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"BSV is a scammy project created by two conmen"
This is a topic for theymosisms, and likely does not relate to BSV. I don't think we should discuss about BSV here. Did you really publish your post in wrong topic, that would have been published in BSV's ANN topic.
For Steamtyme, yesterday, theymos made announcements on Trust Flags, that is totally new system in the forum, with lots of clarification posts. I suggest Steamtyme to create new section for this in the topic.
Say Bye to Trust Drama, Welcome Flags
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There is a newest post of theymos on Trust system, that should be added in the Trust section of the topic, there. In this post, theymos clearly states his opinion that if someone leave wrong negative trust on others, that user should be readily to wait for negative trusts from others as back-and-forth negative trust. Hence, negative trust should be used appropriately at the first time to avoid such uncomfortable situation and other drama on Trust system.
I was always intending to choose a random subset of 100 once more than 100 became eligible. This creates more people who have a credible threat of retaliation: if you give someone negative trust for some stupid reason, you have reason to worry about them or a close friend of theirs negative-trusting you for a similarly stupid reason, if not in this month, then in a future month. I think that it pushes people (without forcing people) toward acting in-line with consensus, so that any retaliation against your sent negative trust always gets the sender excluded definitively.

IMO it'd be nice if in the future it's a subset of 100 among a pool of 250+.
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Newest one from theymos on suggestion to add new board/ child board for Blockchain Developments. In fact, theymos rejected to create such an unnecessary board/ child board. I am not sure about your strategy to manage the thread, but in my opinion, you should create a new category, suggested namely like 'Denied Community Suggestions'. With issues relate to things in all listed categories in the OP, you just add newest statements of theymos there, but for strange suggestions that beyond all current categories, adding them into the new one might be appropriately.
Agreed. I've heard very few worthwhile use-cases for "blockchain tech". When companies say "blockchain", they usually mean "broadcast everything to everyone and expect them to store it", which doesn't scale and isn't a new concept anyway. The real application of blockchains - decentralized timestamping - can be very useful, but it's not a holy grail.

It reminds me of this (replace "cloud" with "blockchain"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8
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Not your keys, not your coins!
One more post for the thread, on the access of theymos to bitcointalk.org and bitcointalk.org DNS.
Please add.
Of course not, do you really need to ask?

 - I was made a forum admin in 2011, after Satoshi left. (Silk Road also appeared after Satoshi left.) I didn't have any special access to bitcoin.org until around 2013, and in fact I didn't even have any access to the bitcointalk.org DNS until 2013.
 - I've never bought or sold anything on Silk Road, Hydra or similar sites; nor did I have anything whatsoever to do with their operation; nor AFAIK did I even have interactions with anyone involved in running these sites. While I am opposed to drug laws, I have never used illicit drugs, and in fact I also abstain from alcohol & nicotine. Furthermore, since the beginning I have warned over and over again that Tor is not secure against active government attacks: I wouldn't be found dead running one of these sites.
 - I never had any interaction with CSW. I don't have any keys related to CSW's (probably fictitious) SSS thing.

CSW's whole shtick is to just lie constantly. He's so brazen about it that some people think, "there must be some truth there," but really it's 100% nonsense.

I admit I was a little tempted to troll the world by roleplaying CSW's allegations as totally true...

Emails Registration and Privacy
BTW, email is a big privacy issue in general. It's too expensive (mainly time-wise) to create new email addresses, but if you use the same one, it creates tons of links. Ideally, you should use one email per service. I've had two ideas in this area:

First, you could create a simple email forwarding service like this:
 - Without registration (but maybe with a tiny fee via eg. Lightning), take a user's email address, generate a random key, and use the random key to encrypt the email address.
 - Also encrypt the email address with a server secret.
 - Give the user an email address of the form [email protected]
 - When the service receives email at a forwarding address, it decrypts the email first using its server secret, and then using the provided decryption key. Then it forwards the email to the email address
 - To destroy forwarding addresses, users could provide the service with both their forwarding address and target address, and the service could then send a confirmation email.

This would be convenient, and it'd fix the problem of services being able to connect users across multiple sites through email-address reuse. But it trusts the forwarder not to log the per-email decryption keys or give up the server secret key. Though if multiple services like this existed, you could chain emails through them to increase security.

My second idea is:
 - The user would be using his own software (like eg. Thunderbird or perhaps prontonmail). From this software, the user could instantly create low-capacity throwaway accounts on the server. Each throwaway account could be (or behave similar to) a POP3 account with low capacity (eg. 50MB) and quick message expiration (eg. 60 days).
 - The client software would use Tor and careful polling to download all of the messages on its throwaway accounts without leaking to the server info about which accounts are connected. To improve anonymity and efficiency, you could perhaps use PIR, or the server could publish hourly/daily bloom filters meant to match email addresses which received mail in the time period. The client software would collect all of the messages into a single inbox for the end-user. Since it polls frequently, the client wouldn't have to worry about the low limits on the individual throwaways.
 - The server could anonymously require a small one-time for each throwaway account by using blinded bearer certificates.

With this, the server shouldn't ever be able to connect any of the accounts together. You could also send mail from the throwaways.

The main thing necessary for this second idea is a really smart email client meant to juggle many throwaways. You also need a cooperative server allowing quick account creation (like cock.li), ideally via an API.

theymos is one of three admins, in 2011
The active administrators are currently:
theymos (me)
Gavin Andresen
sirius

Sirius runs the server.
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Be a bank
Well, that's a change Cheesy I'll need some time to process this, maybe probably it's for the better, but it looks like theymos now officially got himself a part-time job as a quasi-lawyer?

I am one of the world's foremost experts on quasi-law, after all. Surely you've read my widely-cited article in the Journal of Laws or Whatever titled, "A new approach to the rigorous design of legal systems: just worry about it later."

In the heat of battle, here is theymos being droll. Maybe offtopic for this thread. Is there a thread for the more humorous side? I'll delete if you need.
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Sorry I'm on mobile and will update better later.

Yes I'm pretty sure that is -some long time member- with an alt of the day for whatever reason. I only grab quotes from obscurity to the and fill in the gaps of knowledge for the forum.

Theymos has an entire thread i came across once discussing altcoins but it doesn't reflect a forum system or policy so not really something that mattered for this thread as far as i was concerned.

I will spend time this weekend to go through the topic to find relevant snipits left by theymos once more become available for clarity.

Edit: by obscurity I mean publicly posted within the forum pages accessible by most users..
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This is a topic for theymosisms, and likely does not relate to BSV. I don't think we should discuss about BSV here. Did you really publish your post in wrong topic, that would have been published in BSV's ANN topic.
For Steamtyme, yesterday, theymos made announcements on Trust Flags, that is totally new system in the forum, with lots of clarification posts. I suggest Steamtyme to create new section for this in the topic.
Say Bye to Trust Drama, Welcome Flags


I think theymos may have said something to that effect in some PMs he sent to a few members. However, this is what he stated on the open forum.

~snip~
I hate having to "defend" BSV and BCH, which were created with deception in mind, are technologically bankrupt, and are run by huge assholes, but you can't say that their supporters broke a contract with you when they didn't. Give them a newbie-warning flag if you want, but not a contract-violation flag unless they actually broke a contract with you. (Note that you might have a case for breach of implied contract if you were actually tricked into buying one of these coins instead of BTC.)
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"BSV is a scammy project created by two conmen"
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Update with theymosisms on Trust system and 'Trust Appeals'

There are aspects of the trust system that are clearly less than ideal, some of which are probably solvable (and some probably not). But caucusing with people who have very clear and serious questionable behavior isn't going to help you convince people of anything. Anduck had a good case for the trust system being broken. You (cryptohunter) might've had some case for the trust system being broken if you had handled your initial trust issues with rationality and patience instead of absolutely losing your mind and throwing lies around, and even now I could imagine your red trust eventually being cleared if you were able to attain a stable mindset. olcaytu2005 on the other hand hasn't even attempted to defend himself against the accusations (from several independent widely-trusted members, based on publicly-available data) of knowingly assisting scams, so he does not have a good case for the trust system being broken.

There are a lot of pointless "summarize something obvious" posts, but IMO btcsmlcmnr's summary added something.

Forgiveness and de-escalation are key to getting Trust working smoothly:
 - Forgiveness: Often people make fairly small mistakes, but then they seemingly get red-trusted for life. This isn't really fair, and it discourages participation due to paranoia: if you think that you have a 1% chance of running afoul of some unwritten rule and getting red-trusted for life, you might just avoid the marketplace altogether. Red trust should mostly be based on an evaluation of what the person is likely to do in the future moreso than a punishment/mark-of-shame.
 - De-escalation: If some people end up locked in a feud where they're only really giving negative trust to each other in retaliation for negative trust, then one of them should propose burying the hatchet and removing the negative trust. Otherwise it never gets resolved, and everyone is worse-off for it.


After reading this post, I created my guide here:
Don't over-create Trust Appeals; keep minds/ emotions stable. No more Red
Maybe, this thread is helpful for people whom usually over-react with their negative feedbacks.
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Newest one from theymos on suggestion to add new board/ child board for Blockchain Developments. In fact, theymos rejected to create such an unnecessary board/ child board. I am not sure about your strategy to manage the thread, but in my opinion, you should create a new category, suggested namely like 'Denied Community Suggestions'.
That's not a bad idea. Most of it is covered in this post here it was a sweeping response to a lot of proposals. Re: Community generated suggestions to improve the forum (+ eventual voting on them)
One of the issues is that theymos doesn't directly state yay or nay to a lot of suggestions so they do sort of float in the wind. I may take a closer look one weekend and see if there are a significant mount of those denials but I don't recall to many.

Thanks for the last one. I had been reading it a bit on my phone. I was surprised to see the tit for tat approach being a tool towards curbing behavior. I'll gt it put in there. Overtime there will probably be a need for some other categories or add- ins. I'll likely just create a post and link it to OP when it happens.
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trust system is a big mess,lets face the truth no bullshits.

Then give a better suggestion on how the system should be operated and if it sounds reasonable and achievable I'm sure theymos would give it a second thought. You should note though dissolving the system isn't an option as that'll only make the forum worst as spammers will be able to rank-up easily and scammers or potential scammers would be disguise as the average forum user, which will be chaotic.
got an idea on  how the trust system will operate better,what if when all of the feedbacks negative or positive will only shown to some boards which includes trading,hide in in most of the boards? the drama will stop..altcoinsections and bounty sections are the source of the spams in the forum?so be it its just trashy discussions so lets leave it to those spammers those who dont want to see spam do not go to those boards.Leave the feedbacks to those boards that includes trading,money,selling and buying stuffs...

feedbacks are only required to those boards,kaboom the drama will stop or better..

remove the signatures completely.
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IP/ Retention / Privacy

I wrote a new unified IP logging/retention system, and I changed the way backups are done in order to ensure limited retention on certain privacy-sensitive things. See: https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php

Previously I said that IPs are only logged when you post and in some limited other cases, such as when you encounter certain errors. This is no longer true: you should now think about IP logging as happening constantly.

There's now an option in your account settings which will allow you to reduce retention of your logged IPs to 3 months. You should only consider enabling this if you've staked a pubkey in the thread and you're sure that your account email is correct. I'm not sure if 3 months is enough to respond adequately to all abuse; we'll see, and I might change it later or perhaps restrict it based on rank.

I considered putting a warning on trust pages for users who have enabled limited retention, since it theoretically might make legal action against them more difficult in case they scam you, but my current thinking is that this is kind of pointless because someone could just not enable the setting and use Tor for the same effect. And it'd be both privacy-invasive and futile whack-a-mole to try to indicate when people are using proxies. On the other hand, scammers are often pretty stupid, so I could be convinced to add the warning.

Is this change in response to some government order? Just asking...

No. Previously IPs were logged sporadically but usually kept indefinitely; this is an overall significant reduction in retention.

It's a bad idea to provide any IP log to the user themselves. Compromised accounts happen and the situation could become worse if the attacker can access your IP logs.

Right. Though if someone really wants to know, I might consider manually giving them their logs after verifying that their account doesn't look hacked.

Logged IPs are logged forever, but IPs are only logged in certain circumstances (such as posting). Just logging in doesn't result in your IP being permanently logged.

I am willing to cooperate with police on real scams. Whenever someone asks me to release a scammer's IP, I tell them to have police email me from an official police address. I have received police requests a handful of times. Mostly the cases were real scams and I gave the police the requested info. In some cases I've rejected their requests. For example, I refused to give information to some foreign version of the SEC because securities laws are unjust. Of course, you should not trust that I will act in your best interest. If you want to be anonymous, then you must use Tor (or whatever).
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fuck this list,theymos itself doesnt follow his own guidelines.He does allow alts but these abusive people on DT are keep tagging those who have alts.
fuck this list,theymos itself doesnt follow his own guidelines.He does allow scamming but these abusive people on DT keep tagging those who scam.
nice,that would be plagiarism if you copied my statement  Smiley you can now go to sleep and dream about sucking your own cock.
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Logged-out users will now see a warning in trust-enabled sections if more DT members neg-trust the topic starter than positive-trust him.

This increases the responsibility of DT members not to give negative trust for stupid reasons, but only for things that cause you to believe that the person is a scammer.
Trust display and warning for newbies to avoid scammers. This newest post by theymos should be added in your collection. Furthermore, you can see how the warning message looks like.


I made my topic for Guests:
Guests - Read Warnings on potential scam projects started by Neg Trust Users
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trust system is a big mess,lets face the truth no bullshits.

Then give a better suggestion on how the system should be operated and if it sounds reasonable and achievable I'm sure theymos would give it a second thought. You should note though dissolving the system isn't an option as that'll only make the forum worst as spammers will be able to rank-up easily and scammers or potential scammers would be disguise as the average forum user, which will be chaotic.

Actually let's move those discussions to the appropriate and already existent threads. It serves no purpose to inject these opinions and discussions into every thread out there. Now if you find some lesser known quotes by theymos that can help spur discussion or provide insight I'd be happy to see them.
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trust system is a big mess,lets face the truth no bullshits.

Then give a better suggestion on how the system should be operated and if it sounds reasonable and achievable I'm sure theymos would give it a second thought. You should note though dissolving the system isn't an option as that'll only make the forum worst as spammers will be able to rank-up easily and scammers or potential scammers would be disguise as the average forum user, which will be chaotic.
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Thanks for gather all important quote of theymos. Sometimes it was very hard to find few important quote for use reference on the topic or reply. So now I have noted this thread and it will help me for quick search. Good collection.
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I might consider to change the title of my topic or lock it, because the fact is Steamtyme's topic is better. And if Steamtyme add a new category as my topic presents, I believe I will lock my topic for sure, because I don't want to spam Meta board. However, I might rename my topic before locking it. In addition, you are right that people tend to feel more comfortable and easily to click on their Send button if they read a topic already merited by prominent members. I don't have issue with that, it is just my own feelings, there is no jealous there at all. Anyway, merits are not the one I aim at. It is a lie if I said this months ago, but for now, I think I feel happy when I can do something to contribute and help forum members (oh, merits, they will naturally come)
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~snip~

Glad to see you've gained some traffic and traction on your thread. For what I've been looking to do I won't be adding your list, but feel you should maintain and bump it, especially if theymos makes more mentions of projects. I'm more interested in capturing the snipits that tend to get lost in the fold but provide some insight into the forum and theymos.

I would suggest to not come off so "woe is me" I honestly lost interest in what you were saying for a bit, but made a note to go back and look. That with comments about merit, make the effort seem disingenuous, from my perspective.

~snip~

That's interesting I hadn't considered going outside the forum for information. I'll probably add the link to that info somewhere near the "origin story" quote. I'll have to check it out myself I must admit I never really got into reddit, but that would probably be a good read through. I have read some of the old discussions but not many, I like going down the history rabbit hole on slow nightshifts. There might be some quotes there I list or make a 3rd linked post about, out of interest, but I'm hoping more people start going back to the past themselves . You may also feel free to create a reply of quotes you like for future readers.

~snip~

Yeah I was reading up on that on my phone. This is a good example of something that would have made the list of I did this in a few weeks. I'll add the quote in later under in the second post.



As always open to suggestions or discussion if you disagree with something.
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You can add some tricks in April Fools. Especially in the past year.
I can add some information like his age, almost 26 years and how he knows about Bitcoin.

I am a 21-year-old computer science student in the US and an avid bitcoiner since early 2010. I am the head admin of the Bitcoin Forum and the top mod here, though I didn't create either community. I wrote Bitcoin Block Explorer and ran it for a long time, but it is now run by Liraz Siri. I am one of very few people with a copy of the Bitcoin Alert Key.
You can read more here ----> I am theymos. AMA.

you can also add

Probably I will leave someday, but not now.

If these websites or my reputation end up being damaged/destroyed, then that's acceptable. At least I tried to do what was most correct. What wouldn't be acceptable to me would be to give into demands that I know to be incorrect.

There are some political, Altcoin and public discussions between him and Satoshi.
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