Topic: Theymos OUT OF CONTROL !!! - page 2. (Read 1049 times)

How many months did it take for abuse of the merit system to become a joke? That has to be record time for a new feature. This is yet another example of Theymos wanting to have his cake and eat it too. You want to remove merits you think are invalid, but then you don't want to apply that rule universally, only for the people who are "more equal than others". I see him moving in the right direction, but I think he still doesn't quite get the dynamic at play here.

Your post would really be helpful if you provide links on what you are talking about. Because members like me cannot grasp on what you are accusing to theymos. I haven't seen any known members lately being destroyed because of the rules being sent out by theymos. I don't even see how he is protecting someone by the way he acts in the forum right now, I only see that when he applies changes everyone in the forum is affected not only one.

Don't worry, I sprinkled some apolitical merit on it to balance things out.

You see this post gets 10 political merits from a proven trust abuser and it is actually net negative.

You need to read a post if you want to comment on it.

This is bigger than me or thule it has far reaching implications for the entire forum and the free speech afforded to everyone here.

Sorry that you are not interested in that but at least you got some "merits" for posting net negative nonsense from a proven trust abuser and someone who is implicated in extortion schemes amongst other dirty shit.

If you can't be bothered to read the post then don't comment on it  just click ignore.

Let me challenge you though to locate and present the INCORRECT information presented in my post. Then I will present the CORRECT and IMPORTANT information contained.

Show me a better way against the abuse i received.
Complaining is easy but show me an effectiv better way how i can defend myself against such abuse?


Stingers pointed to another abuse or do you consider your post worth merits ?
Cause it seems merits are nearly only on Meta provided and to your post because it was against me and cryptohunter.

@theymos, please note, an example of merits awarded on political basis

Hope you react to this as you said.

I'm not keeping up with the cryptohunter drama, nor have i read the thread, but i just felt to point this out;

It's really sad to see that all of these threads/posts complaining about the state of the forum basically boil down to typing down as much as you can.

@Thule @Cryptohunter, do you seriously think ANYONE is still keeping up with the walls of garbage you're writing down?

Half of the forum is illiterate/can't speak basic english. You really think this is the best way to get your point across?

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At this point: No one cares. The world nor the forum revolves around you.

This is the result of having unwritten rules and no standards for rating. People want to follow the rules (usually) but if they aren't actually written down then how exactly are they supposed to follow them? This is a well known precedent in law, that in order to convict some one of a law it has to be available to the public for review, for this exact reason. Since the rules are not written what we have instead is a patchwork of OCD vigilantes looking to increase their own profiles by throwing a few hundred people under the bus whether they deserved it or not. They are free to interpret the unwritten rules as widely as possible.

They don't have any standards, no proof needed, it is just a matter of convincing enough people to not be called out on it. Even if some one wanted to call them out on it they would simply be dismissed, much like everyone is doing here. Then of course the user gets increasingly frustrated and more vocal as anyone accused of a crime they did not commit would. You poo poo the annoyance of all the threads while never legitimately addressing any of these people then wonder why they never shut up. Because you are fueling them by being dismissive retards.

I too find these posts annoying, I find it annoying to have to post them myself some times, but just because you find it annoying doesn't mean it does not serve a purpose. Theymos thinks having no official rules is helpful some how. He is wrong. I sympathize with his intent, but the result is worse than what he is trying to avoid by not having set rules. The presence of these kind of threads is continual proof of it.

Ask suchmoon as she bought this way an account where i'm the only one tagging that account where she demanded from all DT members to remove their taggs even that account was offered for sale and later sold.


But since your first intention was to bash my post i would recommend to re-read my post since comparing apples to pears doesn't make you look good.


Just to summarise.....
Suchmoon bought in 2018 an account and noone (buyer,seller,sold account) got a red tagg even he tried to sell that account without informing anyone about it.
Myself i just tried to buy in 2017 an account were forum rules allowed it and got the permission from a mod and got my account destroyed

So now someone explains to me why the diffrences of action of these DT members please.


The account she bought
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gleb-gamow-349097

seller didn't received a single tagg.
suchmoon bought the account where rules clearly states now that buying accounts is discouraged .
So if i buy today an account and say the name of the account that it will be in my possesion it will be legit now ?
If so! i haven't bought any account so why did i received red taggs in the first place ?


Double standard heh ?



And to theymos some final words shame on you for letting them destroy my and many other people accounts who really contributed to that forum in the past and  didn't scammed anyone.

tl;dr? Am I still allowed to exist here or what?

So, it will okay if I buy an account from a friend because he needs money to buy food his kid which was 2 years old. Meanwhile, he doesn't have money at all.

I would not trust suchmoon at all.

1. she observably  "red trusts" persons for "supporting" a "possible" scam.
2. she then adds to her trust inclusions "proven" liars, proven trust abusers, proven sneaky racist trolling sig spamming puppet accounts and "possible" extortionists.
3. she excludes person who point out these untrustworthy persons past deeds and also attacks them in public.
4. she is a caustic bully and front man for liars and other untrustworthy scum.
5. she is NOT an excellent member at all unless those things make you excellent


she has observable double standards and is a caustic piece of shit to deal with. People accuse me of being caustic but if you retrace my history here in "merit board" i started off very civil and diplomatic but she is simply a total asshole to deal with and only responds to being treated as the sneaky bullying snitchy skank that she is.

Same for her colluding ass kissing "gang" which laughably they claim does not exist when anyone can see clearly they all slather each other in cycled merits, all included each other and many of them collude to exclude the same people and bunch together in any thread where one of them is called out for the shit they pull.

Trying to create a decentralised control system on an anonymous forum that crushes scammers and leaves free speech untouched and a board happy with the "decentralised" governance is likely IMPOSSIBLE.

I  mean even trying it risky but starting it off with people that are already proven to collude and also be VERY untrustworthy and quite likely to be scammers themselves is pure folly.

My opinion is that Theymos is overall GOOD but is willing to let some people get roughed up a bit by these goons. I speculate that he takes a machine like approach to making this board the environment crypto needs.

He notices these scumbags also happen to be very willing to spend hours trawling the board looking for "other scammers" to legitimize their claims to "power" (which is reward enough for most of them to motivate their efforts)  and to justify any "net negative" actions they take.

So he is thinking well let them help regulate the scammers and cheats here (although mostly it is whack a mole) and if there is a bit of collateral damage here then tough shit for now on those that get "unfairly" treated to a scam tag for standing up to their high handed double standards crap.

I mean in fairness to Theymos he just said scam tags are for scammers and for those strongly related to scamming. Guess what though the scumbags here don't give 1 fuck what he says because so far he is very slow to bring any actions at all to those that do not follow his guidelines. He is too relaxed. I mean THE SAME group implicated in an EXTORTION scheme suddenly act as a GROUP again to red trust someone who brings suggests persons examine their past history here to discover what they are really like. This is the OPPOSITE of what red trust is for. You cant have liars giving red trust to honest persons. That is fucking madness.

Also I think he has some kind of other highly paid job and probably does not research too deeply things that some of us that are anal about the forum are wise too. So he may not realised just how scummy and dirty the pasts of some of these merit sources and DT are.

To me anyone that says suchmoon is an "excellent" member needs to review her entire history here. She has always been a caustic little bully (or tries to be) and even now her "net positive" is far less than I believe he has miscalculated.

An excellent memeber should be

1.fair
2.honest
3.helpful
4.sticks up for the weakest
5.fights bullies
6.pushes for equality
7.puts the good of the forum before their own selfish personal financial gain.



Hanging only in meta can give a very distorted view of this board and the members on it. I have been a part of many many many communities and also spent many hours studying persons here and I say a lot of the best have left and most are now not posting much. What you are left with here in meta is a concentration of nobodies and big old nothing burgers.  Most have supported scams in the past for financial gain and have a history of bullying people. The rest are a bunch of noobs that are ass kissing these bullies and manipulators and adopting their politics so they can simply be granted access to PAID2POST at the levels their "masters" are.


Also Theymos is too easily coaxed by some others. I mean removing "politically motivated" merits was a terrible and unjust move the really does support your argument that he favours these scummy little dishonest bullying shits a bit too much. Most of their merit is politically motivated. I mean people like foxpoop and suchmoron seem to have endless merit to sprinkle to anyone that backs up their political agenda here.

Merit is the main issue here. Suchmoon seems determined to to enforce this broken nonsense and tell everyone that it is given to the "greatest posters" and most valuable who are therefore for some reason the most trustworthy??
However, then debunked her own argument by telling me " Good Poster or Bad Poster are MEANINGLESS terms without criteria and definition. So this MEANINGLESS nonsense is now the key to running the board and crushing free speech.

1. tighten the systems of control so they are transparent and treat every person fairly and equally
a/ mandate for merit and trust with strict criteria and punishment for breaking it
2. get rid of this notion of decentralised systems and just go back to a THEYMOS elected DT and do not give merit any use except for stopping account farmers. That is all it is useful for at this point and it should be decoupled from rank after snr rank. I mean after taking all this hassle to reach snr then if you start spamming and abusing it will be a big risk to have it banned or all of your merits deleted.

I am not so ungrateful for the things this board has given me and what has started here to say anything really negative about theymos, but really he does need to investigate much more deeply into the pasts of the people his systems are enabling to grab power here. Also the implications of such abused systems for the future free speech of this board. They clearly motivate an echo chamber and punish dissenting views. There can be no sensible argument against this."

It is possible he has worked out the "long" game here where these systems will eventually start to show some kind of self regulating however I do not see it unless you make 100's of new merit sources totally disconnected from the "meta gang" and soon. The 250 cycled merits threshold and those infesting the key positions to me say the system could not have had a worse start.

I am still very hopeful about the forum long term. I just think we need a bit of a wake up call before the entrenchment of bad eggs gets a little too deep and unassailable.

Merit was useful but now we are trying to build skyscrapers upon foundations that were originally developed for mud huts. Stick to using it for keeping away account farmers only and cut it off after snr.  There is little meaning to it so let's not fool ourselves it is some kind of objective metric with universal meaning including being trustworthy. It is ludicrous.



Not true. Ridding the system of proven liars and other untrustworthy scum is not untrustworthy in itself. That is simply not true.
Actually a decentralised system requires exactly this type of action to keep things in check. To immediately remove their merits and take away one merit source who actually stands out from "the gang" is an act to crush any real attempt at decentralisation. Suchmoons suggestion I note. More snitching from that turd. Always all coaxing and servile when addressing Theymos I notice what a little snake.


TLDR - Theymos is likely trying to do good -- but he needs to realise starting off a decentralised experiment with proven untrustworthy scum entrenched deep inside the trust system and fully weaponized with more ammunition (merits) to hold off their opposition and other honest members who speak out against them is a DREADFUL  start.  The systems are wide open to abuse, provide incentive and motivation for abusing.
I worry more about general free speech here in future.

It was allowed by the forum rules.I even asked via PM a mod for permission to buy an account for a friend and got a positiv reply.
There were no info on the forum rules that account buys are discouraged at that time.
If you are on a forum and if you don't know if something is allowed where do you check if you can proceed or not ?Forum rules ?



So tell me who created the conflict ?Me beliving in the forum rules and reply of a Mod or an Admin having forum rules which are not in line with DT member consensus and allowing to get tagged as scammer for following forum rules and Mods decission ?


Theymos clearly said that it was ok and red tagging for that was an abuse of the trust system.



Like i said legit members dumped as collateral.Something the old community would never accept.

Whose alt are you?

I guess bitcointalk will survive if some members will part.
Maybe it become stronger and the focus will be again on development and technical topics than on selling, altcoin announcements and scamming.

just my 2sats...

 

Ofcourse theymos will allow these abusers to ramp here,he doesnt care about how most of the forum feels about these abusive people.Dont waste your time,i already given up this fight the admin itself cannot control these hierarchy,not him nor satoshi can handle this situation.

RIP BITCOINTALK.

Thule, you were implicated in account selling. That thread where loads of you excluded trustworthy members to try & manipulate DT1 was untrustworthy too.

I think your best way of trying to repair your damaged rep is to reset your trust settings, apologise to anybody you’ve pissed off & probably more importantly stop creating threads which make yourself a target to get hated.

You probably can help your account but you’re not going to repair it like this.

Seriously what have i to lose ?An account which got destroyed by some DT member abuse ?This account is dead for business with people i don't know.
Of course noone can show me a single scam accusation on my person or anybody claiming i cheated on him in the 6 years i'm on that forum but still i'm being marked as one of the worst scammer on that forum and why ?
Because i obey the forum rules and tried to buy an account which were allowed by the forum rules with no information that its being discouraged at that time and even had the permission of a forum mod to do so.
When complaining about the negative trust being called a scammer (because i checked rules and asked for mods permission via PM before trying to buy an account) i got flooded with negative trust from the abusers group who intentianly destroyed my account and defamed me.
So tell me what did i so bad that i as a longterm forum member deserve such a treatment and being marked as the worst scammer on that forum ?

I blame theymos on that cause he is the admin who allowed this kind of BS giving a fuck about individuals losing their accounts because of that shit.
I got a second time flooded with negative feedback for trying to change DT members to members i support.Even theymos said that its in his eye an abuse of the trust system what they did to me
wtf did changed ?NOTHING.I got still the negative ratings and the abusers give a fuck about it since there are no consequences.

So tell me what do i have to lose ?To get more false negative taggs ?
Destroying peoples longterm accounts because of horseshit will lead only to one thing that they will be forced to open new accounts and hide that fact or buy some accounts and to push them to violate rules which they don't want to do.





You think i give about more negative trust a fuck?What can happen ?My trust rating increasing from -200 to -500 ?
uncomfortable ?I doubt so i'm now uncomfortable for the abusers since they have nothing they can extort me anymore.


But if somebody can show me a single person i cheated on this forum to deserve that amount of negative trust will get $500 from me.



You wanna know why i used to love that forum ?
Because of mprep and his unoffical forum rules list.

It was a very smart list preventing that members will receive these kind of abuse.
But once the stupid DT experiments started hundreds of legit accounts got destroyed and being laughed as collateral


Something which would be never accepted in the old days which you demand back.
Even Mods of that forum openly admitted that there are accounts who got falsly destroyed by these DT members.
Did you saw one account being restablished by them?Because i didn't.

Exactly these group of people just hangin around in meta topics and sharing merits between themselves for bashing banned people or finding plagiarised posts.
These merits system turned to a aggressive tool in Meta forum , i barely see any merits givin away out side of meta section.

What was the purpose of merit system ? it was suppose to be "Meta forum rewards to being harsh and Find plagiarised posts" ?

Why do you feel so passionate about somebody else’s account that you have no link to?
You’ve gone out of your way to criticise the guy who runs the forum, it’s not a good move buddy.

With a trust rating like yours I think you’re best to keep a low profile, keep out of peoples way, otherwise you’re going to make your time here even more uncomfortable.

Edit - Nice edit to add Local Rules AFTER I posted the gif btw