They are coming with a new way to attack Crypto currencies! - page 2.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 26, 2018, 02:26:21 AM

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2018/03/10/we-need-to-shut-bitcoin-and-all-other-cryptocurrencies-down-heres-why/#7153f03b1bca

Their strategy is simple :

Make a clear division between Permissionless vs. Permissioned Blockchains and act accordingly. This will effectively mean that all Permissionless Blockchains will get targeted and Permissioned Blockchains will be supported.

Your typical BankCoins and GovCoins will be Permissioned Blockchains and they will be controlled by centralized authorities. These coins will adhere to all AML/KYC regulations and they will have full control over what transactions will be mined. They will be able to "blacklist" and "reverse" transactions and even block certain addresses, because they control the Blockchain.

We will see them banning "Public" Blockchains and allowing government verified "Private" Blockchains soon. This is coming, because a lot of people are pushing for this.

Let's educate people on the dangers of these "Private" / "Permissioned" Blockchains and stop investing in them. Angry

what the hell? if your news is real, than blockchain will not be decentralized like now.
if blockchain controlled by a system center, then it won't be blockchain anymore.

No, you will still have decentralization with the technology, but in a Permissioned Blockchain those nodes will all be controlled by a single entity or organization.

The public Permissionless Blockchains will be the true version of a decentralized Blockchain, because the public will host these full nodes, like it is done now.

Governments will just have two sets of rules for the different technologies. One set of rules for Permissioned Blockchains and a separate set of rules for Permissionless Blockchains. Angry

Actually, i dont care centralize or decentralize at all, the only question is that which one will do real help to the world development, centralize may have much problems but it can solve more problems, decentralize need to prove itself that it can do something that we truely need

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Quote from: feny.blackpink on March 25, 2018, 10:15:03 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2018, 02:33:24 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2018/03/10/we-need-to-shut-bitcoin-and-all-other-cryptocurrencies-down-heres-why/#7153f03b1bca

Their strategy is simple :

Make a clear division between Permissionless vs. Permissioned Blockchains and act accordingly. This will effectively mean that all Permissionless Blockchains will get targeted and Permissioned Blockchains will be supported.

Your typical BankCoins and GovCoins will be Permissioned Blockchains and they will be controlled by centralized authorities. These coins will adhere to all AML/KYC regulations and they will have full control over what transactions will be mined. They will be able to "blacklist" and "reverse" transactions and even block certain addresses, because they control the Blockchain.

We will see them banning "Public" Blockchains and allowing government verified "Private" Blockchains soon. This is coming, because a lot of people are pushing for this.

Let's educate people on the dangers of these "Private" / "Permissioned" Blockchains and stop investing in them. Angry

what the hell? if your news is real, than blockchain will not be decentralized like now.
if blockchain controlled by a system center, then it won't be blockchain anymore.

No, you will still have decentralization with the technology, but in a Permissioned Blockchain those nodes will all be controlled by a single entity or organization.

The public Permissionless Blockchains will be the true version of a decentralized Blockchain, because the public will host these full nodes, like it is done now.

Governments will just have two sets of rules for the different technologies. One set of rules for Permissioned Blockchains and a separate set of rules for Permissionless Blockchains. Angry

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Quote from: bitbunnny on March 25, 2018, 07:43:40 AM

At the moment I don't see some real danger for Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.
These new coins might be supported by governments but that doesn't mean they will have the support of users. And that doesn't mean you will not have the choice to use the cryptocurrency you want.
It's understandable that governments want to control currencies but that still doesn't mean this will be successful project that will actualy live.

There's no need to ban bitcoin and similar cryptos by the government. It's enough in the current situation that they force the exchanges (only real exit points from cryptos to fiat, except localbitcoins) to implement KYC/AML and that will make selling coins really hard if not impossible in the future.
This can be a real threat, as long as merchants won't accept bitcoin directly for their goods and services. When will merchants accept bitcoin directly? When they can pay with their bitcoin income for their expenses, costs. If they can not, they can try to exchange it, but if the exchanges are regulated, this also will be hard.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2018, 02:33:24 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2018/03/10/we-need-to-shut-bitcoin-and-all-other-cryptocurrencies-down-heres-why/#7153f03b1bca

Their strategy is simple :

Make a clear division between Permissionless vs. Permissioned Blockchains and act accordingly. This will effectively mean that all Permissionless Blockchains will get targeted and Permissioned Blockchains will be supported.

Your typical BankCoins and GovCoins will be Permissioned Blockchains and they will be controlled by centralized authorities. These coins will adhere to all AML/KYC regulations and they will have full control over what transactions will be mined. They will be able to "blacklist" and "reverse" transactions and even block certain addresses, because they control the Blockchain.

We will see them banning "Public" Blockchains and allowing government verified "Private" Blockchains soon. This is coming, because a lot of people are pushing for this.

Let's educate people on the dangers of these "Private" / "Permissioned" Blockchains and stop investing in them. Angry

what the hell? if your news is real, than blockchain will not be decentralized like now.
if blockchain controlled by a system center, then it won't be blockchain anymore.

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Nah it's just forbes trying to catch an eye and make people to read something!

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The problem with permissionless, public blockchains is that anybody can sign up as a miner

Thats the whole point lol, centralization and premissioned blockchain = gives power to the ones who host it. Bitcoin and others were made to be trust-less system that works according to protocol. Of course that some people don't like this and they are scared for what will future bring, they are scared because they know what this can do to financial sector where banks and others got comfortable to be in the control of money = being in control of everything. Now with open protocols since they can't control them they are trying to beat them up to death and only present to you the possible bad sides and not the true side for what it was made for. Even there are cryptocurrencies that are open but don't use mining, what about those? Writer is clearly not educated enough

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Quote from: jseverson on March 25, 2018, 08:52:40 AM

The article made it sound like a big deal, but it's really just some guy making a mountain out of a molehill, saying illicit cryptomining is going to take over entire networks. Viruses that can do that have been in the wild for decades now. No one should be taking what he wrote seriously.

That aspect of the article made the guy seem very new to the whole thing. It was as you say very big when BTC was minable using a CPU and recently made a comeback due to CPU minable altcoins being available now. After the Coinhive JavaScript Monero miner was released it took the antivirus vendors and Microsoft a couple of weeks to block it. That's not a reason to ban blockchains.

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It could be an attack angle in the future, but I don't see it happening. No one ever talks about the issue, and governments seem far more occupied with taxation rules and regulating exchanges. Decentralization, on the other hand, is a hot topic, so I'm fairly sure permissioned blockchains won't make it very far.

The article made it sound like a big deal, but it's really just some guy making a mountain out of a molehill, saying illicit cryptomining is going to take over entire networks. Viruses that can do that have been in the wild for decades now. No one should be taking what he wrote seriously.

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sometimes in this business many competitors, sometimes people always plagiarize what is being famous, but sometimes they compete with unhealthy. you better do not leave the blockchain that has run smoothly, because the blockchain they offer it is always deceptive.

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It makes me think that monero and such privacy coins will decrase too much eventually, most people care about financial privacy but if government dislikes it, how will it be used by average people?

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I hope this will not happen but if it going to happen i will be selling all my coins and will not use and support that permissioned block chain.

They are missing why bitcoin is attractive and that is decentralization. If they ignore this fact i think less people will be using crypto currency.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2018, 03:10:46 AM

You are missing my point. The governments will support/allow Permissioned Blockchains and they will ban Permissionless Blockchains.

There's no difference between attempting to ban permissionless blockchains and attempting to ban permissionless blockchains with an alternative available. Either way it would be a pretty futile endeavour.

That said, there's no decent reason why a government would attempt to ban permissionless blockchains, which is why it hasn't been happening in most countries. The only reason that someone would believe they're trying to do so is because of their persecution complex.

Even if they created a permissioned blockchain, which they haven't, it would serve an entirely different purpose to permissionless blockchains and that would be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2018, 02:33:24 AM

Their strategy is simple :

But who are they?

I do agree with the premise of your argument but I don't see much political pressure or action in this direction yet. I even recall a former head of the SEC saying 'We're not in the business of banning assets'.

It is something worth watching out for, but I think the attack vector is more on the exchange of crypto for fiat than banning Permissionless Blockchains.

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At the moment I don't see some real danger for Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.
These new coins might be supported by governments but that doesn't mean they will have the support of users. And that doesn't mean you will not have the choice to use the cryptocurrency you want.
It's understandable that governments want to control currencies but that still doesn't mean this will be successful project that will actualy live.

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The vast majority of people will support permissioned blockchains just as it is with FIAT NOW
because that is how the financial infastructure is set up and that will continue.
But permissionless blockchains will exist and survive just as they are now.
They may regulate them but people will always find a way around that.

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I disagree with Permissions Blockchains, this is very far from the goal blockchain itself is decentralized. This possibility will entirely be controlled by the government / one institution not by ourselves.
Another case if the problem is anonymity I agree to show my identity in detail. Because of this anonymity that begins to make a lot of crime by using blockchain technology

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Quote from: jjacob on March 25, 2018, 03:37:36 AM

If governments do make this distinction, they would be effectively be banning the use/exchange of truly decentralized cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin. I doubt if any major, liberal western government can take that step without appearing to be a Luddite. They can regulate the hell out of exchanges and institutions using Bitcoin, but to ban them would look to be a regressive step. And let us face it, governments are worried about their image.

Even in the extreme case, if this does happen, people are not stupid. They will see through the permissioned blockchains for what they are - an extension of the current fiat system, with all its associated problems.

I am not going to sit on my hand and hope that the public would know what is good or bad for them. I am going to warn/educate them about the dangers of these Permissioned Blockchains and how this will give full control to centralized authorities to take their investments.

A Permissioned Blockchain is a great threat to people's financial freedom. We have seen what happened when a government had full control over Banks. They closed Banks in Greece and blocked/restricted their access to their money. Also : https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/29/bank-of-cyprus-depositors-lose-savings/2595837/

The government will have the control to do what they want with your funds.

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Like the core devs are creating and solving problems - in the other hands Govs and other organizations are coding to track you down.
And the way I see it - they're doing good job.
So if you0're thinking to hide from big brother's eye I warn you that BTC is not the solution.

You'd better go and grab your cash and stash them under a surveliance area like criminals used to. Or like banks still do.

BTC or other crypto will overtake sooner or later the digital ecosystem payment and be the only ecommerce's gataway.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2018, 02:33:24 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2018/03/10/we-need-to-shut-bitcoin-and-all-other-cryptocurrencies-down-heres-why/#7153f03b1bca

Their strategy is simple :

Make a clear division between Permissionless vs. Permissioned Blockchains and act accordingly. This will effectively mean that all Permissionless Blockchains will get targeted and Permissioned Blockchains will be supported.

Your typical BankCoins and GovCoins will be Permissioned Blockchains and they will be controlled by centralized authorities. These coins will adhere to all AML/KYC regulations and they will have full control over what transactions will be mined. They will be able to "blacklist" and "reverse" transactions and even block certain addresses, because they control the Blockchain.

We will see them banning "Public" Blockchains and allowing government verified "Private" Blockchains soon. This is coming, because a lot of people are pushing for this.

Let's educate people on the dangers of these "Private" / "Permissioned" Blockchains and stop investing in them. Angry

This could be a bad news coming for cryptocurrencies. Educating people to not support this kind of program means we need to have a full force to spread it's disadvantages most especially on our anonymous transactions. If ever this new program is successful then it would start a chaos between decentralized blockchain and centralized one.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 25, 2018, 02:33:24 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbloomberg/2018/03/10/we-need-to-shut-bitcoin-and-all-other-cryptocurrencies-down-heres-why/#7153f03b1bca

Their strategy is simple :

Make a clear division between Permissionless vs. Permissioned Blockchains and act accordingly. This will effectively mean that all Permissionless Blockchains will get targeted and Permissioned Blockchains will be supported.

Your typical BankCoins and GovCoins will be Permissioned Blockchains and they will be controlled by centralized authorities. These coins will adhere to all AML/KYC regulations and they will have full control over what transactions will be mined. They will be able to "blacklist" and "reverse" transactions and even block certain addresses, because they control the Blockchain.

We will see them banning "Public" Blockchains and allowing government verified "Private" Blockchains soon. This is coming, because a lot of people are pushing for this.

Let's educate people on the dangers of these "Private" / "Permissioned" Blockchains and stop investing in them. Angry

according to this link you provide permissionless blockchain will be shut down entirely, or just switch our investment into permissioned blockchain like ripple and other centralized coins out there, this is great threat n the crypto world, if this will be implemented the transaction fees will increase and maybe ban the permissionless coins, but the KYC system is likely solve some issues. and the most worse about it the profitable coins is the permissionless coins and if being regulated it will be a great loss of profit.

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