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timotron

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You get some idea, how easily BTC price can be manipulated from here: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionvalue-btc.html

Compare median and average transaction value, that shows very well, how half of transactions are made actually in silly value of 300 dollars or less, but aritmetical average is as high as 25 000 dollars. As there are not as many active addresses, as You would like to think, it means that several whales control HUGE share of transactions.

As transaction cost is very low, its very likely, that whales move BTC between their own multiple wallets and therefore can picture You a paint of any changes in BTC value, as they like.

Its a pure scam, no more.

This is a really interesting chart to discover a lot of info.
You are right, the difference is impressive between this 2 transactions. but how to confirm your theory?
A cane a transaction map could be useful hmm..

So your conclusion is that the whole crypto space is base on a Scam situation?

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on September 19, 2018, 04:09:15 AM

The whales are manipulation the market all the time, I don't think that's a secret. This should start fading away with the limited supply that bitcoin has and with more people joining the bitcoin scene in the upcoming years.

I would like to agree on that, but look at "all the money in the World" for now in the crypto market are like less than 0.5%.
I think we can make money with this tools, but I don't want to be at the end in the same pyramidal system.

If the battles follow like the last century, we have 0 change to have a real product, a use for the people, not for the mafias like Gov.

In any case, do you have any proofs?
maybe someone starts an ICO for pay "fraud" discoveries haha...

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Quote from: dohh on September 19, 2018, 04:07:38 AM

Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Hello everyone.
This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real? Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.

Good day.

Do You want to know, if BTC price is manipulated currently or You just want to get Your share out of manipulation?

I try to get my shares from every place I can, But here I wanted to know more about the invisible hands.

timotron

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Quote from: vhns222 on September 19, 2018, 04:07:20 AM

If people like you and me could answer that question then we would ask it at all as its very difficult to say, about 20k or more i think that big pump was when China and India were in game now there arent as i now.

Its difficult to say as it is difficult to say that we are been manipulated since the invention of God, Jesus or the Aliens and that we need weapons, or the climate change fear, or the BIO - ECO trend...

In any case, we can try to discover things step by step, don't we?

I have been following HACKEN for a while, they have come out with some nice readings about it, but I think still too much missing to get clear vision.

Do you really think that China and India are not playing this game anymore?
I think the whole planet is in this game.

Kprawn

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We cannot deny that a large amount of coins are concentrated around a small group of early adopters, but not all of them are

manipulating the price with their coins. Some of these people just sit on their coins and hoping for the Moon, to retire rich.

The percentage of early adopters and also large traders with big bags of fiat money will decline in future and coins will be

more evenly distributed amongst more people, so this will have less of an impact as coins goes to more people. Wink

Until then,

we just hope these people will handle that power to the benefit of the bigger group of investors. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: avikz on September 19, 2018, 04:32:36 AM

Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Hello everyone.
This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real? Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.

I too heard theories like this where big whales are blamed for manipulating the market. However, I have my own theory because I fail to understand this game. Lets assume, you hold 1000 bitcoins and you are an active trader. If the bitcoin price increases, your net worth will increase. If it decreases, your net worth will be decreased. So, as a whale how would you want the price to be decreased? No one has given me a justified answer to this. Fake order volume is happening across the exchanges, but why as a whale, I will want the price to be decreased? It will be affecting my net worth. I fail to understand this mentality.

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Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

No one knows it for sure. Everyone can speculate only and can't tell you the fate of the market in any way. If someone is saying that market will bounce back to 20k level by the end of the year, ask proof of that claim and that person will fall silent! So use your own brain and monitor the market trends very closely. That's the only thing we, as a common people can do!

I too agree with your views. I also find it hard to assume that price manipulation can be effectively executed. Besides the lowering of a whales net asset, how sure are they that they could actually buy what they sell? When active traders are present round the clock, waiting for a sell that is lower than the market price? The conspiracy theory of whale manipulating the price is quite convincing on some aspect but the technicality involved in such activities is beyond me really.

Besides, are we not simply fooling ourselves being in an economy that can be manipulated by the so-called whales should the matter be true?

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Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Hello everyone.
This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real? Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.

Good day.

As for the price of Bitcoin in the upcoming days, no one knows how high or how low it might be. We can never can tell the future. For market manipulation, I doubt it is the reason for the bearish market. Many people are afraid because of the SEC's regulations. They are just waiting before they will invest or reinvest in the market.

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IMO, there's a huge probability that the market is being manipulated. Whales can dump and pump a specific cryptocurrency when they want as they have a huge knowledge in the market and has a lot of experience not only in that specific currency but the technical aspects of the whole market.

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Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Hello everyone.
This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real? Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.

Good day.

No. Today's scenario is totally different from last year's as it was the period of launch of bitcoin futures due to which bitcoin price rose to new ATH of $20,000.But now, there is no such event.

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I've always though the whales are the ones behind the massive swings in the price recently. Back in the day, people would blame the news and/or events that the occuring in the cryptosphere to say that those factors are the ones behind the up and downs in the price, but we don't have that anymore, instead we have learge whales playing games in the market liquidating shorts and whatnot, others trying to tank the price so that more whales buy cheap...It's all blatant manipulation.

Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
Are we bouncing to +20K this time?

We haven't even tested the 10k levels and you can bet there'll be a lot of resistance at that level. But in all honesty, I doubt we'll test 20k this year, bearish sentiment is still surrounding market, I would be surprise if we see 10k towards the end of the year.

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It is true that these whales will be able to manipulate the price of the crypto currencies they can choose but I don't think that that is just that easy. If they really want to fully manipulate the prices of these cryptos I think they need to communicate with each other and make their plans or moves. Knowing some investors, I guess they will not go with these plan since they might betray each other taking the profits for themselves though there might be some manipulations but not that big of a scale.

HeRetiK

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Quote from: dohh on September 19, 2018, 04:19:02 AM

You get some idea, how easily BTC price can be manipulated from here: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionvalue-btc.html

Compare median and average transaction value, that shows very well, how half of transactions are made actually in silly value of 300 dollars or less, but aritmetical average is as high as 25 000 dollars. As there are not as many active addresses, as You would like to think, it means that several whales control HUGE share of transactions. [...]

Good thinking, but keep in mind that those large transactions do not necessarily represent individual whales.

Exchanges and companies may shift balances between internal addresses (eg. when moving coins between the hot wallet and cold storage or vice versa) and batched transactions will look huge in almost any case (ie. looking merely at the stats above you can't tell a single whale depositing USD 25,000,- from an exchange paying out USD 25,000,- to dozens their of users).

That being said, short of regulating cryptocurrencies to death you won't get rid of manipulation that easily -- heck, even in strongly regulated classical markets manipulation can be a problem. The question is to what extent and I'm afraid that's close to impossible to tell reliably.

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It's no secret that market manipulation is played by people who are a lot of money, he is able to buy more coins and they know when to sell it, it has happened lately and is exploited because of the absence of applicable law, it is very detrimental to many people who unhealthy because of the way they make money.

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Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

it`s real? Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?

Yes it is happening but those investors only do that because they want more of it they are just being greedy that's why they do that and they dont have a plan to dump it completely because they also trust this technology.

Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?

no, trust the invention and or this technology dont get affected to the volatility if you do you will never regret it for sure.

Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Are we bouncing to +20K this time?

No one can tell exactly what will happen maybe yes and maybe no.

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Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Hello everyone.
This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real? Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.

I too heard theories like this where big whales are blamed for manipulating the market. However, I have my own theory because I fail to understand this game. Lets assume, you hold 1000 bitcoins and you are an active trader. If the bitcoin price increases, your net worth will increase. If it decreases, your net worth will be decreased. So, as a whale how would you want the price to be decreased? No one has given me a justified answer to this. Fake order volume is happening across the exchanges, but why as a whale, I will want the price to be decreased? It will be affecting my net worth. I fail to understand this mentality.

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Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

No one knows it for sure. Everyone can speculate only and can't tell you the fate of the market in any way. If someone is saying that market will bounce back to 20k level by the end of the year, ask proof of that claim and that person will fall silent! So use your own brain and monitor the market trends very closely. That's the only thing we, as a common people can do!

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Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Hello everyone.
This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real? Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.

Good day.

You get some idea, how easily BTC price can be manipulated from here: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionvalue-btc.html

Compare median and average transaction value, that shows very well, how half of transactions are made actually in silly value of 300 dollars or less, but aritmetical average is as high as 25 000 dollars. As there are not as many active addresses, as You would like to think, it means that several whales control HUGE share of transactions.

As transaction cost is very low, its very likely, that whales move BTC between their own multiple wallets and therefore can picture You a paint of any changes in BTC value, as they like.

Its a pure scam, no more.

OmegaStarScream

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The whales are manipulation the market all the time, I don't think that's a secret. This should start fading away with the limited supply that bitcoin has and with more people joining the bitcoin scene in the upcoming years.

dohh

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Quote from: timotron on September 19, 2018, 04:02:13 AM

Hello everyone.
This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real? Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.

Good day.

Do You want to know, if BTC price is manipulated currently or You just want to get Your share out of manipulation?

vhns222

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If people like you and me could answer that question then we would ask it at all as its very dificult to say ,about 20k or more i think that big pump was when China and India were in game now there arent as i now.

timotron

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Hello everyone.
This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real? Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.

Good day.

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