Topic: @theymos.Fake conversations becoming a serious issue. - page 2. (Read 714 times)

I can tell you that we can't fight this kind of thing with so "soft" rules, and by that I mean that temporary ban should be no solution, such a measure only delays the inevitable, and creates a lot more work for those who report, and those who handle reports. If you notice that someone deliberately breaking rules even after the warning, then only solution is perma-ban.

What about temporary freezing of account (automatic by forum) if users is reported for spam more then x/xx times in one day? But to prevent abuse only selected users report could automatically freeze someone account until mods decide what to do with it. This is not something that exists, but perhaps it could be implemented in new forum.

I talked privately with JollyGood last year and I can tell you that I am pretty sure that he is not doing that, although his methods are strange. 

Btw, these fuckers are sending army of their shills when someone ask them legit questions, I remember one thread (I will have to find it, can't really remember which one it was), I asked them few questions and bunch of accounts start spamming thread, I was reporting them in real time to moderator (they posted some crap and I instantly reported them) and eventually I gave up (maybe I reported whole thread afterwards, can't remember, it was a year ago). It's just like a defensive mechanism, call them scam and they will "hide" your post, if you know what I mean...

My most of good report from that kind of thread. But lately I am not reporting much (also I have lack of time) because even there is obvious spam admin not encourage to temp ban. At least spammer could learn from it and spam will stop for a week by that user. Because when someone will get temp ban then he will be careful next time. If I am not wrong I have proposed temp ban for that kind of user. Reporting them is one kind of useless activity since thread already bumped and that user could bump it again. So I believe there should be some restrictions.

I don't want to speak for iasenko, but I don't think he is accusing JollyGood of being a participant in the bumping scheme.  I think what iasenko is saying is that JollyGood's efforts might be counter productive by giving the scammers someone legit to argue with and instigate.  I tend to agree; the best thing to do in situations like that is to report the offenders and post as infrequently as possible in the thread. 

JollyGood is very persistent in posting many times to expose a scam. I don't think he gets paid for bumping the threads.

I would agree with you except I do think these idiotic posts should be reported.  It's still very annoying to pull up a thread and see that most of the posts in it are people on your ignore list--and that's exactly what's going to happen in the future if these posts aren't reported and no action is taken. 

Only on bitcointalk do you see these types of shenanigans.  I've never seen a forum where people utilize multiple accounts in order to hold a fake conversation among them.  It's almost a LOL, except it's really annoying.

Nice.  Haven't seen you around lately, and it's good to see you haven't disappeared.

Great but what about the others? It's just a matter of time the other "suspects" to join the conversation... I'm talking about :
1. 255x (Full Member) OmDaN (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/omdan-1098615) (Trust:  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1098615) +0 / =0 / -1)  (1 Merit earned (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1098615.html))) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=OmDaN))

    
     6. 138x (Sr. Member) LilitKha (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lilitkha-1014849) (Trust:  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1014849) +0 / =0 / -1)  (0 Merit earned (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1014849.html))) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=LilitKha))
     7. 112x (Full Member) sashu

The situation with  JollyGood is a bit weird, he is accusing them of being a scam project but in a way that he is provoking again hundred useless bumps. He maybe trying to prevent some newbies from falling in the scam trap but still, it can be aslo a new technique for advanced bumping service, having someone to argue with. This is just a hypothesis...
    2. 240x (Sr. Member) JollyGood (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jollygood-1016855) (Trust:  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855) +3 / =0 / -0)  (89 Merit earned (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1016855.html))) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=JollyGood))

Note: some of the user info format is taken from LoyceV's post

What if just delete the thread completely to prevent these spammers to bump the stupid thread? Isn't it possible?

I posted something similar about fake conversations with sig spammers last month:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52191148

Yes I am a hypocrite since I am wearing a sig and posting here, but looking through other bumped threads it is very similar.

So, instead of a sig, if they get $0.25 a bump and you have 4 accounts that are all you talking to each other it's easy to make a couple of dollars an hour talking about the weather.

You can ban sigs, you can't ban bumping. You can't even slow it down w/o permabans and more mods.

The other issue remains of if you penalize threads that have more then a certain percentage of removed posts, how quickly will people message bomb threads they don't like with newbie disposable accounts to hurt the OP of the thread.

No idea on a good solution other than more mods removing messages and more bans but as I said above. If I they can't make money bumping, they might go away.

-Dave

I'm also reporting a bunch of them although that seems utterly pointless. No offense to the mods - they're doing their job - but what really needs to happen is a change in bumping that would make these "conversations" no longer effective. There are a few very proficient bumping circles, probably service-for-hire type of thing. I did catch some of these users with plagiarism but they'll just come back with new accounts since rank/activity/merit/etc doesn't really matter here.

I banned Dorvei & Crypto_Boss. This is one of the things that should be looked into by an admin but it likely won't.

I'll list posts from remaining users:

I don't think that's going to matter much, if they run out of Full Member accounts, they can continue with an unlimited number of Newbies.
I'd be in favour of permbanning them though, especially if they're hacked accounts. At least it clears the pool of higher ranking spammers.

The list
The following users have posted x times in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinsbitio-cryptocurrency-exchange-official-thread-4971628
This does not mean they're all bad users.
Merit is based on last Friday's data dump. I only show Merit if there has been at least 1 transaction. If it shows 0 Merit, that means the user has sent Merit, but didn't receive anything.
Trust is only shown if it's non-neutral.
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you cant fight them maggot,theymos wont stop these spammers because they are the reasons why bitcointalk.org has a lot o traffics.Theres no existing spam-free forum FYI.

They are bought or hacked accounts. They don't even care about the feedback left by adolfinwolf. No one has reported the thread for allowing incentivized posting yet?

Totaly agree with @iasenko
Same person with farmed accounts talking to himself.

TEMP BAN is needed, or some other restriction for Newbie users.

Recently I saw same thing on one of my Topics with this members:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/floaton70s-2657070
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/replecant5b-2645954

It is connected with many other accounts I reported to moderators...
Few more:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/westworldnp-2665632
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ricardoiiberkley-2643589

Firstly those notorious users can be placed on you ignore list as first measure to tackling it.

I have just gone through the thread and I can see you brought their notice to something