Topic: Theymos why should we use external script for find important data like ban/merit - page 2. (Read 828 times)

I'd be happy if theymos can add a weekly data dump for banned users. Or even if it's only once, that's enough to be able to keep an external list up to date using modlog.

As pointed out, people who are banned for plagiarism very rarely only plagiarize once. If I come across a post I suspect of plagiarism, I might spend several minutes Googling parts of the post and running it through a plagiarism checker to see if I can find the source. If it comes back clean, but I really suspect it is plagiarized, then I'm now searching to see if it has been auto-translated and plagiarized from another language, or maybe I'm checking some of the other posts made by the user to see if they are easier to find a source for. This is a huge waste of time if the user is already banned, and could be better spent reporting other spammers/plagiarizers.

Sometimes they do get removed and sometimes they don't. Depends on the mod. I used to remove them mostly but personally I like to leave them now because more often than not they ask for evidence and in the past I haven't been able to find it again. People have even disputed their ban once the posts have been deleted claiming they never even made them in the first place (which is always a lie). Leaving the one that was reported behind isn't much of an issue anyway because plagiarisers usually don't just plagiarise the once but many times so more often than not it's a different post that is reported.


He has changed the message recently. It now states something along the lines of you were probably banned for copy and pasting.


As above, it's both. Deleting the one post isn't going to make much of a difference, but other mods probably do delete the post, but it will be rare that that's the only one they've copied.

Great suggestion with solid backing (reasons why it should be implemented) and maybe the rank changing to banned suggested by hilariousetc could easily do the trick. I would love to add, how about giving the banned account a short period of time like weeks to appeal their ban (for the not so obvious offends) directly form that account instead of them creating an alt account to appeal their bans?.

Do you mean people reporting the pliagarized post which got the user banned or some other spam post of the user which is still available to the public?

If a banned users post is still public (which it often is, except the account get nuked), and it is a spam post, should it not still get reported and deleted if necessary?
It is visible to all, and other users can still comment on their threads, so they should be moderated as active members are.

Since theymos hasn't implemented a reason for a ban in the ban message,i doubt he'll yield to this as well,and both matters or suggestions are really of importance and if implemented would save most people's time and at least reduce unnecessary threads.
Most times banned users posts gets bumped up to the front page,such posts could be the plagiarised one or not, and it could get merits,merits that probably could have been handed to a genuine member to rank up,wasted/burned.(another reason why it should be implemented)
I really think this suggestion would be of help in here, and to spot easily those who aren't with us here anymore.

Matter I have mentioned already on OP and hilariousetc also explained you. There are many reporter reporting spam and plagiarism. If report banned user what is the benefits ? Only waste if time of mod and reporters. I don't think it will effect much on database since thousand of spam post making daily. Can we stop them ? Is it not effecting on database ? If we can see banned status on external source that means it's publically already. Or if admin want to keep it hid then he should not allow to make such as external script. So what's is different if show on forum itself ? It will save few merit from dry and time of reporters and mod. If banned user important wealth of forum forum don't want to expose them whither they are already exposed on external script.

Yes, we do. Please actually read my post directly above you, or do you think there's a purpose in people pointlessly reporting already banned users time after time and staff having to waste countless hours on handling them? Also, please explain how it takes up space in the database. Staff can already see who is banned so making that available to the public changes nothing other than saving both staff and reporters time.

Why should it matter if a user is banned? Do we really need to process such a useless piece of information here and take up the database of bitcointalk. All that matters is who is still here now...

I think vod added it because it wasn’t so hard to implement and he has to scrape the modlog anyway so why not just sort that?

I’d like for the return of user stats pages before or even if this gets considered to be implemented but I think both take a lot of unnecessary computing power.

Edit ahh hilarious I didn’t see your post earlier, why don’t offending posts get deleted once a user is banned though? It takes an extra bit of code and an extra space on the profiles for everyone (unless there’s something built in or personal text is changed or something).

^ that
Otherwise we’re allowinf users to leave behind a legacy

The rank should probably just be changed to banned or something for permabanned users, like it is on many other forums, or at least marked on their profile somewhere as it already is for staff, but I think theymos is against this for some reason. He should probably state so though and clarify because this is something many people have requested in the past. It actually has a purpose as users and staff often have to waste time on handling reports for users that are already banned.

First I want thanks who had made external script for find profile details like merit and banned user.

But question is why should we use external script to find out such as important thing like merit history and banned user. This is hard to implement or any other reason behind it ? Especially some times if we need merit data we have to use external script. People's are reporting plagiarism but they need external script for check user banned or not.


Regarding merit data, currently showing 120 days sent and received history. It's ok for by default. But how it will be it if you add a option for input from date and to date for search merit history? So there is not need extra scrip to find full merit data. We will able to find it on our profile.


I think more important to mark banned user. Like we can see green on profile or on post if some one is online. Like below picture,


If offline then showing offline on profile. So why not show Banned on current status for ban user? Reality is he has got ban, that means his current status is banned. Even banned user able come online but he can read only, he can't reply or can't send PM. So online or offline for a banned user is same for us.

I am not hater banned user but we should know it, for example send merit to a banned user is equal to dry merit although his post deserve it but there is no benefits. Plagiarism reporter could easily find who has got ban already without any external script. How it will be if banned user status like below picture ?



I am not suggesting any thing new because I think it's was suggested multiple time. But my question is if we are able to find details by external script so is it not possible find directly from forum?

I will not believe that someone will use continue banned account for reading post only. Obviously they will create new account. So I don't see any major issue to mark them banned on their profile.