Topic: This is the beginning of the end. (Read 308 times)

I support your feelings, and the situation seems absurd to me.
At first it was scary too, I succumbed to panic.
But then, after analyzing a lot, I was convinced that everything is not so scary with the virus. More terrible is the redivision of the world. Because you don’t know what to expect next. It’s really scary.

Well, first of all, any shop stands in the territory that belongs to the citizens of the country he rents and I do not have to obey their internal rules as it is illegal.

Secondly, no one can conduct any experiments on a person without his consent (wearing a mask, temperature measurement, etc.).

Stores are private properties. If they decide to rule out customers with .. normal temperature .. then okay. Their rule. But our authorities gave an unconstitutional order for all stores to have this as a mandatory procedure. Let me give you one, simple example:

One man wants to buy his necessities. He is very poor, old and religious; he doesn't have a TV, internet or a phone. Once he arrives at the shop, they want to take his temperature. He's old - he doesn't understand tech, so he fears that's the mark of the beast (especially as it's taken from the forehead). If only that store decided to do this, he'd turn around and go to another shop which doesn't consider this necessary. But the authorities force all stores to have this mandatory. Hence, even after 5 shops he visited, he cannot buy food.

What does he do? Will he not be able to purchase food at all because he fears having his temperature checked (reminder: we are not allowed IF WE HAVE NORMAL BODY TEMPERATURE)? That's discrimination.

Before someone reading this doesn't care about religion and is willing to reply to this part specifically for this reason, then believe/don't believe in whatever the fuck you want. But if you decide NOT to believe in something and someone else decides they do, then let them choose to believe exactly the same way you chose not to.

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Big difference between a store deciding not to let specific customers in and the authorities giving an unconstitutional order to force them all to do so.

Let me tell you one thing: at least in my country, security agents only need 4 years of school in order to become a security agent. If that's someone you'd trust even when it comes to basic temperature taking, especially considering we have these kind of devices for sale even under $15 in my country and could be wrongly calibrated (or the security agent could somehow decalibrate it by mistake), then I don't know what to say anymore.

Moreover, one of our authorities said something like the fact that temperature taking is a procedure through which any symptomatic or asymptomatic person takes the temperature of a healthy person willing to enter a shop. So as you can see, everything goes upside down right now over here.

What's even funnier is the fact that those without studies or with low grades at school have been considered idiots - yet the security agents with minimum 4 years of school are able to take our temperature. Damn, if I ever wanted this to be mandatory and I had 6 years of school, they would've talked about how stupid I'd be and how I would probably put that laser inside someone's eyes instead of forehead.

Were the 7 policemen really needed for that one old man? Why did the policeman touch the woman - I mean, the old woman who did not pose any danger to the cops? Why did EIGHT cops not respect social distancing and why did NO COP have a mask? Why did the police not respect social distancing even before the "arguing" starts? Please don't tell me that with these 7 policemen, if the old man was infected, the virus was perfectly contained in this encounter.. Honestly right now, if the old man had the virus, all cops would've already been infected and from a "you two go back home" we get to a "7 cops and an old couple have been infected with the virus" in a matter of minutes..

And about the arguing, the cops are obliged to introduce themselves when they appear and the arguing started when the woman asked him to show his badge - he refused to do so, and then he put the hand on her shoulder and she said he is not allowed to do so. In all honesty, the cops all look like they're under 20. Were they fake cops, maybe someone would've agreed with the way she proceeded. It's like being stopped and asked for money by a cop without him ever presenting himself. Would you give him money just because he has the cop clothing on him?

P.S: Take a look at the video again. The security agents are supposedly keeping us safe by checking our temperature and not letting someone with a normal temp go inside, right? Hmm. Do you see something not okay at all regarding the security agents? Maybe.. just maybe.. the fact that they wear the mask under their nose so if anyone infected came in their proximity to have their temp checked and coughed once or spoke, the security agent would've been infected 100% and would've infected everyone else who came into the store ..

I heard yesterday that they may ban women on their period from entering stores, because when a woman is on her period her temperature rises. Is that okay?

This "pandemic safety measures" got the stupidity of many to the surface really quick.

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A little update in regards to how the narrative keeps changing continuously. We all heard the fact that a vaccine needs around 18 months to have the most basic research and make sure the vaccine has at least a bit of efficiency and safety and even 18 months are a world record.

Well, our TVs are now pushing the idea that we're going to have lots of people tested BEFORE the end of 2020 and they're talking about mandatory vaccination. I have a very curious thought: why do I have to be forced to take the vaccine? If I and all the other "anti-vaxxers" don't take it and everyone else does, doesn't that mean this "controversed community of anti-vaxxers" would die and everyone else lives happily?

Would wonder what happens if vaccines turn mandatory and the government ever comes out and say "hey, we have this mandatory experimental vaccine we want to put inside you!". What if in that, exact moment all the pro-vaxxers turn anti-vaxxers and vice-versa? It'd be VERY fair for us to push for vaccine administration inside your body, hmm?

But wait! When did 18 months turn into under 12? Hmm, maybe the PREP Act providing immunity for liability now speaks words huh?

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/personal-space/

I think we might see some new criminal legislation regarding personal space soon.

its always the idiots that think they can argue their way into getting what they want. and even with social distancing. thinking chest bumping and breathing on people less than 2 metres away will win them an award.

for the idiots that do decide to touch security/cops'store workers. guess what. it would be treated as assault.
if you dont like the fact that a store is trying to keep everyone else safe, at the expense of your experience. well go find another experience elsewhere.
dont try picking a fight. as it will just work out worse for you

you can stand still all you like. wiggle your body all you like.
but as soon as you come into proximity of another person that does not want their personal space invaded. or threatening them. then expect to not be given the red carpet experience

at the moment we cannot blame the police for their crackdown..  they (the police) only carry out orders from the government, the police in my country do not commit violence against civilians but look at what happens, the corona positive surge is increasing every day.  the most feared of the whole country is the corona positive explosion, if there is a patient explosion, the hospital is worried that it will not be able to accommodate corona patients, causing mass death..

I strongly recommend that we continue to follow the directions of each local government, run health protocols and keep a safe distance from others, this "PANDEMIC" will not stop, so we must take care of ourselves..

here is the thing though. (and i might be repeating myself)
a shop owner has his property. and he sets the rules of who can come in and who cant.
thats his right

people dont actually by any law have the right to just walk into a supermarket.
its the thing people keep forgetting that responsibility that comes with rights.
a shop is private property

also the temperature check is not a 'health check' .. its a safety precaution
much like a shop owner checks that a floor is not slippery or could check if people are carrying a weapon and deny them access to the whole store if they have a weapon or a particular aisle if that aisle is slippery. thats his right.
he is responsible for peoples safety.

if someone does not like the treatment of a store. then they can turn around and find another store.
but to stand and argue. and even try to enter without being scanned. makes the shop owner in his right to get you escorted out.

maybe the use of excessive force was a little bit too much. but from the look at the video they were given many, many, many opportunities to turn around and go home.

i actually feel like the guy was put into the situation more due to his angry wife.

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but overall
a shop can decline serving any one for any reason they like. no law forces a shop to serve people.
and its not the security guard or the police that can change that policy.. usually its something to request the owner of the supermarket chain to change.
but under this climate. that wont happen anytime soon.
arguing with the guy at the door wont get results. nor would continue arguing where the only result would be going home or getting arrested. pushing for the arrest does not make the action of not being temperature scanned an arrestable offence. but being a loud and persistently angry person trying to escalate an argument would

Lately, cops have become very aggressive towards civilians. And this is happening all over the world. In YouTube, there are more and more videos of cops acting like Hitler's police. And they do not care who is in front of them and often the aggression is directed towards women with children or pensioners.

This is what I was talking about.

An old, innocent couple was arrested and taken by force for not willing to have their temperature taken at the entrance of Kaufland, a hypermarket in my country. The cops requested more forces (a total of 4 cars) to come and force the man be arrested for the pure fact that he was arguing temperature taking is unconstitutional.

Here's the article talking about it and here is a video of the cops taking the man by force. The cops even put their feet on the old man's head (and as you can see later in the video, the old man has been hurt).

Yesterday, after lots of people and even lawyers argued against taking the temperature, our government silently modified the latest order which made customer temp taking mandatory and removed this rule, as there was more than enough legal evidence this was a completely unconstitutional move.

As a reply to the answers I haven't replied yet to, I think the links I've placed in my posts on this thread and this event from my country is enough to prove why I really felt the need of writing this thread. To those hating on my thoughts, maybe now you understand me.

The old couple had NO violent behavior except arguing with the cops: the old woman requested the cop to show his cop ID and he refused her every time, and as you can obviously see, the cops have NO mask and the cops respected NO social distancing in the entire process. Cops touched them while they raised no hand at the cops.

This is the sad path we're heading for as humanity.

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Edit: I'm going to leave here just a few links as an answer to those stating that "COVID-19 measures save more lives" and I will answer suchmoon's question..

Have you ever considered what the current crisis has done to the hundreds of millions around the world having no more job and some people going into absolute poverty?

Maybe there are more deaths because more than half a million of people from UK have joined a suicide prevention course in the last 3 weeks alone? Maybe there are more deaths because poverty is now on the rise? Maybe it's because ventilators may do even more damage to the lungs? Or maybe it's the fact that people die at home because they aren't treated anymore for anything except COVID-19... or maybe the fact that hospitals get paid $13k per COVID-19 positive patient and $39k per COVID-19 death... OR maybe it's the fact that more people have died in Austria from heart attacks than COVID-19, as lockdowns lead to some pretty bad mental and physical states? Or... perhaps... it could be due to multiple reasons including the above...

I don't know, I'm just wondering...

It's not falsifying records if the CDC says it's okay to lie.

Why don't you post the part of the CDC that tells medical people that they can and should lie?

Dr. Brix, not being 100% sure, should be telling medical people to use their own best judgment, rather than to lie. Or are you saying that her not being sure is the thing that makes her tell them to lie?

Dr Brix was not 100% sure. and that just lit the flame of your faux media.
however this is why i have told you many many many many many times to research the source behint the video speaches you watch

ill give you a few quotes from the actual guide
"Part I This section on the death certificate is for reporting the sequence of conditions that led directly to death. The immediate cause of death,  which  is  the  disease  or  condition  that  directly  preceded  death  and  is  not  necessarily  the  underlying  cause  of  death  (UCOD), should be reported on line a. The conditions that led to the immediate cause of death should be reported in a logical sequence in terms of time and etiology below it. The UCOD, which is “(a) the disease or injury which initiated the  train  of  morbid  events  leading  directly  to  death  or  (b)  the  circumstances  of  the  accident  or  violence  which  produced  the  fatal  injury”  (7),  should  be  reported  on  the  lowest  line  used  in  Part I."

"Other  significant  conditions  that  contributed  to  the  death,  but  are  nota  part  of  the  sequence  in  Part  I,  should  be  reported  in  Part  II.  Not  all  conditions  present  at  the  time  of  death  have  to  be reported—only those conditions that actually contributed to death"

"In some cases, survival from COVID–19 can be complicated by pre-existing  chronic  conditions,  especially  those  that  result  in  diminished lung capacity, such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease  (COPD)  or  asthma.  These  medical  conditions  do  not  cause  COVID–19,  but  can  increase  the  risk  of  contracting  a  respiratory  infection  and  death,  so  these  conditions  should  be  reported in Part II and not in Part I"


you will also find that doctors can be disciplined for falsifying records.
but enjoy your theories. but atleast if you want to make a new theory. do some research first so it is not easily debunked... put some effort in next time

You show your deceptiveness. So thanks.

All you need to do is a search on the Italian 99%, and the USA 94% to see that those deaths were from other causes than Covid, or at least could have been, but that it isn't known for a fact what they died from.

If Dr. Brix or the CDC are being deceptive in what they are saying, I ask this question. Since you are in the medical field, did you learn it from them? Or were you their teacher? (Oops! That's two questions. )

Of course, there is the third option, that the whole medical is simply deceptive, right?

BADECKER is the one making up the 'back in march USA is 94% accurate'
sorry idiot no.
the website and even suchmoon debunked you in that post
by saying the recent few weeks are incomplete.

this means that back in march the data OF back in march WAS incomplete.
but its now MAY. and they have caught up with the numbers of back in march.
yes data of late april/start of may is incomplete. but in a few weeks time the data for end of april/start of may will be complete.

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why is the CDC lagging by a few weeks
because they actually get the data from sources and double check. which takes time.
but the funny part is when you look back retrospectively. you then see when the results are finally in that the numbers do match, even with double checks and review by different departments

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so yes take the row 4/4/2020 that is now uptodate. and the 8k covid deaths are above the ~57k average all cause deaths
and if you look at the other columns on the link. you will see that its 8k reported on things like worldometer. not 13k or 65k meaning people are not reporting all deaths(65k) as covid nor are they reporting al flu like illnesses(13k) as covid.
nor as the number of other flu's decreased to be accidently called covid. because the other flu numbers are still separate metric and still tested and still show the normal results youd expect

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dr brix statement was not a fully researched statement. she was saying a statement even she was not sure of. looking around the room. unsure.
she has shown many times to want to pander to the trump narrative out of fear of being sacked by trump for not following the trump stupidity
much like she stupidly nods and says 'i can look into that' when trump stupidly asked if she could start injecting people with high dose bleach and make them swallow a light source.

you can tel in her body language that she looks around the room like she is being cornered into answering something against medical advice/risk. but nods in agreement with trumps idiocity just to save her job

again the CDC has a MULTIPLE PAGE document that instructs doctors to fill in a death certificate with all the symptoms present and how to list each symptom from the final symptom before death backwards to show the progression. and to include as much detail as possible including all tests and scans.

in short
a death certificate would show
1a. Acute respiratory distress (ARDS)
      cause by
1b. Pneumonia
      cause by
1c. Covid-19
      cause by
where it further down a death certificate would list more details and test results, scans and treatments

unlike your scripts that spend pages just saying 'all deaths covid' the actual document describing how to fill in a death certificate does not.

stupid part is even in your infuencer(hotwire) video. you had the oppertunity months ago to actually find that document and actually read it. heck even a screen grab was shown in the hotwire video.
thus showing that bigtree and brix are just following a stupid narrative thats not fact. because it wil keep them in a job

.. but that would actually require you researching fact and finally give up just believing what you see in a video.

maybe in future you might want to try to do some research

Don't prove what I am saying. Prove the standard advertised statistics are true. If you don't have proof, and if they won't provide proof, consider that they aren't true.

The 99 and 94 are percents of deaths that were called Covid, but were later shown to be not known to be Covid. In other words, they lied through negligence if nothing else. Based on Dr. Brix and CDC statements to call just about any death a Covid death, nobody has any idea who is reporting deaths truthfully, and who is reporting them according to Dr. Brix and the CDC method.

So, in anything you say or show about Covid deaths, prove it.

Why would I need to prove some shit you made up? Your claim, you prove it.

While you're at it, explain why the total number of deaths is >120% - is there some other disaster killing massive numbers of people?

Back in March, the margin of error for Italy was about 99 times, and 94 times for the USA.

Prove it has changed to a more accurate number rather than worse. I mean, maybe there haven't been any Covid deaths for a month - not even one - but all kinds of people might be saying Covid.

Prove it one way or the other.

Even if there is a margin of error in the count of presumed (unconfirmed) deaths, I hope you're not suggesting that authorities are inflating the total number of deaths... are you? Do they kill people to make the number higher?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

(the last few weeks are incomplete - the data is still coming in and the numbers will go up)

Good. We're on the same side, then. I like your info link. It has loads of info, and is pretty concise.

Just to toss out some extra info, one of the things that is recommended for high altitude sickness is vitamin B12. I think that people who have the symptoms of Covid, even if they don't have altitude problems, would be benefited by taking B12. And Methyl B12 seems to be a whole lot better than the simple vitamin.

I'm not certain, but I think Methyl B12 is the coenzyme of vitamin B12. Excess vitamin B12 is destroyed by the body as soon as the need for it is over. But coenzyme B12 stays in the body for up to 3 days as a backup, even if there isn't a need for it at the moment.

Lately it has been found that B12 is a brain enhancer.

I asked a question; nutildah made a statement and tried nothing but insulting me by his "there's no way you're fit enough to make it to the actual end". That's perfectly fine though

I wish I would have exaggerated at the "being arrested" part. In my country, it's turning from a so-called "health issue" to a literal dictatorship and I only see and hear the same from friends living in other countries as well. If this was serious and what's pushed to the front by the MSM was what I would hear from at least a very few around me, I would've taken it seriously. But it's just too obvious now. Our authorities have been literally saying every single day since February that we are 2 weeks away from the tipping point. I still hear that every day - how did 2 weeks turn into this many months + 2 weeks?

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It's not all about my area. I have asked my friends living in other countries and they can confirm the same. The thing is, it's now official that numbers are inflated and pretty much any death is considered a COVID-19 one. So now that it's official, I don't think it even makes sense to say "hey but we've had deaths in my city" - my city has deaths too, but how do I know for real which one is a legit COVID death when they simply said themselves that any death is considered one..

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They're preparing facial recognition systems and mandatory scanners with those systems integrated. As soon as one exceeds the temperature they think is abnormal, the information will be transferred automatically to the nearest authorities.

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Yeah.. I post a thread for this matter and people care about what I think, completely ignoring the facts that I've linked to in the OP. It's getting quite silly that we're arguing over something that is just facts as if I'd spread only rumors..

Before you guys reply again, take only 3 minutes of your time to check this website out..: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Those things happen as directed by the government to maintain a healthy environment. I want to ask you if they take records of your temperature like is it written in a paper or stored in a system. Because the government can decide to know people that are infected by this virus through checking their their body temperature. It's just a normal routine that has been place not a while ago since the pandemic started.