Topic: They paid me 2.5k usd as a loseback in total.1% so its 6% loseback (Read 953 times)

duckdice do have shady behaviors but I think that is because is managed by kids, no professionalism at all, do whatever they want don't give a shit for users...only kids trying to make money with the others misery, that stuff should close don't deserve the casino status.

Up to 10% (from 0 up to 10), not promised guaranteed 10%. essential difference.

Do you really think, that they keep logs with login history for a year and longer?
Do you know how DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) works? (very few home users have a fixed IP address, most often on request)after each modem restart, a new address was obtained. what is the chance that he has not reset the network/modem once in all this time?

I would give my opinion about this case

First the Duckdice admin 1 was accusing him because the NoMercy66 is no longer the original owner and he's able to pay any big bonus to the original owner. Even he's not promising he would pay 10% lossback, but he would pay a big amount bonus. I and other users have been asked him multiple times to compare the IP history of NoMercy66 account when he's still active betting and right now, but he doesn't reply that question.


The Duckdice admin 2 was accusing him because Dudkdice no longer promote any lossback now, still it's lack of information when the lossback promotion ended and when the rake back introduced.


The Duckdice admin 3 said they already paid all the outstanding 10% lossback to his account but the fact wasn't, it's clear the admin doesn't professional about his claim.


And sorry for a bit off topic there's an another accusation [WARNING]Duckdice.io unbelievable losing Strike..Be Aware the DuckDice admin 4 accusing this user is crewchellenge too (not sure it's overtaken or multi accounts) but he paid to this user because the amount is small ($100) but he doesn't want to pay to NoMercy66 because the amount is big. It's seems they're selective about each accusations, if the amount is small they will pay, if the amount is big they give many excuses to not paid.


As we can see each admin has different opinion/point of accusing this user, not professional and selective. Which admin we need to draw the conclusion?

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As the promotion they didn't mentioned the lossback is paid with BTC equivalent, then I would like to consider to pay it with USD equivalent when Bitcoin price is around $18-20K (NoMercy33 also agree). Since Duckdice doesn't pay 1.3 BTC, the price in USD that time was $23.400-$ 26.000.

I'm just reading in more detail what happened here.
I support flag expecting Duckdice.io to come and give their explanation, seems @bobstone as their moderator give us some details.
Up to 10% does not mean how much exactly, only that it cannot be more than 10%. also here I missed that this complaint came after more than a year of deposit. OP what have you been waiting for so far? would you ask if Bitcoin dropped to $ 1000?

Here are no elements for the flag or negative feedback (by my side). I withdrew it both.

Yeah, full disclosure - he also PMed me asking for flag support. I told him I have to inspect his thread first.


In that case since he hasn't even received 10% lossback then I have to withdraw immediately as the whole accusation falls apart without the fact he received 10%.

I was asked by nomercy33 to Support this Flag. TL;DR: I can't Support it.
Your own screenshot confirms they didn't promise 10%, they promised up to 10%:
It also says the house edge is less than 1%, so it can't be 0%. I'd say it means 0% < loss back <= 10%, and I wouldn't call this misleading.

May I ask you to reconsider? See this post:
I know it sucks in many cases, but for the Flag system to remain meaningful, it has to be followed by the book.

I disagree: OP says he received 5% loss back, the promise was anywhere from above 0 to 10%, which is what he got.

I don't think bobstone accused him of multi-accounting:
Besides, they seem okay with using multiple accounts:
Being the original owner is easy to prove: sign a message from one of the addresses that was used to deposit.

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It sounds like you should stop gambling and start HODLing. You would have had $2 million now, and that's just from your losses to DuckDice, which has had a bad reputation for 4 years.

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Suggestion: add the direct link to the Flag to your first post in this topic.

Already saw that picture. But it doesn't say the key words in BTC.

If the promo material says that then since admin told you that they are denominating everything in USD then that is clear evidence for shady behavior.

Without these words, the site could simply tell people that "USD lossback was implied the whole time it's just that people didn't bother to understand it".

Also if they didn't pay you any loss then since they removed the promo banner after you complained that would warrant a flag.

Since you used the type 2 "casual or implied agreement" flag I will reluctantly support your flag.

Note that had you made Type 3 "written contract violation" flag, I could not support it since bonus isn't even mentioned on their Terms of Service page (the promotion banner you linked in this post is not a legal TOS agreement because it's not in the Terms page).


Since you advertised loss back in the past you should place a clause in your Terms of Service page saying something like ("there is no lossback provided") Also you should write in your Terms of service that "USD lossback is no longer provided" and "Duckdice does not and has not offered BTC lossback" if it's true you only give USD lossback. This is to prevent confusion about the lossback currency.

[If you provide evidence/proof of the multi-accounting  by nomercy then I will withdraw support for the flag].

The screenshot you provided just looks like promotional material and is not equivalent to any rigorous Terms of Service agreement which you probably had to directly accept with a prompt.

How could you possibly argue in good faith when the "terms" would be completely vague except for some arbitrary metric of 'high roller' and whatever 'up to 10%' means. It's like going to court over casual agreements relating to an upcoming contract in writing.

That doesn't resolve much. The promise of rewards is just that: they are not guarantees.

In particular, the language of "up to" gives a range that includes zero. In my eyes, the marketing is equivalent to, "we provide bonuses of 10% lossback to some high roller users," with the keyword being some.

If you show me the official statement where they said that they will pay you 10% of your lossback (in BTC), I will support this flag.

exactly, you have been paid 1.03 btc in a ad-hoc loss back bonus literally more than a year ago which was agreed by both parties at the time, i muted you for making unreasonable demands like this over and over in public whilst we were actually trying to figure out a deal for you in good faith, faith which is now been absolutely tarnished by these demands which lead to us investigating further and finding that your account activity is linked to another user who is known for obtaining high roller accounts and then using those accounts to negotiate / blackmail bonuses.

there is no case here, and i really, really hope the bitcoin talk community can see how unreasonable this actually is

sorry it's not the most measured response i could give but it's incredibly frustrating

guys i will put a reply to this for now while waiting on our official account but https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1676313.3240 it's already been answered here

basically, we had a loss back program that never had any metrics too follow, it was basically a way of rewarding VIP players who had bad luck some return, it stated 'up too 10%' of losses back.

nomercy66 actually received 1 btc and other bonuses as part of this program 1-2 years ago which he was happy to receive and no disputes or negotiations further

this account after no activity in this time, suddenly comes back demanding more loss back, issues aside of proving ownership and original owner, the main point is this user isn't entitled too anything as a) we have already paid in good faith bonuses b) there has been no activity on the account and we no longer promote any loss back as we introduced rake back c) lossback never had any criteria, not a bonus you'd unlock, it was something high rollers could discuss with us and we've given out literally hundreds of thousands back to users  d) ownership of the account is also a dispute but this is secondary too the first 2 points.

there is no case here, and as some forum members point out, prices have moved drastically as well, we did a fair calculation at the time, and negotiated and agreed with the nomercy66 a year+ ago a bonus back, all in good faith, this at this point is nothing but a witch hunt and i truly ask people to consider duckdices point of view regarding it, why would we pay a non-active member a ad-hoc bonus a year from any activity after already doing so when the user was active when it seems extremely likely from the activity that it's not even the original user (which again is secondary to these claims

OP, I am going to support your flag for now (I think one more DT member support is required to be active). I expect user @DuckDice.io to come here and give a possible explanation of what happened in this case.


OP, don't write several posts in a row, In that way, you move into a spam group. gather everything into one post. the moderator will probably do it.

I Just Added a Negative Review On Their Profile. I think you were right. They should pay you. I will update my review if they fix it.

For Your Kind Information, I know a User named @pipipipipi had a rejected withdrawal of $7000 from the faucet on Paradice.in Recently Paradice paid him in Crypto. And Their Support Said, We pay in crypto. No matter what was the rate yesterday And what is the rate today.

Thanks

Well, You deposited a lot of money, You lose them all. They had lossback features, and suddenly they were removed. I think you deserve a 10% lossback from them since it's a Crypto Gambling Website Not Fiat.

They Should Count Everything in crypto and not in fiat. No matter how much BTC price was in 2009. You deposited in crypto, You played in crypto, You should get your lossback in crypto.

On The Footer Of their Website, They Mentioned, DuckDice is a design-driven Bitcoin dice game with Faucet. Aiming to become the best cryptocurrency dice game available on the internet! We are working hard to maintain our reputation of fair Bitcoin dice among many other online casinos and your trust is our priority.

Here is the attachment >> https://prnt.sc/1wuykqr

They call themselves a Crypto gaming website, not fiat.

Mr. Stan. What are you talking about? You should come here and explain this, Or pay him the 10% Lossback that you offered.

Thanks!

It's a classic example of misleading advertising. When it says "up to 10%", it can literally mean anything from 0-10%. I know, it's unfair, but that's the reality of the world today.

Nomercy accept  my Request at discord  i wll send you usable  screenshots  where you can prove they are paying 10% to others but not to you.

No, I did not say you shouldn't ask for your rights. I am just trying to figure this out since you haven't explained everything yet.

By the way, that is a lot of money you lost. Do you think it would be a good idea to cut down on your gambling a bit?
(just an observation, not to be smartass)

This is a bit confusing to me. It has been almost a year since Bitcoin was 18k-20k.
When did you lose 23BTC? When did you claim rakeback? Why did you wait almost a year to ask for the rest?

I guess they calculate it from the btc price when the deposit was made.

You cant expect them to give you 150k$ in loss back when some of the deposits were made at a much lower btc price.

Many sites work like that.

But if their rules state something different then I am sorry if I'm wrong.