hard clean up your account's reputation if you refer to references used by DT members, especially since some of them have long since left the forum.
Give us one reason to support your accusation by calling This reputation system is pure garbage, your anger is so groundless, DT members will not act rashly when throwing chili peppers into someone's ass.

Did you send any PM to theymos explaining you had better alternatives to the current DT system? I presume you do have better ideas therefore you should have written to him and what did he say as a reply especially since you mention the reputation system is pure garbage which is supporting scammers.

Would you elaborate on what exactly could or should be done that would improve this forum in a multitude of ways including making it safer for newbies to not be scammed and for spammers and scammers to be easily and swiftly dealt with.

And, after reading your trust history I wondered if you would you also take the opportunity to explain why you used this forum to make threats of violence against other forum members.