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For the umpteenth time, Americans don't want to do those jobs because THEY DON'T PAY ENOUGH because you're MASS IMPORTING STRIKE BREAKERS from Mexico! It's not because we are lazy.  If  meatpacking plant or farm hand paid $20-30-40 and hour, probably you'd see homeless bums put down their crack pipes and put on work boots.


I don't understand what makes an immigrate different from your average American either.  Specifically, the fact that WE CAN'T IMMIGRATE TO THEIR COUNTRIES.  If poor countries want continue define citizenship along racial/ethnic/national/religious lines, then I have no qualms about arresting, deporting, fining, and generally making life miserable for them.  Seems fair enough.  As they would tell you in Mexico, "This is OUR country, go home."

The chart can be misleading, which is why I mentioned taking notice of the scale.

Here's what it looks like relative to the population:





I bet you've given rides to plenty of people with good jobs.  



The average price that someone buying a single family home is $400k.

The average monthly rent is around $1500, unless you qualify for some sort of affordable housing program for people with lower incomes, then I believe you can get an apartment for under $1k/month in many parts of the country.





I don't understand what would make an immigrant living and working in America, paying taxes and raising a family different than your average American.  

We're all humans.  It's not like we don't have enough room.  And most of us are only in America today because someone else immigrated here sometime in the past 50-150 years and then found a job and raised a family.  Although, in your defense,  there's a good chance that when your family immigrated to America they were treated like crap by those who were here before them.  If you're Irish, they English protestants were dicks to them.  If you're Italian, the English and the Irish were dicks to them, etc.  But what's the point really?  Without immigrants America wouldn't be one of the most successful Nations in history and you'd probably be doing manual labor instead instead of chilling in your car and fucking around on your phone all day.

The joy left-wingers must be feeling when they get his in the mail:

https://d.latintimes.com/en/full/560801/reddit-immigrant-postcard.webp?w=736&f=212e350ebb0bdcbb767acff7c2a28f7d

"I'm gonna go make up the guest bedroom to get ready for our new guests!"

Just kidding, we all know most leftoids are career university students who live off their parents.

But reading his own writing crap is the only way he feels good enough about himself to get out of bed in the morning... except when he falls out, now and again.

Thanks for mass importing more strike breakers from Mexico, Bro!  Way so support the working class!  You must spend all day around working folks to have your finger on the pulse of America like that. Major sarcasm starting to pile on now. 


The only point when it was lower was during the pandemic.
And the US has been in decline for... about 20 years now, so your data not sayin much.  Clearly at an unhealthy historic low. But eh, nothing mass importing 10 million more strike breakers from Mexico can't fix, amirite? 



Captain obvious here: THERE ARE NO GOOD JOBS IN AMERICA! DUHHHHH.  Millions of people would not be waiting on Uber and other shit apps for fares and jobs if there were.  Stop LYING TO US!
But I'm sure you'd like it if Uber hired migrants and cut wages even more.

Sounds like "Learn to code", the mantra of NYTimes dick heads who look down on regular people


Of all the things you've said, this is the dumbest and most out of touch.  Just ignore the homeless encampments!
lol, average home price is like $400k.  You're really nasty to normal Americans atp.  You must loath regular people.


And 12 years in school for ONE KID comes to $180k, hmmm... not to mention healthcare costs, generally driving up the price of everything and driving down wages.  Migrants = locust, deal with it.

In summation, you've essentially said "I hate America, I hate Americans.  There are no real struggling folks in America.  All poor folks in America are just lazy and stupid."

You don't even recognize the existence of the people you're up against.  No wonder they support Trump.  I

This contributes to the labor shortage.

This isn't true, but yeah Americans that choose not to work contributes to labor shortage.

(note the scale on this graph.  The current rate is only 4% lower than the 20 year high)


Not sure your angle here on how it's relevant.  Sounds like Uber could solve this problem and make more money by reducing driver pay though.

Only if you think all jobs are bad.

There is plenty of affordable housing in America.

A single immigrant working minimum wage for 18 years while their kid grows up will pay over 50k in taxes on the conservative side, not including 7% ss and medicare tax - which they will only benefit from because they worked for 10+ years.  All the immigrants that work a few years and leave, their social security payments go to you.

Martha's Vineyard.  Full multi-millionaire Democrats who own 6 bedroom vacation homes that are empty half of the year.  It's even a sanctuary city!  Oh right, they didn't want migrants there 

Actually, the right place for them is back in their home countries where they can clean up their own act.  They have too much pride in their own culture and this makes them unwilling to change.  That's their fault.  Figure it out. 

OK, then where would be be right to drop them?

In Canada we are aware we are going to get an exodus of immigration from the US.   We don't worry about keeping them out - we would rather plan for their location and logistics, esp so they don't get hungry!

11M views - don't watch unless you want to stay awake all night... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BrCvZmSnKA

Yes, once again, "Slave labor is good because we get cheap veggies."  Thank you Mitt Romney, for your outpouring of sympathy towards your own people...  And I can't believe native born US citizens don't want to slip around on cow guts in a meat packing plant, or clamor around on icy rooftops nailing in shingles, risking life and limb for $12/hr with no benefits.  Of course, if millions of migrants weren't here, such jobs would pay $30+/hr, and the job would actually be worth doing, as it was in our grandparents' time.

Regarding some countries having better treatment for immigrants... Yes, those countries are all Western countries.  Now, let's go to Mexico and see how they treat foreigners:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiIfRD6zwhI

And look at that!  "Go home, gringo" over and over again.  "You're driving up prices on us!  Whaaa!"  So what were millions of Mexicans doing to us all this time?  Shockingly self-centered attitudes down there, but it's par for the course in developing countries.

Now let's go to India... oh yeah, racist beyond belief, bursting at the seams with nationalist/racist/ethnic/religious pride.  They've taken ZERO migrants, and sent 18 million abroad.

You don't need to feel guilty for these people.  They've made their choice.  They don't subscribe to your liberal, globullist, multicultural world view.  They reject it outright.  They only want freebies.  They think Western kindness is weakness and stupidity to be taken advantage of.

FTR I'm 100% fine with multiculturalism, but it has to be reciprocal.  They can't come here until they actually embrace the concept and let us go the other way and do the same.  They can't buy land here until we can do the same there.


What labor shortage?  It's not a labor shortage, it's a Wall Street power grab:

-14% of US working age males aren't working
-the US workforce participation rate is the lowest it's been since women entered the workforce in the 60s
-Uber is locking out drivers cause too many already waiting for a fare
-There are no good jobs in America
-There is no affordable housing in America

What a nice virtue signaling person you are to step directly over millions of struggling Americans to help random scabs and strike breakers coming up from Mexico. 

Regarding their alleged "tax contributions", just one kid costs $16k to send to public school for a year.  No migrant is paying $16k into the system.  Many end up on SSD and go back to their home countries where they continue to collect for years...

People make economies.  Immigrants are people.  They work, which helps businesses, which helps other people.  They pay taxes, which helps the government, which helps other people.  I'd bet you've eaten a lot more food than you'd think cooked by an immigrant off of plates that immigrants washed.

Right now in America there is a labor shortage with low unemployment.  That means there aren't enough people for all the jobs.  That's with almost 20% of the work force being filled by immigrants.

What do you think would happen to the economy if it lost almost 20% of it's workers?  

They're just people.  Just like you and me.

People go the the United States because the wages are high when compared to the minimum wages in their native countries, that is fact and even with the "bad economy" and alledgedly high unemployment rates you continue to talk about it seems there is always jobs for immigrants. Perhaps, there are jobs in the USA which people born there are not willing to do but desperate inmigrants are okey with? like picking up fruit in a summer afternoon or cleaning the toilets in a restaurant? I don't know, just guessing.
Also, the treatment you would get if you went to another country pretty much depends on the country in question, there are countries which are more open to immigrants than others. My country in the XX century was a very good example of one which pretty much allowed all European refugees to get in so they could flee from war in Europe, they were welcomed with open arms and we did not ask them for further documentation beyond their names and their country of origin.

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Is 100% Pro Wall Street BS.

Virtually all US media coverage has been 100% pro-migrants, treating them like the Messiah and his Disciples coming across the Rio Grande.  Even right-wing FOX tends to be pro-migrant, merely because it keeps wages low for Wall Street.

And "Growth"?  How is that good for normal people?  Again, it's only good for Wall Street profits.  For everyone else, growth means more traffic, longer lines, higher prices, higher rent, and lower pay.

There definitely IS a clear double standard in how migrants are treated, namely how much better they are treated in the West than in their own countries where they will be screaming "This is OUR country!  Go home gringo!"

Developing countries are the most racist, right-wing, backwards places on the planet, and you totally ignore this! I mean, HELLO?  10 ton elephant in the room!

Yes some politicians and media outlets treat migrants is alarming. They deny migrants humanity to divide people and gain power which can have devastating effects. We hav seen this before in Nazi Germany and Cambodia where it led to brutal persecution and atrocities. It is shocking to see this happening in US where migrants are blamed for societal problems. But  US was built by migrants and their contributions drive growth and prosperity. There is clear double standard in how migrants are treated based on their background. And you are right migrants from Ireland might not face same hostility as those from Haiti.

That all reads like a globullist MSM parody to me.  "Slave labor is good cause we get cheap veggies." 

Hard to see how you expect Haiti to develop properly when you're hellbent on stealing their best workers.  But again, the real goal here is to help Wall Street, and American workers will suffer as a result.

 I will now repeat the most relevant facts which you ignore:

-14% of US working age males aren't working
-the US workforce participation rate is the lowest it's been since women entered the workforce in the 60s
-Uber is locking out drivers cause too many already waiting for a fare
-There are no good jobs in America
-There is no affordable housing in America

What universe do you pro-immigrant folks live in?  Wall Street has repackaged strike breakers and union busters as a faux humanitarian agenda and it's just comical AF that you people buy this narrative.  Migrants already have one country, they don't need two.  If we tried to go to their country, we would be treated very poorly and given no rights.

More rational countries help their people to get access to college without getting eternal debts, so the nation does not need skillful workforce from other countries.
Actually, the United States benefit much from people with college education moving there without their banks and taxpayers to have invested in those people by educating them at all.
Just think about the amount of money governments from developing countries spend in their students so they can graduate and help the country to develop technology and push forwards, and instead an important percentage of them emigrate after completing their studies. Brain drain is one of the most revelant social phenomena which the USA has taken advantage of, being the most classical example of it Albert Einstein.

In more rational countries, immigration is restricted to jobs that a local person can't reasonably do, like doctor.  I'd say America is one of the least racist countries in the world.  Developing countries, racist AF though.  They're xenophobic AF, nationalist, homophobic, elitist, patriarchal, etc etc etc, and too proud to change, can't even be bothered to stop burning their garbage in the street.  You don't need to feel sorry for them.  They're proud of their racial/ethnic/national/religious identity which you are excluded from.


BP is supposed to forcibly turn them around at the border and tell them this is not an approved port of entry, entering here is a crime that carries a $5000 penalty.  Go apply for asylum through the proper channels, and bring evidence not just stories.  Also, being poor or from a corrupt country doesn't qualify you for asylum.

We have our own problems, many Americans are worse off than people in developing countries.  There is no affordable housing here.  Why would you come here?

What is your definition of low-skilled, by the way. That is also revelant for this discussion. Are you implying the government of the United States is supposed to only admit into the country those who have a college degree or those who can prove to have skills and formation over the average of the rest of the country? Because that would be quite a radical thing to do, and besides, that would not solve the problem of the implicit racism which exist within American society nowadays.
Are border patrol officers supposed to ask people entering illegally into the USA whether they have profesional qualifications before even asking if they have reached the border seeking for asylum, or whether they are being politically prosecuted in their home countries?

One needs to be careful with those scenarios before creating a dangerous precedent.

Nah, they're just gaming the asylum program that is meant for political dissidents.  Any reasonable govt would deny their application upfront, not give them a free work permit while they wait years for a judge to dismiss their specious claims of asylum, by which point many will have anchor babies and get to stay on humanitarian grounds. 

Besides, there are no good jobs and no affordable housing in America for them. Martha's Vineyard didn't want them.  NY and Denver bus them back and forth promising the jobs are just over the horizon.  Meanwhile 14% of working age males don't work, the workforce participation rate is the lowest it's been since women entered the workforce in mass. Uber is locking out drivers cause too many already waiting for a fare.   

Bringing in more low skilled labor at this point is insanity, and it means death for low income people who are already here struggling. The only reason Dems are doing this is to keep wages low and pump up Wall Street profits.  It's a Wall Street stimulus program disguised as humanitarianism.  Not terribly humane to a young American just starting out in life, to compete with 10 million foreigners for limited supply of housing and what few jobs remain.

Political dehumanization, simple as that, even "news" hosts and reporters have shamelessly used it in far right wing media and it always has an end: to politically divide and try to conquer part of the population for power. We have seen in Germany during the fascist period, we saw it in Cambodia with the communist regime and sadly we will continue to see it in the United States unless people remember the USA is a nation build by migrants and continues to need migrants to grow.
If the far right was actually willing to make America great again and "give back" the country to their "original/actual" inhabitants, then millions of European descent voters would have no problem to move to Europe and leave their homes for natives (who were slowly and methodically stripped away for their land through the history of the USA).

This whole string of news would not be of any importance for Fox and Newsmax if those inmigrants were from Ireland and were working as hard as those Haitians. We both know what the difference would be.

Nobody dumped them.  What a shitty thing to say.  They're human beings that wanted to work.  Springfield needed workers.  So they went to Springfield and worked.

Human beings.