Topic: This forum will need explicit rules on the use of AI. (Read 764 times)

I initially receive same error JSON message with Firefox. But after i disable add-ons which block ads/tracker and set "Enhanced Tracking Protection" to "Standard", i can subscribe to the newsletter.

I get: "{"error":"Please enable JavaScript to subscribe to this newsletter."}" when trying to sign up for the waiting list that appears in this link, using Safari 12. Is that normal? JS is obviously enabled in my Safari.

As of 4 days ago there is.
https://gptzero.substack.com/
fight fire with fire.
This would not be a solution for bct though.
but something like it maybe I don't see forum admin investing in this forum like that,
I once knew a guy that said people using his name to monetize their own initiatives generally monetized his with no input.

I've had a lot of bad luck with the https://huggingface.co/openai-detector AI generated post detector because it produces random results and the prediction of the same post changes over time. I tried it with an organic local post from a Naija board and got a 98% success rate. I scanned your post just to be sure, and it's 93.13% AI generated  . The site states that results from 50 tokens are more reliable, and I received 93 tokens as a result of your post. The website is untrustworthy and cannot be used to determine what an AI post is. Just another time bomb waiting to cause damage.

Damn! Even my spidey senses wouldn't have been able to catch that one. 

If you can really parse human bullshit from AI bullshit, do you think all the posts on this account are human? Sometimes it seems to me that AI can write more reasonable posts, but in this case, I doubt who is who. When I read his posts, I involuntarily begin to yawn. In addition to the fact that this account writes two or three posts in a row, the meaning of his posts also makes you think about a very bad software bot.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sakanwa-3380307

Thanks for the link. I checked the post. So it turns out that this account is an AI.

You guys are worrying too much, I would say.

Artificial Intelligence might be quite impressive nowadays but the very core of this forum's member ranking system is highly dependent on interpersonal and group relationships. Sure, AI can generate generic texts and at times, might seem extremely human, but ask yourselves, would you really not be able to tell your internet forum friend was an AI with nothing of interest to say? No life, no thoughts, no ideas. Just impressive algorithms.

I might get duped once or twice into believing an AI post came from a real person, but there is no way I would become interested in reading an AI's dull, generic drivel. Least of all, would I befriend it.

Yes, but all the objections you raise sound to me like the same objections that were raised against automatic translators, which are now widely used.

Are you sure that the ChatGPT of 2024, 2025 etc. will be as monotonous and easy to catch as the current one? The first versions of automatic translators were laughable, or think about the first versions of cell phones, or the first years of the Internet.

Basically I was trying to tell you that the monotony of AI systems like ChatGPT will make it easy to spot all the people writing with AIs because they will sound almost exactly the same. And the effort required to rewrite the text to make it unique for each user will be so tedious that people will either abandon this whole enterprise or just copy-paste AI text regardless and face the consequences relevant  for their particular circumstances-e.g. if they are sig campaign members they are all thrown out.

I have no problem with AI accounts used for information or humor purposes, I actually made one myself on the Off Topic board.

The use of AI to generate material for forums is highly questionable and unethical. Instead of putting in the necessary effort and creativity, some people rely on artificial intelligence to do the work for them, resulting in a lack of originality and authenticity.

This is not only lazy and unoriginal, but it also constitutes stealing someone else's ideas or work and passing it off as your own. This is a serious breach of ethics and integrity that should not be condoned or encouraged in any way. Furthermore, using AI to generate material can be misleading and confusing for readers. It is essential for forum participants to know the source and authenticity of the information they are consuming, and AI-generated material does not provide this transparency.

As an AI hater, I strongly discourage the use of artificial intelligence to generate material for forums. It undermines the integrity of the forum and the value of original, authentic material. We should prioritize originality and effort in our online communication and not rely on shortcuts such as AI-generated material.

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In red is what I did, it's fun to use it against itself

The growth of AI is really getting out of the hand and already one of the forum user highlighted the reply created by bot when the question has been asked and its not that bad and it doesn't create any suspicion until we spend time and detect the actual source of the content because what AI doing is simply gathering information all over the internet and try to provide a reasonable answer.

AI should be treated as bot account if someone is really willing to use bot account for any such purpose and it should be exempted from signatures so abuser won't get benefits of signature campaigns.

Yep, this is why the @OP creating this thread.

However I think it will depends on the managers and merit sources, merit sources need to spend more time to look the post history before merit them and managers need to pay attention to read the quality post and not only from the merit they got in last 120 days.

But don't expect anything if you're talk about bounty hunters, it's already cursed lol.

Have you even read what I wrote? It seems you have been busy again.


To report them for what? Having multiple accounts is not forbidden.


Read again, and please next time you quote me try to (agree or) refute what I say. Not to apparently refute what I haven't said.

That won't work. All those accounts will get the same fingerprint which will make it easy for anti-multiaccounters to catch and report them. AI is not known to write uniquely (I mean, you can get it to write in some weird tone but at that point, everyone will know it's a bot).

I suggest a form of text CAPTCHA where a certain type of question is asked that only humans know the answer to. For example: "why did dasher lose his funds?"

I agree with this, and expressed it in another thread, but with a nuance. It is not simply an "AI account", it would be an account created by a Bitcointalk member who uses the AI but tweaks the texts that the AI writes, adapting them accordingly. In other words, it would be using the AI's leverage. It would be a symbiosis between the Bitcointalk member and the IA, so that a new account can be created that writes faster and at least in some cases better.

If it is seen to work, this could result in being able to manage maybe 4 accounts instead of 2 as many have and get paid for them. Obviously, without being a moron by exchanging merits between the accounts or joining the same campaign, etc.

This is all hypothesis and I am not sure if this could be really the case. I would like to try it but I do too many things already.

I would bet that there is currently someone in the top 50 of merit earned who is testing this.

Can't wait when purely AI account reach high Position (rank) and would be accepted into a signature campaign. It would be one small step for an account, one giant leap for AI.

And seriously, we should start thinking about it as about realistic scenario - 10 years ago the discussion we have now have been seen as an abstract academic dispute without any relation to real life.

I also think that forums will be affected by growing popularity of AI and chatgpt. Especially a forum like bitcointalk where users are rewarded for posts if they are in signature campaign. Some people will try to game the system. There can be arrangements made to combat this but it will be huge load on forum staff and resources.

The same way you wouldn't like to communicate with a person that doesn't write correct grammar or keeps repeating phrases in their content is how AI writing works, users vary. If a person is skilled; knows how to utilize AI like chatGPT their response will be as good as that of a good writer. Additionally, the app can be asked to insert synonyms to a keyword to avoid repetitions. Also, every technology offers a new opportunity for users on the internet, in future skilled Chatgpt users can get hired to do a great writing job including editing.

Moreover, you are not communicating with a bot, as an AI doesn't have a brain it's controlled by humans, it just hurts that the next person is using a third-party app to communicate with you making it easier for him to write, while you chat genuinely with your brain. However, it's sad that AI is hitting hard on the internet, and mainly focusing the heat on writing communities, but in the long run, nothing can be done about it, imagine ChatGPT has over a million users within a short period. It's a technology that needs adoption, and writers don't seem to like the idea, as if it'll take their jobs from them, which is not true, contrarily it'll make their jobs easier.

In a forum like this, it'll be hard not to detect AI-generated contents if the user didn't amend it, but if the changes are correctly done Chatgbt can be said to be used for research purposes - easing the research process for a user. If he edits and publishes the thread, it's not completely AI-generated. You can say to be communicating with a bot if the user published the generated post without proofreading it. Moreover, those answers provided by chatGPT are generated from google, and plagiarism detection all depends on the user and the kind of query they gave to the bot. Like the moderator said; if the user is skilled with the use of AI that it doesn't break any rules then it is not a problem in any form.

I'd suggest that an AI detector is added to the forum to help users crosscheck if a thread is poorly generated by an AI, such a thread can be reported to mods pointing out how it broke a rule in the forum. It'll ease the stress for moderators and keep the community as clean as usual. Finally, what need is it to pay to write in the forum? soon these AI writing apps will get expensive to use regarding the speed people are signing up to utilize them.

I will not disclose any accurate source for my claim but there is actually no way to find that out if someone is using AI, since there are services out there for free making and editing your AI generated content in a way to avoid 99+% detection.
IMO anyone caught using AI generated content as their own should be banned, I wouldn't want to engage in a discussion where the other person is not really a person.

We want to engage and discuss with real people with their own real life achievements. Just as an example, I would like to read the posts of gmaxwell to know him better and more, just imagine if I wanted to follow him as a role-model and later find out or not to find out he was actually an AI behind the account.

What I don't like about this subject is the fact that AI could greatly influence us in the long term without us realizing it.

How are you going to identify if the user is using AI in his posts? How is anybody going to do that? Do people even have that much free time?

I think whether it is against the rules or nor won't change a thing. You can even command AI to create unique posts.

You just tell it to write something about something, give the post length etc and it is going to make you one.

AI will own everybody.