Topic: These new EFFICIENT x11 algos everyone is talking about ?? BULLSHIT or real? (Read 4254 times)

Well, I can't say for sure whether all the hype about the new x11 algos is definitely a thing, but I have tweaked the heck out of my settings, and am getting a really nice efficiency.  When I started last week, i was getting about 4 Mh/s on my r9 290.  Tried some of the bins floating around and managed to get 6 Mh/s while maintaining a stable 60C or less, with a power draw of 113W avg.  I continued to tweak the settings and I finally found the sweet spot for my card.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x338/fughe/7-31-2015%205-10-01%20AM_zpsxwzoou6l.png

You can see, my last round of tweaks has really squeezed the performance up.  Stable at 64C, the vrm is well below my 90C limit, no HW errors, and stable at 9.6 Mh/s....going on 40 minutes now.  And best of all, the avg power usage is only 155W, and my avg accepted hash rate with my pool (9.84 Mh/s) is higher than the rate I am showing.

Hopefully these settings will prove to be stable over long term.

Sometimes, you stumble upon an older forum thread and even when it’s a years old, you can’t stop yourself from adding your two cents. This is one of these occasions… please feel invited to ignore this near-necro bump.

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1. is it more efficient than qrk?

You would need to define “efficient”. Do you mean power consumption efficiency, hashing speed efficiency, time-needed-to-implement efficiency, or something else? As is, the question is unclear and generally “too broad” too.

2. is it more secure than qrk?

11 hashes compared to a single hash? Sure it’s more secure. If a single hash is broken (eg hash collisions), X11 will have 10 other hashes backing it’s security. Can’t say the same in relation to QRK.

3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?

See my answer to Q1 – you need to define what you mean by “efficient”.

Also, you talk about “the miner”. What miner do you mean? The wallet “gen” or a separate mining tool?

Last but not least… what “card”? Looking at the huge market of GPUs and dedicated hashing hardware, just mentioning the word “card” is like talking about a corn of sand without specifying if you’re standing on a beach or in a sandbox.

4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised?

Same as before: “more efficient” compared to what mining software and/or hardware? And again: what exactly are you aiming at when using the word “efficient“?

5. is it more asic resistant than qrk?

No. But it surely is harder to develop than a simpler QRK asic.

6. is it more asic resistant than scyptN , scrypt jane

Again – no.

7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?

You really need to work on your questions.

a) What do you mean by “better“? Better in the sense of speed, security, or what? Also, can you point me to the x99 whitepaper? I am not aware of any cryptocurrency using 99 hashing algos (just like I’m pretty sure you won’t find 99 cryptographically secure hashing algorithms).

b) Forking “all of the coins over rand over again” surely doesn’t generally make sense. Actually, this question makes me ask if you know anything about cryptography and cryptocurrency in the first place. Obviously not, based on the fact that you keep repeating the word “better” without having defined what exactly you mean when using that word.

8. how does it compare to myriad, heavycoin and memorycoins algo?

Too broad… you’ld at least need to specify what specifics you want to see compared when asking for a comparison. After all, a cryptocurrency is so much more than a hashing algorithm. When you simply focus on the algos, you’re missing several security aspects of individual cryptocurrencies, and you’re also missing a big chunk of the parts that can make mining individual coins profitable (or non-profitable).

? …back your comments with evidence…

If you really expect to ever get good answers, you should really try to ask better questions using clear definitions instead of weird generalization attempts.

A good start – for example – would be to point me to papers that handle the “x99” you mentioned in question N° 7. As said: I’m pretty sure you won’t find 99 cryptographically secure hashing algorithms. Therefore, it would be good to be able to check what you’re talking about in the first place. Otherwise, you can’t really  expect “comments with evidence” (what I prefer to call “usable answers”).

I tried the kernel modifications to darkcoin.cl specified in the post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6089358 (locked topic) in my rig consisting of 3x r9 290s (Sapphire, elpida RAM). In case you don't want to click the link to check it out, the kernel modification involves adding the line, "#pragma unroll 1" before the loop @ line 264 (mod 1) and @ line 243 (mod 2). My results were not good:

stock darkcoin.cl: 6.87Mh/s

after mod 1: 5.60Mh/s 18.5% drop
after mod 2: 6.78Mh/s 1.3% drop

I also tried using "#pragma unroll" before these loops without the "1" argument (which disables unrolling) - this resulted in virtually no change from stock hash rate.

damn. changed

cryptohunter is a 17yo kid, hes already admitted that, i wouldnt listen to a word he has to say. you can tell by his posts he's a fat childish faggot

$/watt is the same for all coins 

My input

1, 3. define efficient. $ mined/watt used? kh/s?
2. define secure
4. There are not any that are public.
5. No
6. No
7. Better at what?
8. I don't know

ASICS are good for ecomic and for the network, more hashrate more security, more speed, less electricity. BUT! The price of the ASICs are forking up the mini miners profit like me. (i have 3,7 mhash so far and i cant invest more) therefor new algos looks amazing for us but i realised it is saturating our market. ill quit from mining and will be return when i have money for some ASICs.

Quote:

Warren
Litecoin Dev Team
"...
X11 is Far Worse
X11 suffers from the problems stemming from increased propagation latency and slow verification, and adds even worse susceptibility to ASIC advantage.  It is a mere mishmash of 11 separate algorithms that are now GPU mineable (according to Darkcoin’s homepage).  Anything GPU mineable can be implemented in custom hardware.  To make matters worse, ASIC’s could even have a major speedup advantage over GPU’s.   adam3mus said, “it does seem likely that eg if the unused space due to heat can be filled with the other hashes, then it can all be pipelined together and no slowdown.  the only cost is replicating different hash functions which doesnt seem particularly hard”

So a switch to X11 only delays the inevitable.  Switching the hash to X11 would only spite the current manufacturers while ultimately failing in the goal of preventing ASIC’s later.  It gets even worse.  If the cost of entry for a particular PoW is very high by design, that increases the chance of fewer competing manufacturers entering a market.  This is the worst possible outcome for any Bitcoin-like network that relies upon large quantities of greedy miners to outdo each other to maintain network security.

..."

Sounds like forking is a forking bad idea

Marketing bullshit for what? no ASICS? nowhere in the DRK thread it states it is ASIC resistant all it says it will delay the ASICS by couple of years.

And how did you take "marketing bullshit" from a post that states something that was stated there from the very beginning?


If only you could stick to the topic and not speculate about everything. Seriously dude you have not provided one solid proof to back up you're theory all you have is something you overheard in a conversation of some random dude with another random dude. ... Geez bitcointalk is heading the reddit way, from mature forum to voice opinions to a pre puberty idiots circlejerking and  measuring their cocks.

Grow the fuck up.

x11  is it marketing bullshit

read the 2nd post here

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=18166.0

keep to the rules in the OP and you will be fine... i'm not interested in your speculations. Provide evidences and keep to the topic. Seems easy enough or post your comments in your own thread.

Why do you compare with QRK? QRK is dead and it always was a scamcoin where few people had GPU miner from the beginning and most people thought it was CPU only.

ASIC resitant? Why is that undesirable? Most people agree it's desirable, DarkCoin's dev or Litecoin's dev both have stated that it's desirable to have ASIC miners for the long run, it helps to secure the network.

Now what really is a fact is that my GPU's room is not hot at all, and my electricity bill is smaller, so I mine X11, only a fool (or a troll) wants to pay more and suffer the heat.

There is a supersecret ASIC miner for Scrypt-N, I have 3 of them mining right now, but don't tell anyone!!!

YOu have any proof to back this statement? Or are you just spreading nonsense you read somewhere?

No there will NOT be 20 x11 coins in the next few weeks because YOU will let the coin developers know they all need to focus in Scrypt-N that is a lot more ASIC resistant than x11. Plus there is no secret miner out there like there is for x11 that can do 100% use of the GPU.

Why is this even a consideration when Scrypt-N answers the ASIC resistancy need so much better. Why are we getting distracted by x11?

And x11 is not the answer because the publicly published miner is doing half the speed in mining that privately available miner.

Let's just focus all the new coin developers on Scrypt-N. We need tons and tons of coins to spread the hash power around.

Let the ASIC hardware buyers waste their money making the Chinese grid seed makers rich. Those are not crypto investors, those are idiots like the ones holding a Jalepeno 256 miner in the closet that never paid itself off.

If they stick to the rules in the OP they are welcome to post, however they just try to derail it or use it as a pump thread for their coins.

Stick to the thread topic, bring some evidence to confirm what you are saying and post away.

I really not need post here at all again myself i am happy to read. So it is up to others to present the facts.

Let's not mention any coins here it just generates protective defensive behaviour. There will be 20 x11 coins in a weeks time this does not have to be a discussion of one single coin. It is a discussion of x11 amongst the other new types of algos.

they cant because every response is deleted. Don't waste your time here.

Someone answer these questions