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As OP mentioned there is a common understanding about the term accumulate. When we get into the discussion about investments, this have got varied meaning. When the price have reached the bottom it is the right time to accumulate. Whales does it when the bottom is reached. Common people doesn't have the mind to invest buy and invest at the low bottom.

When a person knows to make an investment at the bottom, there is no need of such complications on watching different applications to keep track of the market. Accumulation is preferred for long term and for people users who get into trading practice buying at the bottom can benefit out of the Whales Alert, Clank App, WhaleMap, Whale Watchers, WhaleBot Alerts and all.
But unfortunately it is almost impossible to know the bottom point of the price of btc because everything is just a prediction, when many predict that the price of btc will no longer below the $20,000 because it has passed the $22,000 mark but it can still be lower than $20,000, so if you really want to invest and is not a person who has a lot of funds by collecting them little by little even though they don't know where the lowest price is then it's not a problem, especially if you already know the meaning of investment itself is long term, not done to wait for prices to rise in a short period but rather to secure assets and make the asset value grow to reduce the impact of inflation.
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As OP mentioned there is a common understanding about the term accumulate. When we get into the discussion about investments, this have got varied meaning. When the price have reached the bottom it is the right time to accumulate. Whales does it when the bottom is reached. Common people doesn't have the mind to invest buy and invest at the low bottom.

When a person knows to make an investment at the bottom, there is no need of such complications on watching different applications to keep track of the market. Accumulation is preferred for long term and for people users who get into trading practice buying at the bottom can benefit out of the Whales Alert, Clank App, WhaleMap, Whale Watchers, WhaleBot Alerts and all.
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Yes, exactly whales will always be or at least they'll try to be unpredictable in trades.
And it'll be hard for an average trader to understand everything when the market moves to disregard technical indicators.
Also, whales will be responsible for major pump and dump that shatters the market and most new traders.
If the average trader can analyze how the market is moving, they will probably see signs of where the market is going so at least they can see if it works for them or not. And if they don't see it as an opportunity, they don't have to go into the market and wait any longer for the opportunity to come. But most traders are trying to get into the market even though they are not convinced.

Maybe the whales are responsible for the pumping and dumping in the market but we can't blame them for what they did because if we didn't panic, we wouldn't have done anything and could have bought at a low price instead.
It is difficult to analyze the current price movement of bitcoin for the short or medium term except for the long term, and trading for the current situation in my opinion is difficult to make good profits. even if you can profit maybe only a small profit and even then if you are lucky and do it seriously and full time.
and we can't blame the whales for the role of the whales to pump and dump suddenly without thinking of small investors, and I prefer to take advantage of the current situation to do DCA because I think this is the best way for the long term because I don't want to bother looking at the market whose direction is unclear, and in the long run the direction is clearly profitable and most importantly patiently waiting for it and doing DCA.
Investing in Bitcoin does not need so many things to learn and acquire before getting to know how to invest properly in Bitcoin and get to buy and sell at the right time. Bitcoin is a trending coin and it determines the movement of other crypto project whether bullish or bearish which is the reason why we need to get familiar and understand the concept of buying and investing in it.

I think getting some trading idea and knowledge can be another reason to understand the concept of how the Bitcoin market moves. So many phases of Bitcoin and pattern so we need some important things to learn that can always enlighten us on how we can always go about investing in Bitcoin at the right time.
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it turns out that there is still a lot that I have not learned even in the strategy of accumulating bitcoin itself.
But I'm more worried about my mentality in trading. I am often wrong in making decisions in making purchases. maybe I haven't studied properly what resistance and support lines are. so sometimes I still feel panicked when going to buy and also when going to sell. because sometimes I'm confused where to put my order. sometimes when I put a buy message it always doesn't get hit. and the price bounced before it hit my buy order. so I panicked and bought in a hurry in an instant.
That is part of the reason that DCA is a better strategy than trying to time the dip when you really cannot have very high levels of confidence about if the BTC price is going to dip more or if it has already dipped as much as it is going to go.  Almost no one is going to be able to time bottoms and tops, and if you try to establish a strategy in which you are not stressing about when are the bottoms, then you will probably start to feel better after you have been into bitcoin for a while.  Sometimes it can take several years before you start to feel comfortable with your BTC accumulation because a large number of people do not tend to have lump sums of spare money that they can invest, so they tend to have to invest slowly over time.

So for example, if you decide that you are going to invest $100 per week over the next 6 months ($2,600), then you might try to time your purchase each week, but maybe if you are frustrated about trying to time the purchase, you just buy at any price during each of the 26 weeks.. so you are sticking with a budget and maybe trying to time the bottom but not getting too stressed out if you cannot figure it out because over time you are continuing to build up your number of satoshis to the best of your ability and you realize that it is very difficult to time the price. and even supposed smart people get these timing of the BTC price matters wrong on a pretty regular basis.
Looks like I really have to learn and apply this DCA strategy. because after reading your explanation. I think the strategy you wrote seems to be able to keep my psychology in accumulating bitcoin. because to be honest, I've been accumulating at irregular times and without knowing the DCA strategy. So mentally and psychologically I was a little disturbed, such as quickly panicking and in a hurry because I was constantly chasing prices in purchases. even though if I can accumulate gradually little by little with a routine every week maybe I can be calmer. because the goal is to accumulate.

You are adequately describing the difficulty that exists in attempting to balance the amount that you are investing in such a way that should help with lessening the amount of panic that any of us can feel in terms of feeling that we have either investing too much into bitcoin or that we have not invested enough, and by the way, your previous practice of investing irregularly could still have been considered to be some variation of DCA - even though a more pure variation of DCA would be attempting to invest more regularly and systematically rather than being less purposeful about it (as you may have been doing previously).

I believe that you are more likely to learn more about yourself and your own sticking points when you are purposefully trying to focus on the matter in terms of applying a regular practice and by trying to NOT become too impatient about what you are doing, and I am not even suggesting that you set it and forget it but instead you can put something into practice and then you can review it from time to time and tweak it and then you can also consider how your practice plays out while the BTC price is changing and to see if there are points in which you are getting anxious regarding if there might be something that you can do to make yourself more comfortable.

Let's stick with my earlier example in which you already set yourself up with a 6 month budget of $100 per week that you are going to invest into bitcoin for the next 6 months, and you had already established that the amount is a fair balance because you have projected your cashflow out for 18 months (or some other timeframe that you believe is reasonable for your circumstances), and you have already accounted for your various incoming cashflows and your outgoing expenses, and when you plot out your whole time, you can see that there are some irregularities that are projected in your cashflow, but you have spare cash in there to cushion out the extremes, so you feel really comfortable that you are not going to miss the $100 amount that you have already allocated towards buying bitcoin every week.

As one, two or three months go by, you can look at whether some aspects of your income or expenses have changed, and then you can also have plans to increase the amounts that you allocate towards BTC or to reduce it, and maybe you want to keep your DCA amount the same but instead you have another category of funds that you place in categories of buying on dips and/or lump sum investing, but overall you might have a preference to keep the DCA amount to be the same and to just play around more with some of the other ways that you might either increase your income coming in or to reduce your expenses.

Part of my point is that you are likely going to learn more and more about yourself while you are learning new information about bitcoin and maybe even other investments, your levels of consumption, ways that you might increase your income, ways to organize the information and even to project your various balances going forward and/or your thoughts and feelings towards those things.

30 years ago, I would have various paper versions of my budgets and my projections, and of course, the more that I was able to have access to computers, some of the computer programs (such as spreadsheets) became less expensive and even easier to use and even more powerful.  Excel has been a pretty powerful tool in which you are able to create all kinds of formulas, but even using some of the more basic functions, you are going to be able to copy and past (and tweak to the extent necessary), and to save your work, and to be able to go back and look at some of your formulas for how you had been projecting going forward had ended up playing out in the real world.

Some of my projections of my cashflows from 20 years ago have similar formulas as the ones that I am using today, but there will be various points in which certain categories were added so they were not present in my earlier versions, and even for me, I can see that bitcoin was not part of any of my investment and cashflow projections before 2013, but then as I added bitcoin to my projections, I have some supplemental worksheets in which I see that I added new categories of assessment after I had been into bitcoin for a while then I realized that I had to change some of my categories of information (assessment) based on how much value had gone into bitcoin and then how BTC price performance (for me first down in 2014 and then flat in 2015 and then later up in late 2016 and thereafter) had also caused me to feel that I needed to reassess how I had previously been looking at some of my earlier information that I had compiled about my investment and cashflow projections.

We cannot necessarily rush any of these matters, because even though I have always had some ongoing targets to always invest/save at least 10% of my income (even 30 years ago), some of my numbers from 30 years ago look way smaller than how the later numbers started to build and to grow over time; however, it is my contention that I would not have been able to increase some of the numbers at dates later down the road if I had not gone through those ongoing building stages.  Sure, it is possible to get lucky, but it seems way more likely to have higher chances of success by consistently and persistently engaging in practices to build rather than to gamble with investment portfolio assets.  In other words, sizes of financial portfolios are more likely to come through building rather than gambling, even though I am not opposed to taking risks with portions of portfolio value, and to realize that the riskier portions may or may not end up building in value as much as the more conservative aspects of the investment portfolio.  

It is difficult to analyze the current price movement of bitcoin for the short or medium term except for the long term, and trading for the current situation in my opinion is difficult to make good profits. even if you can profit maybe only a small profit and even then if you are lucky and do it seriously and full time.
and we can't blame the whales for the role of the whales to pump and dump suddenly without thinking of small investors, and I prefer to take advantage of the current situation to do DCA because I think this is the best way for the long term because I don't want to bother looking at the market whose direction is unclear, and in the long run the direction is clearly profitable and most importantly patiently waiting for it and doing DCA.
As long as we're not in a rush to make a profit and only really buy when the price drops drastically, it might be a good time to buy it and keep waiting until the price really gets a pump.

I hate to be repeating myself over and over; however, members keep repeating the idea of buying on dips as if it were the same as DCA, and it is not.  DCA is a different idea, which is buying regularly no matter what the BTC price.  Of course, buying on dips can be supplemented into DCA, but pure forms of DCA do not attempt to predict the BTC price and just buy regularly no matter what is the price.

Since I believe that DCA is the most superior of strategies for beginners who are aiming to get a stake into BTC, my recommendation for beginners is to start with DCA.  Of course, if you want to be more interactive with your BTC investment, then you can supplement your DCA strategy with lump sum investing and buying on dips.  

Beginners who do not have a lot of confidence in their abilities to attempt to predict the dips or even to spend adequate time involved in watching the BTC price should just start out with pure DCA and maybe later down the road reassess if they want to get more involved in looking at the BTC price and/or trying to time dips and setting up their budgets to supplement with such buying on dip strategies.

Usually, after the price drops drastically, the price will get a pump and even if the pump is not very high, it is enough for us to make a profit. And if we can repeat that, I think the gains we get could be huge.

It tends to NOT be a good idea to include trading in any BTC accumulation strategy which you seem to want to calculate your profits in terms of making dollar profits, which may well ONLY result in short-term satisfaction, and trying to sell to buy back lower tends to end up in a lot of people losing money and getting too emotionally involved in trying to figure out which way the BTC price is going in the short term, which again does not tend to be a good strategy to accumulate BTC.. if accumulating BTC is the goal and if the goals are to attempt to build in the long term.. such as 4-10 years or more into the future.

And if you don't want to be too busy trading, maybe the DCA strategy is a good one because you keep buying bitcoins at low prices and have to adjust your funds. With the DCA strategy, you can collect bitcoins slowly and not in a hurry, which is good for your profit growth later.

Again.. you are repeating the idea in which you are mixing up DCA and buying on dips... Those are two different ideas, even though you can attempt to do both.  There is nothing wrong with attempting to do both if you want to attempt to do both, but you do not need to attempt to do both.

I think we never know if the whales will blindly do pumps and dumps in the market but with the notice of large assets being transferred to the exchange it is possible that the whales will do it, but true if there is no panic then this might cause any problems even can face the market more relaxed when anything happens, let it be a waste but seeing the prospect of a decline it can buy more if you want to say buy dips.
I think we can adjust more and more the direction of the market, if it declines then we should think more that it's a golden opportunity to buy.
That's true because the whales will pump and dump on the market suddenly and make many people panic. After all, it's too late to act. They can only follow the movement and try to enter the market. Some of them were able to profit from the situation, while others were caught in a panic and ended up at a loss. Right now is a good time to buy bitcoin as the price is still below but we also have to be careful not to try to buy when the price gets a pump because the price will go back down after that. So only with analysis can we do to find the moment to buy and sell.

You are advocating a kind of trading, and I don't necessarily disagree with you; however, trading is not easy to accomplish (especially shorter term), even if you think you know what you are doing.... and in this thread, seems to be emphasizing BTC accumulation for the long term rather than trading, and sure there can be considerations of longer term trends that also might attempt to accumulate more when the price seems to be down and to shave off some profits when the price is up.. but probably not making moves that involve getting caught up into trying to figure out short term BTC price movements, which you seem to be advocating attempting to figure out those kinds of short term price moves.  

By the way, we have had plenty of instances in bitcoin in which people have sold very large portions of their BTC stash because they thought that the pump was not sustainable and they end up selling way too many BTC too soon.. and similar dynamics have happened with price drops in which people buy way too many BTC too soon and then they run out of money to buy more when the price continues to drop.. and sure, I am not suggesting that you are not aware of these possibilities, but the risks to one's BTC portfolio can become quite great when they get carried away with making short term plays that end up making their situation worse than if they had just stuck with a more consistent long term strategy that involves ongoing accumulation without so much regards to price and/or trying to figure out short term BTC price movements.
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It is difficult to analyze the current price movement of bitcoin for the short or medium term except for the long term, and trading for the current situation in my opinion is difficult to make good profits. even if you can profit maybe only a small profit and even then if you are lucky and do it seriously and full time.
and we can't blame the whales for the role of the whales to pump and dump suddenly without thinking of small investors, and I prefer to take advantage of the current situation to do DCA because I think this is the best way for the long term because I don't want to bother looking at the market whose direction is unclear, and in the long run the direction is clearly profitable and most importantly patiently waiting for it and doing DCA.
As long as we're not in a rush to make a profit and only really buy when the price drops drastically, it might be a good time to buy it and keep waiting until the price really gets a pump. Usually, after the price drops drastically, the price will get a pump and even if the pump is not very high, it is enough for us to make a profit. And if we can repeat that, I think the gains we get could be huge.

And if you don't want to be too busy trading, maybe the DCA strategy is a good one because you keep buying bitcoins at low prices and have to adjust your funds. With the DCA strategy, you can collect bitcoins slowly and not in a hurry, which is good for your profit growth later.

I think we never know if the whales will blindly do pumps and dumps in the market but with the notice of large assets being transferred to the exchange it is possible that the whales will do it, but true if there is no panic then this might cause any problems even can face the market more relaxed when anything happens, let it be a waste but seeing the prospect of a decline it can buy more if you want to say buy dips.
I think we can adjust more and more the direction of the market, if it declines then we should think more that it's a golden opportunity to buy.
That's true because the whales will pump and dump on the market suddenly and make many people panic. After all, it's too late to act. They can only follow the movement and try to enter the market. Some of them were able to profit from the situation, while others were caught in a panic and ended up at a loss. Right now is a good time to buy bitcoin as the price is still below but we also have to be careful not to try to buy when the price gets a pump because the price will go back down after that. So only with analysis can we do to find the moment to buy and sell.
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it turns out that there is still a lot that I have not learned even in the strategy of accumulating bitcoin itself.
But I'm more worried about my mentality in trading. I am often wrong in making decisions in making purchases. maybe I haven't studied properly what resistance and support lines are. so sometimes I still feel panicked when going to buy and also when going to sell. because sometimes I'm confused where to put my order. sometimes when I put a buy message it always doesn't get hit. and the price bounced before it hit my buy order. so I panicked and bought in a hurry in an instant.

That is part of the reason that DCA is a better strategy than trying to time the dip when you really cannot have very high levels of confidence about if the BTC price is going to dip more or if it has already dipped as much as it is going to go.  Almost no one is going to be able to time bottoms and tops, and if you try to establish a strategy in which you are not stressing about when are the bottoms, then you will probably start to feel better after you have been into bitcoin for a while.  Sometimes it can take several years before you start to feel comfortable with your BTC accumulation because a large number of people do not tend to have lump sums of spare money that they can invest, so they tend to have to invest slowly over time.

So for example, if you decide that you are going to invest $100 per week over the next 6 months ($2,600), then you might try to time your purchase each week, but maybe if you are frustrated about trying to time the purchase, you just buy at any price during each of the 26 weeks.. so you are sticking with a budget and maybe trying to time the bottom but not getting too stressed out if you cannot figure it out because over time you are continuing to build up your number of satoshis to the best of your ability and you realize that it is very difficult to time the price. and even supposed smart people get these timing of the BTC price matters wrong on a pretty regular basis.
Looks like I really have to learn and apply this DCA strategy. because after reading your explanation. I think the strategy you wrote seems to be able to keep my psychology in accumulating bitcoin. because to be honest, I've been accumulating at irregular times and without knowing the DCA strategy. So mentally and psychologically I was a little disturbed, such as quickly panicking and in a hurry because I was constantly chasing prices in purchases. even though if I can accumulate gradually little by little with a routine every week maybe I can be calmer. because the goal is to accumulate.
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DCA is amongst the best of strategies for newbie investors into BTC.. but it does require a bit of figuring out how much of a budget that you might have to spare for buying BTC.. so for example whether you can buy $100 per week or if you might need to stick with a lower amount, such as $10 per week.  I would suggest that the newbie make sure that s/he is not over investing in the beginning, even though being aggressive can pay off over time, but one of the balancing aspects of investing into bitcoin or any other investment is to make sure that you have already established various kinds of emergency funds in order that you do not have to dip into your investment (whether bitcoin or any other investment) at a time that is ONLY of your own choosing... and sometimes you may well want to plan to invest into bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer.. and you can tweak your strategies along the way as you learn more about bitcoin and maybe as you get better at balancing your won finances, too.
This understanding is quite simple and beginners will definitely understand what we are explaining about DCA and the money that is set aside to buy BTC every week, all things about challenges must be explained from risk, aggressiveness, panic, greed and also patience is necessary explained in my opinion, even I have discussed this internally with my friend how he wants to start a DCA that is good and consistent but does not cause heavy pressure on the way, but what I know and my experience so far is of course explained from $ 10 - $100 or more can be set aside as long as it matches the income, needs are maintained and an emergency fund is always prepared so this won't interfere with the DCA's journey, so they will continue to do what they can to earn BTC.

Maybe the whales are responsible for the pumping and dumping in the market but we can't blame them for what they did because if we didn't panic, we wouldn't have done anything and could have bought at a low price instead.
I think we never know if the whales will blindly do pumps and dumps in the market but with the notice of large assets being transferred to the exchange it is possible that the whales will do it, but true if there is no panic then this might cause any problems even can face the market more relaxed when anything happens, let it be a waste but seeing the prospect of a decline it can buy more if you want to say buy dips.
I think we can adjust more and more the direction of the market, if it declines then we should think more that it's a golden opportunity to buy.
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Yes, exactly whales will always be or at least they'll try to be unpredictable in trades.
And it'll be hard for an average trader to understand everything when the market moves to disregard technical indicators.
Also, whales will be responsible for major pump and dump that shatters the market and most new traders.
If the average trader can analyze how the market is moving, they will probably see signs of where the market is going so at least they can see if it works for them or not. And if they don't see it as an opportunity, they don't have to go into the market and wait any longer for the opportunity to come. But most traders are trying to get into the market even though they are not convinced.

Maybe the whales are responsible for the pumping and dumping in the market but we can't blame them for what they did because if we didn't panic, we wouldn't have done anything and could have bought at a low price instead.
It is difficult to analyze the current price movement of bitcoin for the short or medium term except for the long term, and trading for the current situation in my opinion is difficult to make good profits. even if you can profit maybe only a small profit and even then if you are lucky and do it seriously and full time.
and we can't blame the whales for the role of the whales to pump and dump suddenly without thinking of small investors, and I prefer to take advantage of the current situation to do DCA because I think this is the best way for the long term because I don't want to bother looking at the market whose direction is unclear, and in the long run the direction is clearly profitable and most importantly patiently waiting for it and doing DCA.
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Yes, exactly whales will always be or at least they'll try to be unpredictable in trades.
And it'll be hard for an average trader to understand everything when the market moves to disregard technical indicators.
Also, whales will be responsible for major pump and dump that shatters the market and most new traders.
If the average trader can analyze how the market is moving, they will probably see signs of where the market is going so at least they can see if it works for them or not. And if they don't see it as an opportunity, they don't have to go into the market and wait any longer for the opportunity to come. But most traders are trying to get into the market even though they are not convinced.

Maybe the whales are responsible for the pumping and dumping in the market but we can't blame them for what they did because if we didn't panic, we wouldn't have done anything and could have bought at a low price instead.
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Whale's participations really have a huge market influence bringing most of us to rely upon them. We tend to know what really they do and plan next in order for us to be prepared but unfortunately, we did not.
In this situation of the market, DCAing is certainly the most applicable way of accumulating Bitcoin. Buy low, hold and sell if there is already a profit. In fact, this idea has already been practiced by many so I believe this is really working despite how these whales are doing and manipulating the market.
Whales will always be unpredictable, and they always move on their own and in silent way. As much as we want to know their market moves, it will be very impossible. So to lessen the risk and to avoid huge losses, DCAing is the most safe and secured strategy to use so we can acquire bitcoin every time its value declines. This works for most us, particularly for newbies in the market. But remember, always DYOR first before you start investing.

Yes, exactly whales will always be or at least they'll try to be unpredictable in trades.
And it'll be hard for an average trader to understand everything when the market moves to disregard technical indicators.
Also, whales will be responsible for major pump and dump that shatters the market and most new traders.
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it turns out that there is still a lot that I have not learned even in the strategy of accumulating bitcoin itself.
But I'm more worried about my mentality in trading. I am often wrong in making decisions in making purchases. maybe I haven't studied properly what resistance and support lines are. so sometimes I still feel panicked when going to buy and also when going to sell. because sometimes I'm confused where to put my order. sometimes when I put a buy message it always doesn't get hit. and the price bounced before it hit my buy order. so I panicked and bought in a hurry in an instant.
Yes, trading is not as easy as it seems, many people including me thought that initially trading only needed to buy when it was cheap and sell when the price was high, but somehow I often get stuck when the price is getting lower and it's hard to get back up, now I'm saving some The small bitcoin that I bought was above $22K and hoped the price could rise again, our holding back at a high price is really annoying because we don't have money circulating in the market, I think it's better for us to try to learn to analyze price movements, support and resistance on the market before trading Cry.
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You say the accumulation phase is when the price of bitcoin is at the lowest. But how would you know that it is the lowest?

Your own bitcoin accumulation phase would be when you either do not have any bitcoin or that you do not have enough bitcoin, so you figure out what your target level and if you reach your accumulation levels then you are likely transitioning out of the BTC accumulation phase and into your maintenance stage.

Of course, figuring out if you are in accumulation stage may well not be any kind of an exact level because there might be some overlap in which you are transitioning between accumulation and maintenance and your mind might be changed about where you are at based on BTC price movements or other happenings in the world (or events that you might perceive to relate to bitcoin).  

The three main ways to accumulate bitcoin are: 1) Dollar cost averaging 2) buying on dips and 3) lump sum investing, and people will differ in their opinions regarding how to employ each of these strategies and their thinking about how the strategies relate to their own situations.  

There are some people who believe that trading can be used as a BTC accumulation method too, and to sell high and buy back lower, and I personally believe that trading is not aa very prudent and reasonable way to go about accumulating BTC - because there are more risks that the strategies might devolve into gambling unless you are really able to spend a lot of time becoming skilled in trading and trading is quite likely to NOT be as solid of a strategy to accumulate bitcoin as is the solidness of three mentioned above.

The price went down as low as $35k and people thought it was the lowest. It kept on going low. So do you keep on waiting for the low?

Whatever strategy that you take is should be somewhat tailored to your own circumstances and your own timeline and not necessarily whatever other people might be thinking or doing, and views about the BTC price would only be one component......  For example, if you are brand new into bitcoin, you may well be buying with a DCA strategy and not be trying to figure out when a dip is or how much of a dip it might be.

Just as a reminder individual considerations include but are not limited to cashflow, other investments, view of bitcoin as compared with other investments, timeline, risk tolerance, and time, skills and abilities to strategize, plan, research and learn along the way including tweaking strategies from time to time to consider trading, reallocating, use of leverage and/or financial instruments... so you can see that your view of bitcoin (including price moves) as compared with other investments is ONLY one of the considerations.

And also, DCA investing and other stuffs would seem very complicated for new traders/investors.

DCA is amongst the best of strategies for newbie investors into BTC.. but it does require a bit of figuring out how much of a budget that you might have to spare for buying BTC.. so for example whether you can buy $100 per week or if you might need to stick with a lower amount, such as $10 per week.  I would suggest that the newbie make sure that s/he is not over investing in the beginning, even though being aggressive can pay off over time, but one of the balancing aspects of investing into bitcoin or any other investment is to make sure that you have already established various kinds of emergency funds in order that you do not have to dip into your investment (whether bitcoin or any other investment) at a time that is ONLY of your own choosing... and sometimes you may well want to plan to invest into bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer.. and you can tweak your strategies along the way as you learn more about bitcoin and maybe as you get better at balancing your won finances, too.

You don't have to do DCA or other stuffs if you are planning to invest and hold long term. Only invest what you can afford to lose. You have money lying around that you don't need. Invest and keep holding till you reach your profit goal.

Sure.. those are all good frameworks.. but still whatever strategy or combination of strategies that anyone uses would attempt to be tailored based on the persons circumstances (and considerations) like I mentioned above, and it can take a decently long time to figure out your personal circumstances and also to attempt to make sure that your investment strategies into bitcoin are somewhat aligned with your personal circumstances.. which also may well change with the passage of time, too.

it turns out that there is still a lot that I have not learned even in the strategy of accumulating bitcoin itself.
But I'm more worried about my mentality in trading. I am often wrong in making decisions in making purchases. maybe I haven't studied properly what resistance and support lines are. so sometimes I still feel panicked when going to buy and also when going to sell. because sometimes I'm confused where to put my order. sometimes when I put a buy message it always doesn't get hit. and the price bounced before it hit my buy order. so I panicked and bought in a hurry in an instant.

That is part of the reason that DCA is a better strategy than trying to time the dip when you really cannot have very high levels of confidence about if the BTC price is going to dip more or if it has already dipped as much as it is going to go.  Almost no one is going to be able to time bottoms and tops, and if you try to establish a strategy in which you are not stressing about when are the bottoms, then you will probably start to feel better after you have been into bitcoin for a while.  Sometimes it can take several years before you start to feel comfortable with your BTC accumulation because a large number of people do not tend to have lump sums of spare money that they can invest, so they tend to have to invest slowly over time.

So for example, if you decide that you are going to invest $100 per week over the next 6 months ($2,600), then you might try to time your purchase each week, but maybe if you are frustrated about trying to time the purchase, you just buy at any price during each of the 26 weeks.. so you are sticking with a budget and maybe trying to time the bottom but not getting too stressed out if you cannot figure it out because over time you are continuing to build up your number of satoshis to the best of your ability and you realize that it is very difficult to time the price. and even supposed smart people get these timing of the BTC price matters wrong on a pretty regular basis.
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it turns out that there is still a lot that I have not learned even in the strategy of accumulating bitcoin itself.
But I'm more worried about my mentality in trading. I am often wrong in making decisions in making purchases. maybe I haven't studied properly what resistance and support lines are. so sometimes I still feel panicked when going to buy and also when going to sell. because sometimes I'm confused where to put my order. sometimes when I put a buy message it always doesn't get hit. and the price bounced before it hit my buy order. so I panicked and bought in a hurry in an instant.
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You say the accumulation phase is when the price of bitcoin is at the lowest. But how would you know that it is the lowest? The price went down as low as $35k and people thought it was the lowest. It kept on going low. So do you keep on waiting for the low?

And also, DCA investing and other stuffs would seem very complicated for new traders/investors. You don't have to do DCA or other stuffs if you are planning to invest and hold long term. Only invest what you can afford to lose. You have money lying around that you don't need. Invest and keep holding till you reach your profit goal.
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I am not saying that we shouldn't accumulate, but if you are accumulating without a goal you are going to end up losing a lot of money. Some people accumulate and then sell too quickly, some people do and sell too late, never sell it at anything but either your retirement and have enough, or at the top.

If it reaches at the top of that cycle and you sell there, you could either spend that money or you could retire, also if you sell at a price where it is enough for you to never work again, that is a good reason as well. These are of course my two goals and I will sell only when this happens, but you could have something else in our mind that you would be willing to sell for.

I do not necessarily disagree with you, but I am not sure why you would need to sell your bitcoin in order to retire.  You can retire and still hold your bitcoin, no?  Why do you need to sell in order to retire.  Sure there may well be some points in which you diversify some of your value out of bitcoin because you consider that your bitcoin has gained in value more than all of your other assets, and you would not want to have too many of your eggs in one basket, but there is no real reason to diversify out of your bitcoin in order that you either do not hold bitcoin or you hold some kind of a low quantity of bitcoin.

Let's say  for example, you start with a very modest allocation of 5% of your total quasi-liquid investment portfolio in bitcoin, and you spend more than 8 years in bitcoin, and over those 8 years, bitcoin grows to such a rate that it becomes 95% of your total investment portfolio.   Merely because bitcoin went up 20x more than the other portions of your investment portfolio does not necessarily mean that you need to sell bitcoin into those other relatively losing assets - but maybe you might choose to sell 10-20% of your bitcoin in order to feel a bit more comfortable.. and of course, it would be up to you to decide how much of your bitcoin holdings to sell - but I don't think it is realistic or healthy thinking to attempt to balance your winner (bitcoin in this hypothetical) anywhere close to its original 5% allocation and it might not even be prudent to bring it below 50% because you have merely gained such wealth an prosperity through bitcoin, an you are not necessarily advantaged in playing around (with very much of your bitcoin stash) trying to guess about the peaks and the valleys, but it may well not hurt to take some of the bitcoin off of the table and to invest into other asset classes or to use some of your bitcoin profits for consumption.. while at the same time, I am not going to presume that you are going to be better off to hold much of any of that value in the dollar or in dollar based investments - except maybe just relatively modest portions of your overall investment portfolio which still may leave you holding a vast majority of your wealth in bitcoin (even if bitcoin happens to continue to be a very volatile asset currently and likely that there are pretty high odds that bitcoin is going to continue to be very volatile asset class into the future).

Whale's participations really have a huge market influence bringing most of us to rely upon them. We tend to know what really they do and plan next in order for us to be prepared but unfortunately, we did not.
In this situation of the market, DCAing is certainly the most applicable way of accumulating Bitcoin. Buy low, hold and sell if there is already a profit. In fact, this idea has already been practiced by many so I believe this is really working despite how these whales are doing and manipulating the market.
Whales will always be unpredictable, and they always move on their own and in silent way. As much as we want to know their market moves, it will be very impossible. So to lessen the risk and to avoid huge losses, DCAing is the most safe and secured strategy to use so we can acquire bitcoin every time its value declines. This works for most us, particularly for newbies in the market. But remember, always DYOR first before you start investing.
Since whales entered the crypto market things has not remained the same anymore. If you are trading, you will be strategizing against the market and also be strategizing against the institutional traders. There is no how you can successfully avoid them, that is why I recommend  DCA for a long term purpose.

Again, no matter any sure strategy that you use, ensure that you only invest what you are able to lose. We should observe this rule and have peace of mind.

Regarding your above statement that I have bolded, there have always been bitcoin whales, and sure the bitcoin market has frequently been seeming to come up with surprises that go beyond expectations, and personally I am not going to presume that whales are new to the space in any way that significantly/materially changes bitcoin's investment thesis - even though they surely get BIGGER as bitcoin's market cap gets BIGGER.. and there are also more and more financial tools that are made available for various whales to attempt to manipulate bitcoin's price - but even with BIGGER whales and more financial tools, there are difficulties to presume (not that you are presuming such) that the whales are any more dominant these days than they have been historically or that bitcoin's investment thesis has gotten weaker merely because BIGGER and BIGGER whales are interested in trying to battle to keep the BTC price down.

At the same time there are no guarantees in terms of BTC price direction, even if there are some very interesting and unique attributes that bitcoin has in terms of the ability to take it into possession much more easily than other historical assets (such as material assets) and also assets representing equity in companies (that are controlled by third parties), so surely there may well be some smart people who are working on a variety of ways to attempt to keep BTC's price down - but many of us are not going to presume them to be successful or that they are substantially more significant than they had been in previous markets including that the fact that some whales might try to fuck around with bitcoin by using dollars and other assets in order to push the BTC price down, so when the BTC price moves against their position, they are not holding any BTC (or they are not holding the BTC that they claim to have)... and we saw some of those liquidations on the way down, but those failures to have bitcoin (that they claim to have) can also cause liquidations on the way up too.
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I am not saying that we shouldn't accumulate, but if you are accumulating without a goal you are going to end up losing a lot of money. Some people accumulate and then sell too quickly, some people do and sell too late, never sell it at anything but either your retirement and have enough, or at the top.
Not only did we learn how to buy low and sell high, but also it was very important to know how to hold. And sadly, I'd found it not easy especially if we are too emotional which mostly changes the course of our plan, and ended up selling at loss.
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If it reaches at the top of that cycle and you sell there, you could either spend that money or you could retire, also if you sell at a price where it is enough for you to never work again, that is a good reason as well. These are of course my two goals and I will sell only when this happens, but you could have something else in our mind that you would be willing to sell for.
A long-term investment is ideal for now knowing that we are struggling in the bear condition. Those who can manage to hold can really achieve their goal.
I also accumulated some and I keep DCAing in preparation for the upcoming halving, and I believe this won't disappoint me in the end.
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Whale's participations really have a huge market influence bringing most of us to rely upon them. We tend to know what really they do and plan next in order for us to be prepared but unfortunately, we did not.
In this situation of the market, DCAing is certainly the most applicable way of accumulating Bitcoin. Buy low, hold and sell if there is already a profit. In fact, this idea has already been practiced by many so I believe this is really working despite how these whales are doing and manipulating the market.
Whales will always be unpredictable, and they always move on their own and in silent way. As much as we want to know their market moves, it will be very impossible. So to lessen the risk and to avoid huge losses, DCAing is the most safe and secured strategy to use so we can acquire bitcoin every time its value declines. This works for most us, particularly for newbies in the market. But remember, always DYOR first before you start investing.

Since whales entered the crypto market things has not remained the same anymore. If you are trading, you will be strategizing against the market and also be strategizing against the institutional traders. There is no how you can successfully avoid them, that is why I recommend  DCA for a long term purpose.

Again, no matter any sure strategy that you use, ensure that you only invest what you are able to lose. We should observe this rule and have peace of mind.
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I am not saying that we shouldn't accumulate, but if you are accumulating without a goal you are going to end up losing a lot of money. Some people accumulate and then sell too quickly, some people do and sell too late, never sell it at anything but either your retirement and have enough, or at the top.

If it reaches at the top of that cycle and you sell there, you could either spend that money or you could retire, also if you sell at a price where it is enough for you to never work again, that is a good reason as well. These are of course my two goals and I will sell only when this happens, but you could have something else in our mind that you would be willing to sell for.
Always set goals or selling price because each person does have that kind of mindset or things in mind whenever they do make sell on the right time or would totally hold like it forever.When it comes to accumulation

then we do really believe about Bitcoins potential but we shouldnt really ignore the fact that there's a certain risk even up on dealing with the most established and trustable coin that we do have currently in the
market.
Always remember that you shouldnt put all of your funds or riches on BItcoin investment since there's no guarantee that it could give out positive results in the end of the line.
Make investment on something an amount which you are really that prepared on whats gonna happen on it.
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I am not saying that we shouldn't accumulate, but if you are accumulating without a goal you are going to end up losing a lot of money. Some people accumulate and then sell too quickly, some people do and sell too late, never sell it at anything but either your retirement and have enough, or at the top.

If it reaches at the top of that cycle and you sell there, you could either spend that money or you could retire, also if you sell at a price where it is enough for you to never work again, that is a good reason as well. These are of course my two goals and I will sell only when this happens, but you could have something else in our mind that you would be willing to sell for.
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You put it in a good way, all the problems and solutions are explained well. Accumulation, distribution and re-accumulation often happen in every market, I guess. So, nothing to worry about this, but be aware and prepare. everything needs to be known about this phase to upstand in the market.
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