Topic: This Is Huge: Evidence Builds Linking Israel, Turkey To ISIS (Read 1105 times)

Nuke Turkey and/or Israel

No. There are other strongholds as well, such as Cyprus. You can argue that Syria is the last pro-Russian stronghold in the Middle East.


I don't think that a pipeline can be constructed from Saudi Arabia or Kuwait to Turkey through Syria. The terrain is extremely uneven, and that will make this pipeline very uneconomical.


Not much of a chance. Iran is not having good relations with the Iraqi Kurds.

There are a lot of interest in keeping ISIS in power:
Assad's Syria is the last Russian stronghold in the Mediterranean
Assad's Syria is the last obstacle to build a pipeline from the arab states to Turkey (through Israel and/or Jordan)
Assad's Syria is the only chance for Iran to build a pipeline (through North Iraq aka. Kurdistan) and break into the EU markets.

So if you see who benefits from all that mess, then you will get lists about the most likely supporters of each sides.

I've been paying attention since ISIS was formed and mushroomed into a 'huge global threat' in a matter of months.  While I have zero doubt that Turkey and Israel have much more than 'links' to ISIS, it is fairly clear to me that the actual creation of ISIS is attributable to the U.S. and Saudi Arabia more than anything.  So, 'known long ago' is a fairly LOL-worthy utterance in this context.

If by 'held accountable', you mean 'hung by the neck until dead for the crime of treason', I would agree.  I also would not characterize their actions as 'incompetent' necessarily.  They achieve almost everything they set out to do as far as I can tell.  In this case, terrorizing the sheep in their own country while turning the Middle East into a hellish nightmare for everyone trying to live there.

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Back to another aspect of this topic, I just ran across a story about an IDF colonel being caught by Iran in an ISIS round-up.  I'm not even sure if this is the same story, but it's the first thing I pulled up in a search:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJjFHVe2rD8  I'm pretty sure I read about it first on PressTV a few days ago.  In thinking about things today, I really cannot remember very much false information I've gotten from PressTV.  Slanted pro-Iran to be sure, as RT generally is toward Russia, but both are actually much more reliable than almost any of the Western outlets who are just about 100% non-reliable.  Especially in the last few years.

This must have been known long ago and Obama & Friends did nothing about it. If they did know and did nothing, they should all be held accountable. If they did not know, they should ALL be fired for incompetence.

Some of the Sunni groups are either pro-Iran (Hamas, Fatah.etc), or are neutral (Kurds, Tajiks.etc). Iran still retains a great deal of influence over the global Islamic population. And as the Saudi Arabian reputation gets tarnished due to their association with ISIS and corrupt despots, the Iranians will replace them as the spiritual leaders of the global Islam.

Hence why Assad's stubbornness is going to find himself at the end of a rope some day.

Iran and its satellite states are clinging to a bygone era, they still naively believe they can be the spiritual leaders of the Islamic world to "take back" Jerusalem when it is obvious the Sunni Arabs don't want them around any more than the Jews.

If Iran had any brains they'd realize that as sectarian minorities they have more to gain by cooperating with Israel than they do the Arab states and should make peace for survival sake.

There will not be any shortage of crude oil, thanks to the Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline. Most of the crude oil from Azerbaijan is transported through this pipeline. However, there will be a sharp reduction in the petroleum exports from the port city of Ceyhan, if the Russians successfully manage to cut off the ISIS supplies.

Obama may choose to look the other way, and Erdogan can continue to deny, but sooner then later Turkey is going to be facing a massive oil shortage thanks to Russia taking-out these ISIS controlled oil fields in Syria ...and Erdogan will be forced to explain why.

That will be suicidal for all the Syrian groups. The regime is against ceding even a square inch of Golan to Israel. FSA groups such as Ahrar ash Sham and Jaysh al Islam are also having the same opinion. For the ISIS and the Al Nusra Front, any such agreement will be simply unthinkable. That said, some of the Kurds wouldn't mind giving up a part of Golan to the Israelis. 


There is a lot of cooperation going on in intelligence related matters between the Israelis and the Kurds. But I don't know how comfortable is Netanyahu, regarding the possibility of an independent Kurdistan.

Supposedly there was some talk of Syria (under new management post-Assad) fully handing over the occupied Golan region in exchange for support in the here-and-now.  This is so obvious, though, that I could easily see it being made up out of whole cloth to smear various parties.  Certainly I could see it being true as well.

On a different topic, I've heard seemingly reliable info about the fairly tight relationship between Israel and the Kurdish groups and I've heard it from as far back as the run-up to Saddam's ouster.  Got any thoughts about that?  Especially in relationship to Turkey since if there ever is to be a Kurdistan it seem likely that there will be not much contentment until current Turkish territory shrinks by some amount.  It didn't seem like it took very long for Erdogan to get back to being buddies with Bebe after the insult of the Mavi Marmara (where it seems that the guy genuinely did blow his top.)  This tells me that the Kurds may be getting a decades long snow-job...and plenty of weapons as long as they are using them 'appropriately'.

I suspect that Israel is having its own priorities in Syria, which may or may not be compatible with those of the US. They want to destroy the Hezbollah and the Hamas, two organizations which receive enormous support from Bashar al Assad of Syria. If the ISIS could take out Assad, and in turn destroy the Hezbollah, the Israelis will be more than happy with the outcome.

We all know these since the beginning. It's not new for us, but maybe for ignorants.
Middle East is like a huge playground for developed countries, every government linked there somehow. It's not surprising.

The fact Israel supports ISIS (AL Qaeda renamed for propaganda purposes) is a blatant example of how Israel has betrayed America just one of many examples.

ISIS is hardcore Sunni Salafi. Abu Bakr Baghdadi has proclaimed that one of their major aims is to exterminate the Shiites from the face of the earth. Some of the FSA groups, which received training from the American instructors in Turkey defected to the ISIS in 2013 and 2014. They are expanding in Libya, Yemen, Afghanistan and Nigeria.


Al Nusra is the Al Qaeda affiliate in Syria. Hardcore Sunni. Receives official support from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar. Relations with ISIS remains strained. ISIS is trying to reach a ceasefire with this group.


Mostly refers to the FSA, which includes hardline Sunni Salafist groups such as Ahrar al Sham, Jaysh al-Islam, Ajnad al-Sham, Jaysh al-Mujahedeen, Faylaq Al-Sham.etc. Most of the groups have lost their sovereignty, and is in the process of being absorbed by either the ISIS or the Al Nusra. 

I've heard reports for the longest about 'ISIS' receiving medical care in Golan, and even in Israel proper sometimes, before being returned to the front.  Normally when I hear such a thing over and over again over a period of time it turns out to be basically true.

It does seem to be the case the mercenaries appreciate medical care quite a lot and it makes recruitment much easier.  This makes sense if one considers the operating environment and lack of support structures that they would find (since most of the native populations don't usually have much use for them.)

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Coleman:  Since you seem to be pretty up-to-speed on this stuff, tell me what you think of my nomenclature thesis here:

 - ISIS/ISIL/IS:  General tag for foreign mercenaries who are more Shite oriented.  Core did a stop-over for some R&R and more training in Jordan and Turkey in transit from Libya to Syria.

 - al-Nusra:  Similar but more Sunni oriented.

 - Moderate:  Extinct since anyone with a brain would realize that Syria under Assad is a better outcome than becoming yet another Libya, and they can deal with him and his problems later.

Also, what the hell is it about the U.S. being extra careful to use ISIL and never ISIS?  (Is it just a joke/hoax that ISIS is also, by chance, and acronym for Israeli Secret Intelligence Service?)

As I have pointed out earlier, the ISIS has never attacked any of the Israeli targets. And Syrian fighter jets have been shot down by the Israelis (inside the Syrian border), while they were bombing the ISIS targets. Also, the Israelis have frequently shelled the regime posts and barracks, in order to help the ISIS to over-run these locations.

World doesn't need more evidence, world powers are OK with this swindle, that's politicking.

World powers get their profit cut from it too, otherwise they would stop it long ago.

Huh.

Now where is the "evidence linking Israel to ISIS?"

It was clear from the beginning itself. Here is the proof:

1. The ISIS has never attacked Israeli targets.
2. The Israelis have shot down Syrian regime aircraft (on multiple occasions), when they were fighting against the ISIS.
3. The ISIS has never attacked Turkish targets.
4. The Turks have shot down Syrian regime aircraft (on multiple occasions), when they were fighting against the ISIS.
5. The Turks have bombed the Kurds, while they were fighting against the ISIS.