Topic: This is what I call spam feeders - page 2. (Read 903 times)

It's not the fault of the mods that members contribute less and less when it comes to reports - but if you need to report someone dozens of times due to plagiarism and using AI to get a permanent ban, then part of the blame lies with them.


It's very easy, if every day you report only 5 posts due to spam, plagiarism, use of AI and everything else (see the unofficial rules of the forum), that means you will have 150 reports during the month - if only 10 members participate in the same way, that means 1500 reports each month.

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By the way, the last part of the post you quoted does not belong to me - a little more attention to such things is always desirable

Quit unfortunate that some of us think the privilege to write what we wanted is relatedly equivalent to social lives where misbehaviors is seem as content creations just in creating awareness of existence without undermining credibility.
These users must be ignorant pertaining their goals to the forum while flooded their profile walls with helpless Posts unremorsefuly. I think they need some breaks to stay stil and just have enough time reading across the forum in other to readjust else they are timely spreading worthless poster.
The number of merits earned has really not been a point to stress on because earning merits has not been too common after all I have been trying my best and has only earned 4 merits after creating 11 Topics and total of 60 Replies.
I don't want to see my current merit earn as mock by users or debunking on me.

This guy would surely return sooner or later with another trash to spread in the forum putting more work for mods. Maybe this guy has some mental problems if not them I am wrong. If there's no merit being implemented them I wonder what this person would have done. We can only report the post since not all spam posts are being reported and some sre being missed being reported.

I'm afraid, but if it persist, then they'll definitely be no choice for the companies passing time around... The truth is, they've got representatives in here... The statistics are constantly evaluated to know if they're actually making the desired traffic and profits or not.

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I don't wanna blame the MODs directly -- it ain't even easy to do their jobs, but what exactly do we all want for this forum at a long run? You and i, everyone else? Shall we all sit and watch a great community of intellectual people like this getting rubbed in the mud like it's nothing?

This wasn't about me, but I'm guilty! I really need to sit up and do what I'm supposed to do.
It's sad that that could only be ^1/3 of the reasons why we've got old knowledge members falling out... Remember, alot of stories have been left unrevealed about sudden disappearance of well-known members.

When was the last time you reported a post that you considered spam? Moderators on the forum act almost exclusively on the basis of reports, if there are none or there are relatively few of them, then it is clear that the majority of spam is not sanctioned, which means that it passes under the radar.

In other words, all the rules of this world are in vain if there are not those who point out their violation, and then those who impose punishments based on that.


There are probably those members who have left the forum because they are dissatisfied with how things work, and the diminishing quality of posts and discussions certainly plays a role in that. If you start putting board after board on ignore and if you see that nothing changes for the better, then it is not strange that one day someone decides that there is nothing here for him anymore.

Although I would dare to say that the disappearance of sig campaigns that paid more than twice as much as the case today influenced some to leave the forum.

This is a good point, we shouldn't be that cruel and threads mustn't attract merits before it is good though those guys need to work more on their writing skills. I do not see a serious offence committed in most of the threads, we can't be writing well and be creative the same way. Some people might want to genuinely participate in forums like this, it's not nice to ignore them but to put them through the right path by warning them. I believe moderators are already getting at them with some of the posts moved to Off-topic, regardless, many of the posts are still valid. Whether they constructed it perfectly or not, so far as the gist is made, they are still good, they should only reduce the frequency of opening new topics and construct the subsequent ones better.

Yep, and I think Lucius is aware of all that (he did say "some kind of freedom of expression").

And therein lies the rub: the laudably permissive and even-minded moderation policy means that there's a ton of stuff the moderators can't really do anything about...

One thought I've had about this is to beef-up/renovate the ignore system (so that you can completely hide people, topics or even just individual posts) and, while doing that, add the ability to have multiple ignore lists, some of which are private, and some of which could be published for others to view and subscribe to.

It's tricky to see, but, that's just about all the groundwork that's needed for members to easily clean up the forum themselves without having to beg and plead with the mods or argue about rule interpretation or freedom of expression.

For example, nutildah might maintain one such list called "AI shitbirds" or something, containing borderline cases that the mods won't act on, which I'd happily subscribe to. There are a handful of other members (10 or so) that I'd personally feel comfortable "outsourcing" different curation-related decisions to. I'd probably subscribe to certain lists that identify accounts that have changed hands, or accounts that just troll or post low-value things non-stop [1], stuff like that.

The dark side of a system like this is that a lot of people will inevitably isolate themselves into narrow views of the forum that don't represent the whole, but, all things considered, that's a small price to pay, and anyway, it's really nobody's business how any given user decides to control their own information diet.

[1] I mean, I've been reading ~2011-era Meta recently, so, I can practically hear theymos' retort in my head, saying: "If someone is just trolling and/or posting low-value things non-stop, then report them.", but, as someone that has now spent ~2300 hours of my precious time on this planet digesting almost uniformly shitty Bitcointalk posts, I think I've come to the conclusion that sensible/neutral centralized moderation just can't raise the signal-to-noise ratio much beyond where it's at, no matter how enthusiastically people might report things.

I checked on the two accounts to see their respective ranks and i discover that one is a member rank and the other a newbie, then this caught my attention on thinking whether they have no idea on how to make posts or whether they are just doing this shits on purpose, but irrespective of what may be behind this, what is not good is not good at all, most of them were doing this on purpose to either get noticed and shill their spam post contents.

I don't think "freedom of expression" is ever absolute, anywhere, nor do I think Theymos thinks it should be on bitcointalk (as evidenced by some of the rules, the presence of moderators, and even his banning of the last Yobit campaign).  If there was absolute freedom, then spamming would be allowed--and it's not, and I think common sense would dictate that there are limits to how shitty posts/threads can be before they get deleted.  Otherwise it's just a set up for the implosion of this forum, a scenario where there's nothing but AI-written crap and sig shitposters driving away all of the good members.

And I wonder why a lot of those good members of old did go away.  Some of them we know the reasons for, but I have a feeling some left because the level of discussion quality here has deteriorated and it's become tedious to see the same thread topics come up over and over again.  I'd really, really like to know Theymos's thoughts on this, but I don't suspect he'll give his opinion anytime soon.

Obviously, there are too few of us who think long-term, but this is simply the reality we have fallen into and it will be difficult to get out. Unfortunately, we have lost some very important members of the forum over the years, whether they were extremely high-quality posters or members who worked in the background fighting spam and scammers. I still find good members and their posts that are worth paying attention to, but the truth is that we lose quality much faster than we manage to make up for it.


I had to check what "enema" means because it's not a word I've come across - and I have to admit that I somewhat share your opinion, but it's hard for something like that to happen on a forum where some kind of freedom of expression is guaranteed, even if it meant that in this freedom also includes spam.

Will that stop those spammers? The answer is "no" because the spammers won't stop spamming no matter if such spam feeding accounts are listed in a thread and actually most members of the forum may not visit the thread often only to see if someone is a spammer or not.

I agree with you that such people create threads often to get attention and some of the spammers might post in those threads as well to complete their weekly post quota but that doesn't mean in any way that genuine members who don't spam may not post in those threads.

Actually, most members don't really care if someone who created the topic is a spam feeder or a genuine person, in fact they try their best to help out with their knowledge or share their opinion when needed. I know that creating list of some members might be a good step but who knows if it will help spamming and spammers or not.

I'm not sure how these things work, but doesn't that seem like horrible detection capability to you?  It's a coin flip, and I'm hoping that isn't the best these tools can do in detecting AI-generated content....but again, I don't know much about this stuff yet.


Ah, but you're thinking past the immediate gratification of payment-for-shitposts, whereas the knuckle-dragging fools who are currently ruining the quality of our beloved forum can't see any possible negative outcomes like that or worse, they just don't give a shit.  It's no wonder my post count has dropped in the past year.  I thought it was me being typically torpid, but then I look at all of the crap threads in the sections I normally post in and there just hasn't been all that many that are original or can even hold my attention for 30 seconds. 

This place needs a hot lead enema.

Well observed, I had no doubt at all that he would return very soon with a new account. I've made 2 reports so far, so we'll see how long it will last this time, and given that he's a newbie, maybe not that long.

This account already violates the rules in that it had an alternative account, which was banned with great difficulty by Lucius.


And now its worthless topics appear again; the behavior is typical for the first account.



We can start counting down how long it will take for the moderators to run out of patience and ban it again.

Boards are falling one after the other, just look at what 1 or 2 users have done with the Press board and nobody cares. We have more and more spammers, those who plagiarize and use AI, and we literally have a record low number of reports - from this we can only draw the conclusion that most members instead of trying to solve problems, push them under the carpet.

In the long term, it will backfire on everyone, because advertisers will not pay to advertise on a forum where most of the posts will be so bad that no one will read them anymore.

This occurrence also happens on Press board for many years. If you ignore user "chmod755" (who SEO spamming bitcoin[dot]com) and "CoinTürk" (who SEO spamming coin-turk[dot]com and bitcoinhaber[dot]net), you'll realize that all recent threads on it is being ignored. So if those two users aren't nuked until now, i don't expect user mentioned by OP will be banned/nuked either.

Did they actually focused on reading or they focused on creating random topic? Because as I know, someone who is learning here should be doing more readings and replies than putting efforts creating topics with no meaning. I don't know but I believe most of them are being introduced here by someone and they should give them proper orientation on how to go about with this forum, from my looks most of them thinks creating continuous topic fetch them merits since many newbies doesn't have patient over this merits of a thing. Perhaps, creating topics seems something natural to them and could fetched them the merits needed instead without knowing they are putting themselves at the tight corner or being ignored by most users..

I try to check both of them on report plagiarism and report AI post thread, but I found nothing, so it means no one had report them.

For Fullbear2222 he's has his own writing style, it's hard to detect AI generated or not.

While the another one, I use four AI detectors, 2 say using AI and another two say it's human text.

Yeah it's hard to find a genuine newbie, either they're using AI, low quality poster, spammer or merit hunter.


Copyleaks - This is human text.
Hivemoderation - not likely to contain AI Generated Text
sapling.ai - Fake: 100.0%
Zerogpt - Your Text is AI/GPT Generated

It would be better to ask why people rush to answer such topics. He creates topics daily, and as Poker Player correctly noted, this person's behavior raises questions about normality. He does not answer his topics and does not support conversations (although I completely ignore him on all his accounts; I am not sure that this is so). But here the question arises about the need to create such topics where you do not conduct a discussion. He does not need merits; it is noticeable; he needs attention. Perhaps this person does not have loved ones, is lonely, and splashes out his entire stream of thoughts on the forum. And the one who answers his topics similarly highlights himself by simply fulfilling his signature quota, nothing more. If you disagree with the issues, and they are not interesting to you, just ignore him. The moderators have not noticed him for a long time, apparently ignoring him as well.

Today, the economics section has acquired this appearance, and all this is because of one spammer.


The situation is getting even worse.

Not everyone do the same and advises are only advises. It's up to each forum member to do their decision and take action.

Some members will not care about it, no ignore, no report.
Some members will click on Ignore and move on.
Some members will report these posts, threads but don't Ignore.
Some members will do both, report and ignore the user.

Generally garbage threads need massive clean-ups and continuous spammers with AI-generated posts, plagiarism need to be banned.