These degenerates don't wanna quit.. is there a way out?

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Quote from: DYING_S0UL on December 04, 2023, 03:29:43 PM

Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 25, 2023, 03:34:04 AM

Of course it's for money. Cheesy

Don't get me wrong, participating in signature campaign is completely fine and signature campaign is the biggest reason why this forum has a lot traffic

Signature has it's own charm. If it wasn't for signature many users wouldn't even stay. You would be surprised to know how many users are just living only using signature. In some countries, money that is earned through signature is enough to provide for an family. This encourages new users to engage more in this forum. So it's considerable.

Signature campaign started way back June 12th 2011 and before now mining, offering services, Bounties, project participation, Tipping, donations and signature free-promotions were ways users earned from the forum but the introduction of signature campaign crippled other services even though most of them are still active but yet it doesn't generate much traffic anymore.

Most of the other options if well utilised might even generate more fund for participants compared to signature campaign. And This ignorance makes new users with skills that can fetch them more on the forum focus on trying hard to rank up so the can participate without knowing their skills if advertised on the forum can earn them more and the will also receive the same BTC currency for their services

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Quote from: Lucius on November 26, 2023, 06:47:32 AM

You probably mean the hack from 2015, because in the year you mention there was no hacking of the forum. In addition, there were two more significant forum hacks in 2011 and 2013, but it is positive that this never happened again after 2015.

OK, I know I missed this reply and am responding late, but thanks for the correction. For some reason I thought it was 2017 because at some point when I was on my crusade to destroy account sellers, I discovered that there were a lot of accounts that changed hands that year. I figured some of them had been hacked, but oops on me!

Quote from: Alpha Marine on November 26, 2023, 01:20:12 AM

I don't think using the term "bitching" for when someone is making a complaint is a nice thing to do. I agree OP need to take more care of their security but her complaint isn't bitching.

It's not meant to be nice, and I'd suggest getting used to the harshness of tone you're likely to see whilst browsing our beloved but thorny forum. Don't know the origin of that word as it's being used here, but it's likely an American thing.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 25, 2023, 03:34:04 AM

Of course it's for money. Cheesy

Don't get me wrong, participating in signature campaign is completely fine and signature campaign is the biggest reason why this forum has a lot traffic

Signature has it's own charm. If it wasn't for signature many users wouldn't even stay. You would be surprised to know how many users are just living only using signature. In some countries, money that is earned through signature is enough to provide for an family. This encourages new users to engage more in this forum. So it's considerable.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

GIVE US 2FA THEYMOS... !!!!!
Edit: signing a massage on my with my address?? Does that help?

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Does it really save the day? 2FA
Of course it makes for a padded layer of security to an account but, that’s where it stops. It doesn’t stop a friend or some one within your circle from handling your device for few minutes with an intent to do harm from archiving an aim. It might be useful in distant situations with unknowns but that’s it. It doesn’t really save you from those that have access to your device.
Maybe your that cautious not to let anyone handle even your desktop or laptop device but, how much of a reality is that should you own such and login once in a while.

One thing is for sure, signed address is been suggested to be some permanent means and supposedly your active which I know OP is, it would only take hours or a few days to note your not in control of your account, you do the needful using signed address to try and recover it (haven’t had the need for this so I can’t say) but, you could always hope for the best of precautions in this signed address format has been put in place.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

Edit: signing a massage on my with my address?? Does that help?

I could not find a staked address from you, I must be too weak to find things. If you have staked an address so far then you are safe. We have talked about the rest many times.

I haven't staked any yet.

Quote from: Pmalek on November 25, 2023, 03:13:32 AM

It's probably this case from October that was recently bumped: harizen - ban appeal. But the OP of that thread seems to have given up and hasn't been online for months. He can't expect other forum members to fight his battles if he isn't here himself anymore.

I've gotten enough clarity from some post in the first page... I just wanted to know if there are parameters that's been made to synchronize by the forum itself for every account's security. I seen them already...

Quote from: hugeblack on November 25, 2023, 04:14:32 AM

OFF-topic: Why do you mention your name at the end of each topic? Is the account managed by more than one user?

This is my account and it isn't managed by any other person but me... How's that even possible? Hugeblack? What you see at the end of my post isn't written for fancy; that's my preferred Monika. I hope @Jollygood sees this too.

Quote from: Lucius on November 25, 2023, 06:06:05 AM

It's strange to me that someone who has been on the forum for years reacts in this way, as if he didn't understand until now that the security of his bitcointalk account depends only on him,

since when did it become a crime to ask questions on what anyone's getting confused about?! This stalking wasn't necessary and doesn't answer any questions... sorry to say.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 25, 2023, 12:43:50 PM

I hope you meant message. Grin

That was a mistake.. do you wanna prove otherwise? No? Thanks!

Quote from: FatFork on November 25, 2023, 02:52:12 AM

Third, let's cut out the baseless FUD! If you genuinely believe that the Bitcointalk.org forum is unsafe or worthless, then why keep using it? No one's forcing you, right?

you're totally off point... Did I mention that anywhere on my post?? Where did you get the interpretation from? Stop taunting others for tryna free up thier curiosities... It ain't supposed to be that way..

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 25, 2023, 03:34:04 AM

This forum was hacked for three times and the last time was 2015, I think it's already secure since we haven't suffer any hack anymore in the last 8 years.

theymos customized the forum a lot from initial source code of SMF software to add more customized features for Bitcointalk users but more important, to secure the forum software more.

Because the forum software is considered as very secured now, any change will need to be considered very carefully.

Quote from: theymos on August 20, 2018, 07:18:08 PM

None of these ideas are new to me. Even if I don't respond to suggestions, I do read them, and they float around in my mind going forward. If it's not already done, then there's some reason why. A big possible reason is that I'm the only person who does development on the current code, and my time is limited. Another big reason is that this is a huge forum with complex dynamics, and even small policy changes can have big effects which need to be thought through very carefully.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 25, 2023, 05:27:27 PM

Those might not be your funds but as a forum member you have the same right as any other to make suggestions or ask questions right? What struck me was the question you asked about the new forum and would like to know what exactly is going on with it. Has there ever been a realistic estimated release date?

Suggestions and questions are absolutely appropriate--I guess since I mentioned the lack of upgrades in the context of the forum having enough money to make substantial upgrades, I qualified that by saying that I've got no financial stake in anything Theymos has planned and certainly wouldn't make demands that he hurry up and finish that pie-in-the-sky new forum software and the like.

I'm guessing if that project ever does get completed, I'm probably not going to like how the forum looks as much as I do now--but it's been the same since I registered, so I've known no different. OP's complaints aren't unreasonable IMO, since forum accounts do have value and said complaints are about security. The emotion might have been turned down a notch or two, but if nobody bitched about anything then there would be no progress, right?

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 25, 2023, 12:32:46 PM

Quote from: Stalker22 on November 24, 2023, 03:34:12 PM

And, quit your bitching! No one will hack your account if you take enough care of your security.

What about that big hack back in 2017? Wasn't that a hack of the forum and its data itself rather than of individual accounts?

I did not know about the 2017 hack, but from what I have read about other previous hacks, I am not sure 2FA would help much in those cases. Sure, 2FA can provide an additional layer of security for users, but it is not foolproof.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 25, 2023, 12:32:46 PM

And to be fair, there are many aspects of bitcointalk that are still in the 2009 era and really shouldn't be. I mean I like the consistency of the UI and all that, but 1) Where's that New Forum Software that's been in the works since probably before I joined in 2015, and 2) At least a small amount of the forum's funds should probably go toward upgrading a few things--maybe 2FA, improving the search function, creating a mobile-friendly version, and also a dark mode. Just my 2 sats; those aren't my funds, so it's not like my "vote" matters.

I have no argument against that. There are many segments of this forum that I would personally like to see improved. And honestly, a mobile-friendly version should have been in the works ages ago.

Quote from: Alpha Marine on November 26, 2023, 01:20:12 AM

Quote from: Stalker22 on November 24, 2023, 03:34:12 PM

And, quit your bitching! No one will hack your account if you take enough care of your security.

I don't think using the term "bitching" for when someone is making a complaint is a nice thing to do. I agree OP need to take more care of their security but her complaint isn't bitching.

Oh, and how would you label this?

Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

AND NOBODY FUCKING DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT??

Certainly not the kind of language one would deem suitable for a lady, is it?

Besides, I use the term as a synonym for "complaining", and it's a perfectly acceptable term where I come from. Wink

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 25, 2023, 12:32:46 PM

What about that big hack back in 2017? Wasn't that a hack of the forum and its data itself rather than of individual accounts?
~snip~

You probably mean the hack from 2015, because in the year you mention there was no hacking of the forum. In addition, there were two more significant forum hacks in 2011 and 2013, but it is positive that this never happened again after 2015.

Bitcointalk history of hacks and vandalism.

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Every site is constantly attacked by hackers. It's the Internet, this is what happens. So you have to know you have a job to do in protecting your account. You have to make a conscious effort for the sake of your security. I don't mean just the security of your forum account, but the security of every other account on any site or app you have and the security of your phone in general.

2FA will further improve our security but you have to understand it's not going to make it unhackable if you're careless with your security.

Quote from: Stalker22 on November 24, 2023, 03:34:12 PM

And, quit your bitching! No one will hack your account if you take enough care of your security.

I don't think using the term "bitching" for when someone is making a complaint is a nice thing to do. I agree OP need to take more care of their security but her complaint isn't bitching.

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Those might not be your funds but as a forum member you have the same right as any other to make suggestions or ask questions right? What struck me was the question you asked about the new forum and would like to know what exactly is going on with it. Has there ever been a realistic estimated release date?

With the amount donated over the years surely it should have been ready by now.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 25, 2023, 12:32:46 PM

1) Where's that New Forum Software that's been in the works since probably before I joined in 2015, and 2) At least a small amount of the forum's funds should probably go toward upgrading a few things--maybe 2FA, improving the search function, creating a mobile-friendly version, and also a dark mode. Just my 2 sats; those aren't my funds, so it's not like my "vote" matters.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

GIVE US 2FA THEYMOS... !!!!!

No. Why would he put effort into it? Because you are not capable to set a safe password and keep it safe? Maybe you were too busy with your own problems (caused by yourself, let's be clear), but the vast majority of the users never got their BTT account hacked.
And I'll continue: if you go on this kind of weak security, there's a good chance your accounts will be hacked also with 2FA present, because you'll keep 2FA on the same device where you are browsing from, or, even worse, keep the 2FA backup codes together with the password.

Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

Edit: signing a massage on my with my address?? Does that help?

I hope you meant message. Grin

Now more seriously, it depends... how safe you keep your private key or seed?
If at least these are actually safe then yes, it should help.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on November 24, 2023, 03:34:12 PM

And, quit your bitching! No one will hack your account if you take enough care of your security.

What about that big hack back in 2017? Wasn't that a hack of the forum and its data itself rather than of individual accounts?

And to be fair, there are many aspects of bitcointalk that are still in the 2009 era and really shouldn't be. I mean I like the consistency of the UI and all that, but 1) Where's that New Forum Software that's been in the works since probably before I joined in 2015, and 2) At least a small amount of the forum's funds should probably go toward upgrading a few things--maybe 2FA, improving the search function, creating a mobile-friendly version, and also a dark mode. Just my 2 sats; those aren't my funds, so it's not like my "vote" matters.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

GIVE US 2FA THEYMOS... !!!!!

Good idea. I support

Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

apparently, it becomes a mask to this deluders - AND NOBODY FUCKING DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT??

I also hate various shenanigans.

I am fully agree with you. Just clarify please:

These people are degenerates?

Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

apparently, it becomes a mask to this deluders

Or these people are degenerates?

Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

AND NOBODY FUCKING DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT??

Or both people are degenerates?

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I often receive letters with a name in this form when using some kind of email messenger, and the name is written there in advance.

OP, your fears and the solution to these fears will still depend on you. If you use the forum on a mobile phone, then even as you say that you do not follow unfamiliar links, your safety depends on the applications installed on your phone. If you use a computer, then start studying systems that are far from Windows, since in them we regularly see certain incidents that await users for seemingly harmless actions. Your safety will always be in your hands. Monitor the news; thereby, you will understand where you can get a virus or spyware.

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Quote from: FatFork on November 25, 2023, 02:52:12 AM

Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

The vulnerability of every account doesn't depend on the people behind them - it depends on the site itself...IF IT'S NOT SAFE, THEN ITS NOT WORTH DOING AT ALL!!!!!

First of all, what's with the yelling? Take it easy. No need to shout.

Second, you are completely wrong. I'm no cyber expert, but from what I've read seems all researchers consider humans (that is, users) to be the weakest link in the cybersecurity chain. According to many studies, 9 out of 10 data breach incidents are caused by human mistakes. So I'd say how vulnerable a system is depends a lot on the person using it. This forum is no exception.

Third, let's cut out the baseless FUD! If you genuinely believe that the Bitcointalk.org forum is unsafe or worthless, then why keep using it? No one's forcing you, right?

There is a possibility that in the middle of all that screaming, the OP lost their way and did not elaborate on the specific issue that made them create the thread. Even if the OP has a valid reason (or point) for this thread, alienating the forum members by posting in a crude manner is not exactly the way to open a debate.

It will be interesting to see the response the OP provides to your third point.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

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Yes, this should be enough. If you signed a message using PGP this also help to restored quickly. One of the accounts (+6k merits) was hacked and it was restored in a short time (before restoration became quick ).

OFF-topic: Why do you mention your name at the end of each topic? Is the account managed by more than one user?

I am curious about this too.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

I've seen several hack cases and it's not even funny how a user would be up, day and night just to create a reputation and it's taken away just in a moment; apparently, it becomes a mask to this deluders - AND NOBODY FUCKING DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT??
The vulnerability of every account doesn't depend on the people behind them - it depends on the site itself...IF IT'S NOT SAFE, THEN ITS NOT WORTH DOING AT ALL!!!!! I remember a time when I thought of initiating the "secret question" and I was told it doesn't do any good, it only exposes the account the more... what do I do then? It wouldn't be nice if this happens and my name is soiled for whatever unjust course....
I believe you see everything in here and you'll definitely see this; GIVE US 2FA THEYMOS... !!!!!
Edit: signing a massage on my with my address?? Does that help?

It's strange to me that someone who has been on the forum for years reacts in this way, as if he didn't understand until now that the security of his bitcointalk account depends only on him, and that no extra features will help prevent someone from being hacked. As for 2FA, which would probably be connected to the user's e-mail, what is the use of that, considering that most of those who are hacked will be compromised to such an extent that that e-mail will also be hacked.

2FA is something that can be bypassed in many ways anyway, and instead of looking for security where there is none, start acting like adults who think for themselves and don't play with their login data like children. At the end of the day, every hacker is just taking advantage of the opportunity that someone gives him, and that means that half of the blame lies with the one who was hacked.

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The security of your account is not solely dependent on the site itself, but it depends on the actions you take to protect your account. Just focus on what you can do to protect your account and prevent similar issues from happening in the future. I have visited several other forum sites, but I haven't encountered any with a 2FA feature, so I'm not sure if it's possible or not.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 25, 2023, 03:34:04 AM

This forum was hacked for three times and the last time was 2015, I think it's already secure since we haven't suffer any hack anymore in the last 8 years.

This prompts me to ask a question: The last time the forum was hacked was in 2015, and it appears that this topic was created ----> in 2015 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-your-bitcoin-address-here-996318 So how was the process of restoring accounts completed before that thread was created? Was it the same as the current method, or was there another porridge, or were there other methods?

Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 24, 2023, 03:14:17 PM

I believe you see everything in here and you'll definitely see this; GIVE US 2FA THEYMOS... !!!!!
Edit: signing a massage on my with my address?? Does that help?

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Yes, this should be enough. If you signed a message using PGP this also help to restored quickly. One of the accounts (+6k merits) was hacked and it was restored in a short time (before restoration became quick ).

OFF-topic: Why do you mention your name at the end of each topic? Is the account managed by more than one user?

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on November 25, 2023, 03:34:04 AM

It's not necessary, he can sign a message from the address that he used to participate in signature campaign.

I will say it's still necessary and a good practice for users to do before they are in a crisis point with a hacker handling their account.

The initial idea behind signing a message was that other users verify and quote your message, so even if a hacker gets access to your account and deletes all traces of an address, it's still available in the quoted messages on that thread. Post scrappers from users like LoyceV and TryNinja have fixed this issue to an extent, there will always be an archive of posts made on the forum after a certain time.

All users should still be encouraged to sign a message early on to insure their accounts, cause not all participate in signature campaigns.

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