Who worked with who is obviously hard to prove.
Anyone expects or forecasts properly what happens with their innovation/idea/development.
Everyone just rides the ride.
Topic: [Theory] Hal Finney & Satoshi Nakamoto created bitcoin (Read 4904 times)
Both indeed created Bitcoin... Satoshi gave the idea and Hal was interested in it, so they developed it, thus creating the Bitcoin we know today 
What's new here?
What's new here?
My theory about Hal Finney was new at the time I wrote it,
but I tend to think it was Hal Finney who was the main creator of bitcoin,
and he asked his neighbor Satoshi Nakamoto to help him do it,
because the afflictions were making it hard for Hal to get the work done by himself.
In this way of looking at it, Satoshi Nakamoto actually has compassion/mercy for Hal and helps him out to create bitcoin.
But in order for this to be true, then Hal's afflictions had to start before the launch of bitcoin and was bad enough to slow or prevent him from doing it himself, so that he needed his neighbor and friend Satoshi to do it for him.
The man struggling with crippling affliction, and faced with death, who then creates bitcoin, but needs the help of his old friend to do it.
It would make a good book or movie, I think.
Both indeed created Bitcoin... Satoshi gave the idea and Hal was interested in it, so they developed it, thus creating the Bitcoin we know today
What's new here?
What's new here?
Quoted from www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/03/25/satoshi-nakamotos-neighbor-the-bitcoin-ghostwriter-who-wasnt/
Newsweek released a bombshell cover story on the man who it claimed had invented Bitcoin:
Dorian Prentice Satoshi Nakamoto, a 64-year old ex-engineer and programmer living in the small exurb of Los Angeles known as Temple City. Nakamoto had even seemed to give Newsweek a tacit confirmation of its theory when he told the magazine’s reporter that he was “no longer involved in that,” a quote confirmed in essence by local police who witnessed the interaction.
“What are the odds in a country as large as ours, or as large as California is, or even as large as the general LA area is, that [Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto] and Hal Finney both live(d) in Temple City at the same time, about 1.6 miles from each other?” my contact wrote. “Did they know each other socially, through some club? Did one help the other?”
Hal Finney and Satoshi Nakamoto lived in the same small town of Temple City, with a population of only about 30,000 people.
Seems fairly convincing to me, that Hal Finney and Satoshi Nakamoto created bitcoin
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Newsweek released a bombshell cover story on the man who it claimed had invented Bitcoin:
Dorian Prentice Satoshi Nakamoto, a 64-year old ex-engineer and programmer living in the small exurb of Los Angeles known as Temple City. Nakamoto had even seemed to give Newsweek a tacit confirmation of its theory when he told the magazine’s reporter that he was “no longer involved in that,” a quote confirmed in essence by local police who witnessed the interaction.
“What are the odds in a country as large as ours, or as large as California is, or even as large as the general LA area is, that [Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto] and Hal Finney both live(d) in Temple City at the same time, about 1.6 miles from each other?” my contact wrote. “Did they know each other socially, through some club? Did one help the other?”
Hal Finney and Satoshi Nakamoto lived in the same small town of Temple City, with a population of only about 30,000 people.
Seems fairly convincing to me, that Hal Finney and Satoshi Nakamoto created bitcoin
bill bags,
many hundreds of people were and are trying to create money every day. and the entity known of satoshi DID gather idea's, concepts and theories from many sources. such as hal finney and nick szabo. but it was only satoshi that put all of these idea's together into its unique and beautiful functional form that we know today.
this does not mean that satoshi was these people, nor does it mean that he knew these other people personally, nor does it prove that these people used his username.
imagine the conspiracy theorists trying to assume identification of satoshi, like trying to identify the creator of a car. by knowing the cave man invented fire by burning oil, or making the wheel. to then say that without the "combustion" element or the wheel, a car would notexist, thus the inventor of the car was assumed by these conspiracy theorists to be a caveman.
now that you have understood that although combustion and wheel technology has been around for thousands of years. it wasnt until the 19th century that someone invented the car by utilizing other peoples experiments, inventions and skills, without even having to know or speak to the inventors of the original elements that built up a car.
all we can be certain with is that 'satoshi' did collaborate with a few people like hal finney. and also grab other existent theories and code from other sources. but it was as i already said, only the entity known as satoshi that put it all together beautifully
many hundreds of people were and are trying to create money every day. and the entity known of satoshi DID gather idea's, concepts and theories from many sources. such as hal finney and nick szabo. but it was only satoshi that put all of these idea's together into its unique and beautiful functional form that we know today.
this does not mean that satoshi was these people, nor does it mean that he knew these other people personally, nor does it prove that these people used his username.
imagine the conspiracy theorists trying to assume identification of satoshi, like trying to identify the creator of a car. by knowing the cave man invented fire by burning oil, or making the wheel. to then say that without the "combustion" element or the wheel, a car would notexist, thus the inventor of the car was assumed by these conspiracy theorists to be a caveman.
now that you have understood that although combustion and wheel technology has been around for thousands of years. it wasnt until the 19th century that someone invented the car by utilizing other peoples experiments, inventions and skills, without even having to know or speak to the inventors of the original elements that built up a car.
all we can be certain with is that 'satoshi' did collaborate with a few people like hal finney. and also grab other existent theories and code from other sources. but it was as i already said, only the entity known as satoshi that put it all together beautifully
Maybe Hal Finney Hired his neighbor, Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto to help him create bitcoin,
because Hal was getting crippled, and needed some help?
Highly suspect that Hal Finney and Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto both lived in Temple City California, only 30,000 population, out of all the whole world, those two lived that close to each other.
Someone should look at past editions of the Temple City newspaper and see if Hal Finney advertised locally for someone to help him with his project? Never know, might be something there.
Maybe Satoshi replied to the ad and got hired?
I don't know, maybe Satoshi and Hal Finney knew each other for years, which is highly possible,
considering they lived in the same small town, and with similar type occupations and perhaps similar type interests.
Maybe they met years ago at a Chapters book store, and were looking in the same section, and they gave each other advice which books were good or not, and became friends long ago
I believe it was late 2012 or early 2013 that Finney had sold some of his bitcoin to pay for medical expenses and it appeared that satoshi's bitcoin was linked to silk road because they both were sent to an address at gox.
Dorian looks exactly as I expected Satoshi to look.
round for thousands of years. it wasnt until
Maybe Hal Finney Hired his neighbor, Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto to help him create bitcoin,
because Hal was getting crippled, and needed some help?
Highly suspect that Hal Finney and Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto both lived in Temple City California, only 30,000 population, out of all the whole world, those two lived that close to each other.
Someone should look at past editions of the Temple City newspaper and see if Hal Finney advertised locally for someone to help him with his project? Never know, might be something there.
Maybe Satoshi replied to the ad and got hired?
I don't know, maybe Satoshi and Hal Finney knew each other for years, which is highly possible,
considering they lived in the same small town, and with similar type occupations and perhaps similar type interests.
Maybe they met years ago at a Chapters book store, and were looking in the same section, and they gave each other advice which books were good or not, and became friends long ago
Maybe Hal Finney Hired his neighbor, Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto to help him create bitcoin,
because Hal was getting crippled, and needed some help?
Highly suspect that Hal Finney and Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto both lived in Temple City California, only 30,000 population, out of all the whole world, those two lived that close to each other.
Someone should look at past editions of the Temple City newspaper and see if Hal Finney advertised locally for someone to help him with his project? Never know, might be something there.
Maybe Satoshi replied to the ad and got hired?
I don't know, maybe Satoshi and Hal Finney knew each other for years, which is highly possible,
considering they lived in the same small town, and with similar type occupations and perhaps similar type interests.
Maybe they met years ago at a Chapters book store, and were looking in the same section, and they gave each other advice which books were good or not, and became friends long ago
now you are just showing that you have not done any research.. dorian is not the bitcoin creator. the bitcoin creator has a british based education, dorian does not. so stop trying to attach dorian to your imagination.
as for how hal finney got involved, he was highly involved in the other forum before 2010 and came across 'satoshis' whitepaper and then they started passing idea's between each other.
please atleast read the white paper and the conversations from late 2008 on the other forums until 2011.. then and only then come back with a more plausible theory
@Billbags
almost exactly except for the decentral part.................
and that is the genius about the bitcoin protocol and makes it so mutch diffrent!
Bitcoins acts as a life form ,,,, and thats how it is created , we are still debating were live comes from.
and so we will be debating were bitcoin comes form
Its not impotant who created it , now it is here it can never be undone , so who ever created it will live for ever
almost exactly except for the decentral part.................
and that is the genius about the bitcoin protocol and makes it so mutch diffrent!
Bitcoins acts as a life form ,,,, and thats how it is created , we are still debating were live comes from.
and so we will be debating were bitcoin comes form
Its not impotant who created it , now it is here it can never be undone , so who ever created it will live for ever
bill bags,
many hundreds of people were and are trying to create money every day. and the entity known of satoshi DID gather idea's, concepts and theories from many sources. such as hal finney and nick szabo. but it was only satoshi that put all of these idea's together into its unique and beautiful functional form that we know today.
this does not mean that satoshi was these people, nor does it mean that he knew these other people personally, nor does it prove that these people used his username.
imagine the conspiracy theorists trying to assume identification of satoshi, like trying to identify the creator of a car. by knowing the cave man invented fire by burning oil, or making the wheel. to then say that without the "combustion" element or the wheel, a car would notexist, thus the inventor of the car was assumed by these conspiracy theorists to be a caveman.
now that you have understood that although combustion and wheel technology has been around for thousands of years. it wasnt until the 19th century that someone invented the car by utilizing other peoples experiments, inventions and skills, without even having to know or speak to the inventors of the original elements that built up a car.
all we can be certain with is that 'satoshi' did collaborate with a few people like hal finney. and also grab other existent theories and code from other sources. but it was as i already said, only the entity known as satoshi that put it all together beautifully
many hundreds of people were and are trying to create money every day. and the entity known of satoshi DID gather idea's, concepts and theories from many sources. such as hal finney and nick szabo. but it was only satoshi that put all of these idea's together into its unique and beautiful functional form that we know today.
this does not mean that satoshi was these people, nor does it mean that he knew these other people personally, nor does it prove that these people used his username.
imagine the conspiracy theorists trying to assume identification of satoshi, like trying to identify the creator of a car. by knowing the cave man invented fire by burning oil, or making the wheel. to then say that without the "combustion" element or the wheel, a car would notexist, thus the inventor of the car was assumed by these conspiracy theorists to be a caveman.
now that you have understood that although combustion and wheel technology has been around for thousands of years. it wasnt until the 19th century that someone invented the car by utilizing other peoples experiments, inventions and skills, without even having to know or speak to the inventors of the original elements that built up a car.
all we can be certain with is that 'satoshi' did collaborate with a few people like hal finney. and also grab other existent theories and code from other sources. but it was as i already said, only the entity known as satoshi that put it all together beautifully
This is an interesting theory but in my point of view the only creator was Satoshi.
Thanks for the feedback, BitcoinFX, I am continually learning.
I think I have an interesting theory to share with you all,
at the link below:
Hal Finney's afflictions & the effect on the creation of bitcoin
http://www.smartcoin.boards.net/thread/47/hal-finneys-afflictions-effect-creation
The story presented about satoshi nakamoto and hal finney, requires READING BETWEEN THE LINES
not conspiracy
People with deeper understandings of life situations and events will know what I mean.
If the pieces of the presented story do not seem to fit together quite right(and I dont think they do),
then we have to try and reason and figure it out for ourselves.
Do you really think that I and others are so stupid?
When Dorian satoshi nakamoto was first confronted(and there are police officers who witnessed his statements),
he said: "I am not involved with bitcoin anymore" ( I think that is what it was)
Anymore. Anymore is the key word there.
That means he was involved with bitcoin, and his name is satoshi nakamoto.
Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that satoshi nakamoto and hal finney lived in the same small town,
and hal finney is the first person to receive a transaction from satoshi nakamoto.
So, we therefore know who created bitcoin then.
maybe they were in the same room when satoshi sent hal the first bitcoin transaction from one computer to another.
they were visiting you know.
No mystery anymore
People with deeper understandings of life situations and events will know what I mean.
If the pieces of the presented story do not seem to fit together quite right(and I dont think they do),
then we have to try and reason and figure it out for ourselves.
Do you really think that I and others are so stupid?
When Dorian satoshi nakamoto was first confronted(and there are police officers who witnessed his statements),
he said: "I am not involved with bitcoin anymore" ( I think that is what it was)
Anymore. Anymore is the key word there.
That means he was involved with bitcoin, and his name is satoshi nakamoto.
Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that satoshi nakamoto and hal finney lived in the same small town,
and hal finney is the first person to receive a transaction from satoshi nakamoto.
So, we therefore know who created bitcoin then.
maybe they were in the same room when satoshi sent hal the first bitcoin transaction from one computer to another.
they were visiting you know.
No mystery anymore
You just have to pay attention to the stop signs. The 'truth' is probably so much more complex than we might all imagine. The Cypherpunks built Bitcoin.
See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8484376
"The creation of cryptocurrencies is technically illegal and could be prosecuted under title 18 U.S.C. 336, Sec. 336. which states “Whoever makes, issues, circulates, or pays out any note, check, memorandum, token, or other obligation for a less sum than $1, intended to circulate as money or to be received or used in lieu of lawful money of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.” However, this statute hasn’t been enforced in a published court opinion since 1899, a good sign for the budding currency."
Source: http://invisiblemoneydocumentary.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/fincen-on-the-legality-and-classification-of-creating-bitcoins-in-the-usa/
The story presented about satoshi nakamoto and hal finney, requires READING BETWEEN THE LINES
not conspiracy
People with deeper understandings of life situations and events will know what I mean.
If the pieces of the presented story do not seem to fit together quite right(and I dont think they do),
then we have to try and reason and figure it out for ourselves.
Do you really think that I and others are so stupid?
When Dorian satoshi nakamoto was first confronted(and there are police officers who witnessed his statements),
he said: "I am not involved with bitcoin anymore" ( I think that is what it was)
Anymore. Anymore is the key word there.
That means he was involved with bitcoin, and his name is satoshi nakamoto.
Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that satoshi nakamoto and hal finney lived in the same small town,
and hal finney is the first person to receive a transaction from satoshi nakamoto.
So, we therefore know who created bitcoin then.
maybe they were in the same room when satoshi sent hal the first bitcoin transaction from one computer to another.
they were visiting you know.
No mystery anymore
People with deeper understandings of life situations and events will know what I mean.
If the pieces of the presented story do not seem to fit together quite right(and I dont think they do),
then we have to try and reason and figure it out for ourselves.
Do you really think that I and others are so stupid?
When Dorian satoshi nakamoto was first confronted(and there are police officers who witnessed his statements),
he said: "I am not involved with bitcoin anymore" ( I think that is what it was)
Anymore. Anymore is the key word there.
That means he was involved with bitcoin, and his name is satoshi nakamoto.
Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that satoshi nakamoto and hal finney lived in the same small town,
and hal finney is the first person to receive a transaction from satoshi nakamoto.
So, we therefore know who created bitcoin then.
maybe they were in the same room when satoshi sent hal the first bitcoin transaction from one computer to another.
they were visiting you know.
No mystery anymore
Please share conspiracy stories here http://cryptoconspiracy.com/
and Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto
Now you're just making stuff up.
He's obviously talking about the 'real' Satoshi Nakamoto guy ie not our bitcoin Satoshi as they bothe lived in the same City. See here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/03/25/satoshi-nakamotos-neighbor-the-bitcoin-ghostwriter-who-wasnt/
That is the story I was reading, that gave me the theory about dorian satoshi nakamoto and hal finney creating bitcoin.
I just found it odd that they used their real names.
It also seems very obvious that these two fellows lived in the same small town/city of 30,000 people, and if any of you ever lived in a small town like that, you would realize that these two guys easily could have known each other.
It seems obvious that these two fellows created bitcoin.
Another theory:
It seems to indicate that someone else created bitcoin, but used satoshi nakamoto's and hal finney's names when they did that?
But who would do that, and why would they scapegoat satoshi nakamoto and hal finney?
Ok, so it makes more sense to me, that we consider theories that explain why these two high trained persons may have used their real names to create bitcoin; or why would others scapegoat or use their names to create bitcoin?
Why might they point the finger at themselves?
Or, why might others point the finger at them?
you do realize that the satoshi nakamoto or hal finney accounts may have been compromised?(maybe those accounts were used by someone else? not by those people?)
that the info provided by those accounts might not be true?
I noticed how most people think that those accounts tell the truth always?
So then, attempting to discern the truth, requires reading between the lines then, doesn't it?
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Links to this?
About the raid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJhMwxL_KR8interview with Bernand von Nothaus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=argq_cxalZ8
Ron Paul being asked about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhWRDP8v9ss
This could and can be completely logical!! 
and Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto
Now you're just making stuff up.
He's obviously talking about the 'real' Satoshi Nakamoto guy ie not our bitcoin Satoshi as they bothe lived in the same City. See here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/03/25/satoshi-nakamotos-neighbor-the-bitcoin-ghostwriter-who-wasnt/
please stop making baseless claims about stuff. so what if someone lived somewhere. it doesnt prove anything and STOP POSTING FUDDDDDD
It gets really annoying seeing FUD spreadddd
anyways, it does not matter who did what. the source code is open to see. no one needs to know who created it as we can all see the code and see what it does and analyze it. this has been done and thats why people are using this protocol.
It gets really annoying seeing FUD spreadddd
anyways, it does not matter who did what. the source code is open to see. no one needs to know who created it as we can all see the code and see what it does and analyze it. this has been done and thats why people are using this protocol.
and Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto
Now you're just making stuff up.
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