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Topic: There is already 1000 Bitcoin Millionaires in the world - effects on price (Read 4938 times)

legendary
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Borsche
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Whats the max amount of BTC per day you can sell for usd on coinbase right now?
legendary
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I also think that since litecoins are a ridiculous noninnovation, BTC people should really stop being so smug and move on to mBTC.

It is a shame to be beaten by ltc!

I think LTC is controlled by single wealthy entity. He was able to collect/create large amount of LTC (creating currency, using GPU mining), and now he can pump and only he can dump :-) (he is owner of majority of LTC ... smart ass :-) ). 

Satoshi has quite a big stash too. I guess that sooner or later we will end up knowing about him.

You can dump giant amounts of litecoins for bitcoins, but dumping giant amounts of bitcoins for fiat is a tough trick to pull.
KFR
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Per ardua ad luna
I also think that since litecoins are a ridiculous noninnovation, BTC people should really stop being so smug and move on to mBTC.

It is a shame to be beaten by ltc!

I have an immense respect for your analysis but I'd strongly urge you to think through the potential implications of the differences between the two.  I think you might be missing a trick. Wink
legendary
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I also think that since litecoins are a ridiculous noninnovation, BTC people should really stop being so smug and move on to mBTC.

It is a shame to be beaten by ltc!

I think LTC is controlled by single wealthy entity. He was able to collect/create large amount of LTC (creating currency, using GPU mining), and now he can pump and only he can dump :-) (he is owner of majority of LTC ... smart ass :-) ). 

Satoshi has quite a big stash too. I guess that sooner or later we will end up knowing about him.
legendary
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I also think that since litecoins are a ridiculous noninnovation, BTC people should really stop being so smug and move on to mBTC.

It is a shame to be beaten by ltc!

I think LTC is controlled by single wealthy entity. He was able to collect/create large amount of LTC (creating currency, using GPU mining), and now he can pump and only he can dump :-) (he is owner of majority of LTC ... smart ass :-) ). 
legendary
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Antifragile
I also think that since litecoins are a ridiculous noninnovation, BTC people should really stop being so smug and move on to mBTC.

It is a shame to be beaten by ltc!

mBTC is definitely in the future.
But I also think mLTC is.
donator
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I also think that since litecoins are a ridiculous noninnovation, BTC people should really stop being so smug and move on to mBTC.

It is a shame to be beaten by ltc!
full member
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Bitstamp trader
It is possible that 2014 will be the year of Bitcoin. Yes, I am aware that 2013 already saw 100x gains Wink

I think the "average joe" will hesitate to invest at a price of >1000 $ / BTC... on a psychological level
lower prices should really increase investment.

a change to mBTC as proposed by many users already would be a nice solution for this.
otherwise many (uninformed) newcomers will simply buy 40 litecoins instead of a single bitcoin Sad
sr. member
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“A decentralized registry for unique assets”
donator
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Perhaps next year will also see the rise of the Supernode.

$1.4/mBTC.
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You are here ---------> but you're not all there.
The number of 10-millionaires is still small, but this (the economically free people, no matter how many million) is the class that can have considerable impact if they just

If they just what? Tell us. Smiley

Rpietila, I think you mean "if they just put their minds to it"
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advocate of a cryptographic attack on the globe
The number of 10-millionaires is still small, but this (the economically free people, no matter how many million) is the class that can have considerable impact if they just

If they just what? Tell us. Smiley
hero member
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Here I was thinking that perhaps a mere 1 million does not change anybody's life at least in high-cost countries. But several million will do. Depends on person, but most of us will feel considerable economic freedom after the net worth hits 2, 3, 5 or 10 million. I don't think anyone who started with humble means can say that $10 million is not enough for personal needs for the rest of his life.

The number of 10-millionaires is still small, but this (the economically free people, no matter how many million) is the class that can have considerable impact if they just

It is easy to give himself as an example. So I do Smiley I switched to all-Bitcoin in March 2013 and have spent 66 hours per month writing on this forum. If I was short of money, I could rake in anything between $200-$5000 per hour doing various things. But I regard writing about Bitcoin economics as more important. I am free to do it, and I am changing the world with my own small part.

The world at large is still absolutely clueless about Bitcoin. We can say that the general awareness was only really reached last month. The previous bubbles generated publicity, which faded away. Now it is not fading away, it is gaining grassroots adoption, and I believe that by trickling the knowledge that I and others generate, to the masses, the party can go on and on. It is possible that 2014 will be the year of Bitcoin. Yes, I am aware that 2013 already saw 100x gains Wink

You really are a great asset for this forum. I wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for you. Was tipped off on another forum about a "a crazy Finnish guy who wrote great pieces about bitcoin". Huge thanks for your work here. I'm not sure that all bitcoin millionaires would go in your direction though but I could be wrong.
legendary
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Here I was thinking that perhaps a mere 1 million does not change anybody's life at least in high-cost countries. But several million will do. Depends on person, but most of us will feel considerable economic freedom after the net worth hits 2, 3, 5 or 10 million. I don't think anyone who started with humble means can say that $10 million is not enough for personal needs for the rest of his life.


If you live in 1st world country, I'd say 5 mil USD are more than enough.
legendary
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Bitcoin has zero counterparty risk?  Not true.  To cash out and use the money for buying a car, house, taxes, food, schooling, etc, the bitcoin holder must have someone to sell to.  If no one turns up to buy those bitcoins then the holder just has a bit of worthless data.  That's a counterparty risk, although of a slightly different nature to say, a bank going bankrupt and taking all the money.

Bitcoin has another counterparty risk coming up in the next few years.  If bitcoin becomes popular enough for even a tiny percentage of the world's population to use it daily, the blockchain will become enormous.  There will be few people willing to store terabytes of data on their computer just to send and receive bitcoins.  The data and wallets will be kept in the hands of relatively few companies.  Better hope they're good and honest.

You're discussing currency risk. I.e. the risk that the currency value fluctuates. However given a global currency with a fixed and declining rate of inflation the currency risk is probably lower than just about any other currency you can hold.
Meh, I think bitcoin is still a lot riskier than fiat. We still have to see how everything works out.
sr. member
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Put yourself in the bitcoin millionaire's shoes. Option 1: "cash out" thereby deliberately entrusting your new fortune to a counterparty; Option 2: "stand pat" and continue to enjoy zero counterparty risk.

Bitcoin has zero counterparty risk?  Not true.  To cash out and use the money for buying a car, house, taxes, food, schooling, etc, the bitcoin holder must have someone to sell to.  If no one turns up to buy those bitcoins then the holder just has a bit of worthless data.  That's a counterparty risk, although of a slightly different nature to say, a bank going bankrupt and taking all the money.

Bitcoin has another counterparty risk coming up in the next few years.  If bitcoin becomes popular enough for even a tiny percentage of the world's population to use it daily, the blockchain will become enormous.  There will be few people willing to store terabytes of data on their computer just to send and receive bitcoins.  The data and wallets will be kept in the hands of relatively few companies.  Better hope they're good and honest.

You're discussing currency risk. I.e. the risk that the currency value fluctuates. However given a global currency with a fixed and declining rate of inflation the currency risk is probably lower than just about any other currency you can hold.
legendary
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Bitcoin has another counterparty risk coming up in the next few years.  If bitcoin becomes popular enough for even a tiny percentage of the world's population to use it daily, the blockchain will become enormous.  There will be few people willing to store terabytes of data on their computer just to send and receive bitcoins.  The data and wallets will be kept in the hands of relatively few companies.  Better hope they're good and honest.

The blockchain can grow up to 1 MB every 10 min. That will take roughly 20 years to reach a single 1 TB. 1 TB isn't that large now, imagine how tiny 1 TB will be in 20 years.
legendary
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Put yourself in the bitcoin millionaire's shoes. Option 1: "cash out" thereby deliberately entrusting your new fortune to a counterparty; Option 2: "stand pat" and continue to enjoy zero counterparty risk.

Bitcoin has zero counterparty risk?  Not true.  To cash out and use the money for buying a car, house, taxes, food, schooling, etc, the bitcoin holder must have someone to sell to.  If no one turns up to buy those bitcoins then the holder just has a bit of worthless data.  That's a counterparty risk, although of a slightly different nature to say, a bank going bankrupt and taking all the money.

Bitcoin has another counterparty risk coming up in the next few years.  If bitcoin becomes popular enough for even a tiny percentage of the world's population to use it daily, the blockchain will become enormous.  There will be few people willing to store terabytes of data on their computer just to send and receive bitcoins.  The data and wallets will be kept in the hands of relatively few companies.  Better hope they're good and honest.
You are talking about risks, not counterparty risk, imo.  A bitcoin in your personal wallet will always be a bitcoin in your personal wallet, and provided you took the necessary safety precautions, its not going anywhere.
legendary
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Put yourself in the bitcoin millionaire's shoes. Option 1: "cash out" thereby deliberately entrusting your new fortune to a counterparty; Option 2: "stand pat" and continue to enjoy zero counterparty risk.

Bitcoin has zero counterparty risk?  Not true.  To cash out and use the money for buying a car, house, taxes, food, schooling, etc, the bitcoin holder must have someone to sell to.  If no one turns up to buy those bitcoins then the holder just has a bit of worthless data.  That's a counterparty risk, although of a slightly different nature to say, a bank going bankrupt and taking all the money.

Bitcoin has another counterparty risk coming up in the next few years.  If bitcoin becomes popular enough for even a tiny percentage of the world's population to use it daily, the blockchain will become enormous.  There will be few people willing to store terabytes of data on their computer just to send and receive bitcoins.  The data and wallets will be kept in the hands of relatively few companies.  Better hope they're good and honest.
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