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Topic: There is an epic shakeout coming this year before the giga-spike. - page 5. (Read 8154 times)

legendary
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Welt Am Draht
It's like the dot com bubble, it'll be a few years before we return to the heights we saw in 2013. And you can forget about a bubble too, that ain't happin'.....

The dotcom bubble consumed trillions of dollars and transfixed some of the biggest investors on the biggest markets of the entire planet.

Bitcoin's 'dotcom' took place on some crappy homemade exchanges in far off lands off the back of a few tens or hundreds of thousands of weirdos. It hasn't even gotten off the starting blocks yet.
hero member
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If you drink the idiotic, MatTheCat Koolaid and claim the market can only move in directions that are the reverse of where investors go.  This claim is essentially saying it's not possible for the market to have any fundamentals whatsoever and everything is nothing but a stop loss hunt.  Even if you believed this idiocy, the price was stable at $420 for several months, and the last few attempted shakeouts only got the price to $440, so everyone already knows where the floors are.  Since everyone knows where the floors are, attempting a shakeout is pointless when even more longs would pile in than what already exists.

Here was the last orchestrated shakeout event from like a week ago.  Someone with $3 million or so tried it on Bitfinex.  Bitstamp, Coinbase, and everyone else refused to follow their scam attempt and stayed $5-$8 higher:

You just don't listen to a thing that anyone says and the reason is because you are incapable of taking in any information that is not emotionally appealing and the reason that you can't take in any information that doesn't appeal to your emotions, is because you are a stupid perma-stoned cunt.

My point about the market tending to move against record numbers of margin positions, whether they be longs or shorts, is not up for debate. It has this proven track record. I have posted enough charts depicting it already but anyone can easily go and check it out for themselves. My thesis is indeed, that in the absence of any organic demand, or need to sell, that this market is essentially a money making racket dominated by very few hands, and they will push this market to where the greatest liquidity is and if there are a shit ton of margin longs, and just not very many margin shorts left (after the recent pump which knocked almost half the BFX margin shorts out), then in the absence of an influx of organic demand for BTC, guess where 'they' are going to have push the market in order to extract more wealth out of it?

....and even if 'they' just wanted to get the pump underway in time for the halving, with all those margin longs in place, from prices around here and way down below, as 'they' commence the pump, 'they' are basically going to have to hand over money to margin long traders taking profits from their positions at key levels, as the market rises. If I was a big fat sweaty Chinese Bitcoin Miners syndicate, I would utterly balk at the prospect of pumping BTC only to have a bunch of nasty foreign white folks cash out relentlessly on me, before the public had so much as even broke into a canter towards my asset.....Much better way forward would be to shake all those margin long 'parasites' out of their positions, and that is exactly what is going to happen. Mark my words.


Those BFX longs includes BTC, LTC, and now ETH.  It's a muddy indicator, I wouldn't trust it.

Very good point, but the majority of it, is indeed for BTC longs. Also, their is a more reliable metric which is the BTC swaps, and right now, they are very depressed. Very high margin longs and very low margin shorts are not metrics associated with the base of a big fucking pump. These numbers need to be sorted out, and they will be sorted out.
legendary
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I'm pretty sure there is a shakeout coming, what I'm not so sure about is whether there will be anything that resembles a "giga-spike" after it. That's what makes the shakeouts work, the unknown.
legendary
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It's like the dot com bubble, it'll be a few years before we return to the heights we saw in 2013. And you can forget about a bubble too, that ain't happin'.....

This is probably the close sentence that anyone can get to relate to how bitcoin is really in a nutshell for pricing..etc.

The question would then for me I would ask is, the comparison to the companies actually serve the community and how many are actually impacting it to prevent it being a bubble.

The dot com bubble was mainly companies that got funding, but served no purpose.
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Makes sense. Everyone and their grandmother is bullish on btc. Bulltalk and bullish charts everywhere. BTC needs some good shakeout before a proper bullrun.
What do you think what people first think when they hear -shake out-? Collect as much as you can..so you know what can happen soon after..
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RevolverCoin Team
Makes sense. Everyone and their grandmother is bullish on btc. Bulltalk and bullish charts everywhere. BTC needs some good shakeout before a proper bullrun.
full member
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Some folks here are very comfortable to talk here about future, Everything is possible and we are mortal also. Roll Eyes
sr. member
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How can Bitcoin grow if new users are not allowed to join this crowded bus, my poor logic can't explain it. Anyone?
newbie
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Now since you have expose it, it won't happen.
legendary
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I have been in Bitcoin long enough to know that the price has to go down heavily at some point, but I don't think it will be as severe as OP is talking about. If the price goes up to $500-$550 this year, then the the lowest point it may reach is just over $400 if it indeed happens to go down that much. That's the worst case scenario.

This has happened already.
Twice in the last 12 months.

Nov 4, 2015  --- $408.74
Nov 11, 2015 --- $312.58

Jan 7, 2016  --- $458.28
Jan 15, 2016 --- $358.77

(The first was a bubble burst after parabolic rise, the second was Mike Hearn's ragequit.)

Currently, we are not in a bubble. Not even in start of a bubble.
We are in bearish stability instead, waiting possible good news (but not here yet) from SegWit patch, Lightning, etc.
In fact a possible slow, smooth rise from $460 to $500 can't be regarded a bubble either.


That is a good analysis. But don't underestimate how many people are hodling because of the halving. They are providing the floor. If there arn't any positive developments by July, they'll sell and down we go again.
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legendary
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That was a hard for event back then: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0050.mediawiki

It can happen again sure - but I would not put much weight into that possibility.

That said, a cascade of margin calls is quite possible with this level of leverage.
hero member
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Flash crashes can occur at any time. If you're not a trader, just buy and hold and ride it out.
hero member
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The Monero chart is the real reason you made this post.  There is no reason anyone should be holding altcoins during the BTC halving unless they want to lose money, so please, don't make up nonsense to try and prevent alts from going down:


 
 
You're right, everyone knows that to be a fact.  And in the wisdom I've acquired in my years in the markets, when 'everyone knows' something - look out.
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But speaking of giga-spikes: if I recall correctly, the last one which propelled Bitcoin from ~$100 to four digits was triggered by the Cyprus bail-in. Remember it? Some folks discovered that Bitcoin was a way to get out of Dodge. Less informally, they discovered one of Bitcoin's use cases: remitting money across a jurisdictional border quickly & cheaply.

Lol, this is another great case of "Manyachka got blind drunk on the night of June 21, 1941, and on the 22nd Hitler invaded Russia. Therefore, if you see manyachka staggering up the stairs, get ready for WW3."
Guess what? Greeks weren't buying your bitcoins, it was some shitty French AI named Willy Cheesy
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legendary
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Waiting to buy at 150$...

you will wait forever, there is no way this new pattern is leadin us to sub 200 ever again

how can someone even think about this is behind me, apart from trolling

I have time.  And some have leveraged longs...  Smiley
sr. member
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Rider of comets, and brother to the nebulae
I have been in Bitcoin long enough to know that the price has to go down heavily at some point, but I don't think it will be as severe as OP is talking about. If the price goes up to $500-$550 this year, then the the lowest point it may reach is just over $400 if it indeed happens to go down that much. That's the worst case scenario.

This has happened already.
Twice in the last 12 months.

Nov 4, 2015  --- $408.74
Nov 11, 2015 --- $312.58

Jan 7, 2016  --- $458.28
Jan 15, 2016 --- $358.77

(The first was a bubble burst after parabolic rise, the second was Mike Hearn's ragequit.)

Currently, we are not in a bubble. Not even in start of a bubble.
We are in bearish stability instead, waiting possible good news (but not here yet) from SegWit patch, Lightning, etc.
In fact a possible slow, smooth rise from $460 to $500 can't be regarded a bubble either.
legendary
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Waiting to buy at 150$...

you will wait forever, there is no way this new pattern is leadin us to sub 200 ever again

how can someone even think about this is behind me, apart from trolling

For the obvious reason. Myself, I miss the days when I could buy BTC below $250-300. Wink

But speaking of giga-spikes: if I recall correctly, the last one which propelled Bitcoin from ~$100 to four digits was triggered by the Cyprus bail-in. Remember it? Some folks discovered that Bitcoin was a way to get out of Dodge. Less informally, they discovered one of Bitcoin's use cases: remitting money across a jurisdictional border quickly & cheaply.

What if Donald Trump becomes President-Elect Donald Trump and starts to make a lot of serious noises about taxing remittances to Meheeco or even blocking them entirely? He as President can only block money transmissions through the banking system. If I were a straight Bitcoin evangelist, I'd be sorely regretting not having learned Mexicano.
legendary
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craig wright tried hard to spark that shakeout.  Cheesy
legendary
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Waiting to buy at 150$...

you will wait forever, there is no way this new pattern is leadin us to sub 200 ever again

how can someone even think about this is behind me, apart from trolling
legendary
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I have been in Bitcoin long enough to know that the price has to go down heavily at some point, but I don't think it will be as severe as OP is talking about. If the price goes up to $500-$550 this year, then the the lowest point it may reach is just over $400 if it indeed happens to go down that much. That's the worst case scenario.
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