Topic: Things said, and fights picked while we're waiting for our BFL products - page 3. (Read 4723 times)

I like how mem completely ignores all the happy BFL customers mining away...

Maybe he's just jealous that he didn't believe BFL miners were real earlier on.

Oh really?  I'll just take one small example from your growing pile of lies.


Lie after lie after lie.  Keep it up, Mem, good work!  You might want to re-read the quote you made.  The burden of proof is indeed upon the claimant.  You are making claims, therefore the burden of proof is on you.  

You claim they are using 2nd hand chips.  Prove it.
You claim I make baseless claims.  Prove it.  Show me a single baseless claim I have made.

1 and 3 are the same, tired argument.  No one disputes they miss their shipping dates.  It's never been a point of contention.  That is, as usual, the only "fact" you've been able to provide throughout the long and sordid history of your posts.  I have already provided many examples of poof positive counter claims to everything you've said and you fail to respond to every single one of them.  


I'm going to have to say that bringing out the "Burden of proof" argument (especially when you don't even understand it) pretty much qualifies as you pretending like you wern't just bitchslapped yet again.  So... nailed that prediction as well.  

So... here we are, 3 for 3.  Lets go for four:

Mem will next repaste his post above, saying I don't understand the burden of proof.  He will try to make the claim that somehow his claims aren't really "claims," but "facts," even though this is no evidence (only speculation) for these "facts."  

PS -

I love the lie about running my "rants" past the local atheist club (population: Mem).  That's a good one.  The thing is, if you had actually run the entire conversation between you and I past anyone with even a smattering of logic, they would be laughing in your face uncontrollably.

I agree with the second part of that

Im all for it, but Im not up for a 30min abuse session from Inaba.
he is unable to dispute any of my claims (or unwilling) and he does not seem to understand "burden of proof" or debate methods.

It would be exactly like sitting down with a WBC member and debating the existence of God, all you will get is screaming abuse and spittle flying in your direction.

yet another baseless claim.

You really really do not understand simple concepts like the burden of proof do you (assuming this is not a purposeful display of ignorance).

You have raised 0 points - everyone here is reading the same thread, please cease your childish lies and pathetic distraction attempts. Please answer the questions raised or shut up - I for one am tired of the baseless claims you and other BFL fanboys put forward. As I told you previously and you still do not seem to understand what "the burden of proof" is.

Ive been running your rants past the local atheist club as you provide an excellent example of arguing based on faith while believing you are arguing on fact.
They suggested this reading material for you: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Skepticism

This quote in particular that applies to you is:


Let me know if you need help understanding that - Im prepared to patiently explain this you you however long it takes.

Allow me to reiterate the points I have clearly raised you have been unable to address.

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BFL,  At least A Dishonest Company UNCONTESTED FACT, Quite Possibly A Scam.

1) False advertising regarding shipping times from day 0 until current- UNCONTESTED FACT
2) False advertising regarding Chips - Claims it is their own design, in fact they are reusing 2nd Hand Chips. - CONTESTED FACT Burden of proof lies with BFL, currently they have 0 credibility due to previous lies as do you. All available information points to them using 2nd hand chips.
3) Accepts numerous pre-orders while being unable to meet delivery dates or production volume (Still stinks of a scam here). UNCONTESTED FACT
4) Numerous BFL Shills plugging BFL on the forum UNCONTESTED FACT - You Inaba are now my prime example. All your claims are baseless and you attack anyone that dares question BFL or yourself and your argument tactics reek of confidence tricks.

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So please, spit off another rant and I will re-paste the outstanding issues with BFL that you have failed yet again to dispute, or try to apply some critical thinking to this issue and how you plan to prove anything you have claimed. If you cannot (and Im 100% certain you cant), accept that anyone believing you is choosing to do so in good faith and not based on sufficient evidence.

my single is sitting here runnning just fine for two weeks now.

looking forward to getting my next 3...

and then ordering more

Who else is feeling a Google conference call with these guys?

BANG!  Right on the money.  

For my next trick:

Prediction time ... though this is a two parter, because it can go two ways at this point:

1: Mem will say he's done with this because it's pointless to argue.
or
2: Mem will "laugh" and pretend like he wasn't butthurt by the fact that he's been bitchslapped repeatedly but is too ignorant to understand what's being directed at him.  

Bonus prediction, in a recursive fashion:  He will make a comment with regards to number two, refuting that he's actually butthurt and will claim that no one has bitchslapped him and everything he's said is golden; everyone agrees with it and those that don't are too stupid to realize his brilliance or are BFL fanboys.

They are sanded and lapped, others in the industry say they would be unable to source the "old" chips unless sourced second hand or paying ~$2000+ new.
These are 2nd hand chips, they have already been caught out in other numerous lies - it would not surprise me to in the least to see 1 more lie added.

No other FPGA developer has hid the identity chips used and definitely has not made outrageous lies claiming they developed them themselves.

What is your major malfunction here ? Do you guys really have such a flimsy grip on reality ? Should I expect this from all BFL supporters ?


There are none, WTF are you talking about.
Inaba simply failed to defend his massive double standards.


Inaba I appreciate you kept it short, but Im disappointed when put on the spot you cowardly refuse to answer questions posed.
i see you either scream abuse, side step or insult  but never ever address points raised.

Pathetic, go back to crying at MTGOX for your own failure to read a FAQ.

^ me

Since when does anyone reveal the source of something that keeps them in business? Wanna bet on the response you would get if you went asking all the rest of the FPGA devs where they get their chips? I'll bet it would be something along the lines of go away, retard, although perhaps a bit more diplomatically worded.

I see you conveniently sidestepped all of Inaba's well placed arguments, and basically took it in the ass. Does this mean you finally give up on your ridiculous and inane claims that have no proof? Good, because everyone was getting tired of the same old bullshit. Now if you please, go find the nearest bridge and find out whether you can fly off of it.

Good work mem, you did exactly as I predicted!  Go Mem!  Your failure to reply is epic!

Just to recap:


Check, check and ... CHECK!  Hat trick!

Next prediction: He will whine about "NO I didn't, you didn't answer me!  Waaaa!"

I see Inaba is still unable to respond without throwing a classic E-tantrum.
Anyway - yes they are 2nd hand chips, unless BFL can point to a supplier who is prepared to announce they have a realtionship with BFL and do indeed supply new chips (will never happen).

What stinks is Inaba is this same person who is flaming the shit out of MTGOX for a small delay insists that everyone "SHUT THE FUCK UP" when questioning BFL for delays. Such an obvious double standard Im starting to think Inaba is actually just a scammer playing the long con.

Here is an excerpt:

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WARNING - RIDICULOUS LEVELS OF DOUBLE STANDARDS AHEAD

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This is everyones complaint RE BFL, the difference being that MTGOX always address public concerns, the only buthurt users Ive seen are botnets admins (yes Inaba could be a bitcoin botnet bitch).
So note the extreme double standard, he insists you can trust BFL with x3 times  this money.


Yet again a double standard - it seems this behavior is completely defensible for BFL but unacceptable for bitcoins biggest exchange.
The only difference being is mtgox has the money you are waiting on and we are not certain if BFL's even exist in quantities above 50.



Yet again another double standard.
Apparently it is fine for Inaba to spit the dummy and attack MTGOX in 1 of his now famous e-rants, but should anyone such as myself politely air concerns about BFL's practices - get ready for the abuse from Inaba & his sock puppets.




Double standard, apparently its fine for BFL to lie for over 6 months but you wont trust a company that has a security breach and announces it ?

Explain yourself Inaba.
Without one of your immature e-tantrums if at all possible.
Possible BFL purchasers please note Inaba's double standards - do you really want to trust someone who is so inconsistent ?

The warranty is 6 months.  I purchased the units expecting them to last at least that long.  Even if they all die the day after the warranty is up, I'll have still made money on them.

So, what's your point?  Everyone has the same information.  Everyone buying them knows that they are only warrantied for 6 months.

Again, it absolutely DOES NOT MATTER what chips they are.  The warranty period (and thus expected lifespan) of the units is 6 months.  Anyone buying them with expectations of them lasting longer than that is taking a risk that they will not, no matter what chips are used!

No he's just the parcelboy that ran off with one of their shipments.

Grow up dude, and quit trying to make yourself look stupid.

SO you DO work for BFL then ?

Might be wise to state a disclaimer when you promote them so fervently !

The whole "second hand chips" thing is mind boggling.  Mem's lies not withstanding, I have seen their chip shipments first hand (and hefted a 500 ct package of them) - if they are second hand, they are fine quality second hand goods.  The whole second hand chip thing is a baseless claim.  If anyone with more than a passing familiarity with the industry thought hard about it for more than a few minutes, it's fairly obvious how they acquire their chips.

Just wait till that $60 chip in your BFL dies. Who knows its condition after it has been second hand used.

Some last 6 months, some last 7 months, some may last past a year. Sucks if it dies after 6 month warranty is up.

I laugh in your face at all your contradicting statements. You can't seem to decide whether you are for or against them. Reference the following quote, and compare it with the one above:


Get your shit together, man.

Am I the only one who see's the irony here?