Topic: theymos, monetize this forum ;) (Read 736 times)

OP you have a wonderful idea...for Theymos to poop on us with. 

There are some eternal idiots I'd love to see get whacked with a tollbooth fee, but that really would be a naked, bald-faced cash grab on the big man's part.  And I don't think it would enrich anyone else, nor be all that effective.  Well, maybe.  There probably wouldn't be as many throwaway noob shitposting accounts, but I suspect the big spammer cabals would see it as a drop in the bucket. 

Most importantly, I certainly don't want to cough up any moolah to a forum already awash in dough.  We aren't even mobile friendly.

How do you force somebody to join a campaign? even if you are paying $10 per month, you have paid it, whether you'd post or not, there will be no losing more than $10 per month.


Anything more than $0.5 per post is extortion, $0.5 should be the fixed maintenance fee. you are free to pay more.


Where is the incentive if you are paying a fee per post? what are we doing now other than posting on spam megathreads or contributing something useful?


Why would you keep wearing the signature after the campaign has ended?


What if there is no manager? there is nobody managing Bountyhive campaigns.


Are you talking about the same legendary members with 10-20 accounts? they would rather to contribute with alt-accounts since there is no incentive to earn merits for. if you are exclusively using forum to win money, you would continue with spam whether you are paying a fee or not. you would have incentive if what I have suggested is implemented. you either pay $0.5 per post or report any spam/garbage and post for free per accurate report. the money people would pay per post, should be given to top merited members as a reward.

I don't see how such a kind of signature fee could reduce spam. It could even increase it, because users that pay this fee would be forced to participate in campaigns all the time to not lose money.

Let's assume such a "signature wearing right" costs $10 per month. Most signature campaigns pay a bigger amount (~$100), so it's not a big deal for a campaign participant to pay this fee. A $100/month campaign, thus, de facto would become a $90 campaign.

But there is absolutely no incentive for this campaign participant to increase the quality of his posts. He would get his $90 if he posts in spam megathreads or if he contributes with high-quality posts.

Now let's assume the campaign ends. The user has to continue to pay the fee if he wants to wear signatures. So if he doesn't want to lose money, he is forced to join a new campaign as fast as possible. At the end, this can become an incentive to spam, even in times the user cannot or doesn't want to contribute that much.

So those that lose are those that live a "normal forum life", contributing when they want to, and are using signature campaigns as a little "extra money", like it is intended. People that exclusively use the forum to win money can continue like now, and those are the people that are most likely to spam.

I think - apart from the merit system, which I fully support - the better approach is to control signature campaign management a bit stricter. There are very good managers that really read and control the posts and punish and ban those who spam the forum. There are others that don't care about it at all. Here staff should put up clear rules and ban managers that do not follow them.

Bad idea. I linger around the technical support and alternative clients boards to see if there's anything I can assist with. I'd estimate about 90% of the OPs there are newbie or brand-new immediately after making their post. Whether these are alts of more senior members that don't want to look clueless at legendary/hero/SR member level I don't know but as a point, this'll make those board really quiet (everyone will turn elsewhere with issues like the forum Reddit). Or they'll start posting their issue on someone else's thread.

Also the marketplace section has a lot of newbies selling stuff (I think some of those are probably legit trades that take place).

Just your opinion, shitty posters are the same, they are just posting their opinions, nothing else. if this is not the right solution, what is in your opinion? giving more sMerits to low ranks or paying you money every time you post your opinion?


Forum is not paying you for advertising via your signature, unemployed and hungry people are. they are paying you to advertise for them and you are getting paid, they are getting money too, only one not getting anything other than garbage upon garbage to clean up is this forum.


What happens if you are not in a signature campaign, would you post as usual or would you try finding a campaign? when my campaign ends, I will post and keep on being a merit source. you and garbage posters wont do anything if you are not getting paid.

Don't worry, me too. All of us join signature campaigns in order to earn money. How silly to to put a fee on wearing signatures then later paid the one who wear it after advertising. In my opinion, this is not the right solution for eradicating shitty posters, if we really need to check all of user's profile one by one then so be it.
I agree with you on deleting spambait topics but prohibiting lower ranks to create threads? No offense but I object. Rank is not a valid basis to tell someone whether he/she has the right to create a thread or not, as long as the one that you created is informative and not same as "what is bitcoin" threads then I don't see any problem with it.

Pretty sure if new accounts are asked to choose one of the two following options :
Offer their ids with a real time video in order to check 100% their identity or paying $500?, well most of them will choose the first option.
I may be a little bit aggressive toward users in bounties board and trying to figure out a radical solution for their misbehaviour, but I suggest to search for new ideas, this one is a little bit Trumpy (building a wall with mexicans money?).

Rather only the members with less than 10-20 earned merits in the last 90 days should pay a fee per post with signature, paid or unpaid.


Only to check if they have been given merits by sources, otherwise it would be extremely time consuming to monitor who is who and who is doing what with their sMerits.


You don't get to decide how many posts people are allowed to submit. we have spam when you are posting with 10 accounts and 15 posts each to earn tokens after a few weeks or months, main cause of spam production. if you would have to pay $150 for 150 posts, you would never join a bounty if you are not getting paid at least every week. if a bounty campaign doesn't have a minimum of one week payment for their advertising campaign, what they are doing is using Bitcointalk to get money, when they see nobody is joining their crapcoin-token campaign, they would not launch an ICO every day.

As I have suggested a few hundred times already, if you don't want to pay per post, report accurately, and post for free for every valid report. people would spentd their time on finding merit abuse, garbage posts. we would have the current moderators with no need to hire more. members would help to moderate the forum if they would have to pay per post to earn money otherwise.

OP deserves some merits from me, if he had 30-50 posts more than activity.

theymos already monetize this forum, he auctions the ads slot on this forum
charging a few bucks for signature privilege will not reduce spam, in fact it will increase spam exponentially
people will justified themselves after paying 'signature tax' to the 'authority' (theymos)
and the 'authority' thru mods can't ban spammers with ease, there will be conflict of interests

Some of ICO's end up being spam, and their tokens worth nothing. Most of the people here make no more than 500$ from bounty if they're not lucky or senior members. That is from 2-3 months of posting. I agree to pay if I have a nice colorful signature and ability to wear avatar;D. Then all ranks will be basically useless.

Who will decide signature is paid, It simply mean everybody should need to pay for signature for whatever purpose they are using.
(I simply see, somebody create a forum /or secret deal outside to sell signature here and every user can claim it is  personal signature)


The forum is global and there is so much economic disparity in world, I think then we need to decide the price individually for each country of the world.
 
Let me go to principle of economics to explain how paid signature will not help in reducing spam.
Let take example of oil , If company buys oil at $100 ,they will take profit and let say they will sell at $120. Now if they buy oil at $150 , they will not going to sell at $120, they will sell at $150+. So paid signature will just add the cost of advertising.


We should decay the sMerits. Theymos was already aware of this scenario of Merit abuse while implementing it.



The real problem is forum is not getting more members but it is getting more fake accounts and they are posting rubbish.
To add value to bitcoin we need "head" not more hands.




I also earlier thought of "Removing signatures or sig ads globally." might be good solution but now google and facebook against crypto ads and we remove it from here also, then  they are left with very limited options.

Now coming to real problem of spam.

I think SMAS list is a good initiative.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/smas-signature-managers-against-spam-light-version-1545652

Whoever caught spamming should be added to list with timestamp of first occurence.
Two more column of occurrence/number of time  and latest timestamp added in the list to keep track, how many time user spammed and last time when user caught spamming, and if somebody caught spamming more than 2 times in a week, then ban the user for a week.
User who is featured in this list will have there signature disabled at once (So they cannot take part in any sig campaign.)

if even 10% of user here use "Report To Moderator" to report spam  then in no time we will get this list populated.

Additional step we can take to further filter out.
Only user that have earned Merit (not default merits by virtue of rank)  in last 3 months are allowed to take part in sig campaign.
Check of merited post to verify that merit is not traded.
Campaign should not ask more than 14 post a week