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Topic: This world runs on EVIL,GREED and SELFISHNESS - page 2. (Read 8217 times)

hero member
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I understand what you are saying , but I was kinda serious.  Automated cars would probably be connected to a network to avoid congestion or report an accident (maybe a car hits a cow....) . If there is a network someone runs it.
Homeland Security Law would let the authorities have a connection to that for "times of crises". They already
have connections to everything across the country.

As long as they don't insist on you visiting the mother-in-law on Sundays and have a vehicle turn up expectantly to take you there...its all good Tongue

LOL totally agree.
legendary
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...snip...

I understand what you are saying , but I was kinda serious.  Automated cars would probably be connected to a network to avoid congestion or report an accident (maybe a car hits a cow....) . If there is a network someone runs it.
Homeland Security Law would let the authorities have a connection to that for "times of crises". They already
have connections to everything across the country.

As long as they don't insist on you visiting the mother-in-law on Sundays and have a vehicle turn up expectantly to take you there...its all good Tongue
legendary
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The fix for traffic problems is fully automated vehicles and it can not come soon enough in my opinion.

and then the government will tell you where and  when you can travel....
( is there any doubt that when there will be automated cars that they wont be connected to
some fed system? )

You'll know that's starting when they come and confiscate your tinfoil hat.  Best hide a spare one under the carpet.

I understand what you are saying , but I was kinda serious.  Automated cars would probably be connected to a network to avoid congestion or report an accident (maybe a car hits a cow....) . If there is a network someone runs it.
Homeland Security Law would let the authorities have a connection to that for "times of crises". They already
have connections to everything across the country.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
The fix for traffic problems is fully automated vehicles and it can not come soon enough in my opinion.

and then the government will tell you where and  when you can travel....
( is there any doubt that when there will be automated cars that they wont be connected to
some fed system? )

You'll know that's starting when they come and confiscate your tinfoil hat.  Best hide a spare one under the carpet.
legendary
Activity: 1449
Merit: 1001
The fix for traffic problems is fully automated vehicles and it can not come soon enough in my opinion.

and then the government will tell you where and  when you can travel....
( is there any doubt that when there will be automated cars that they wont be connected to
some fed system? )
hero member
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Yea... the problem arises when you get a ticket for gunning through a yellow because someone is tailgating you and the yellow is at or below the minimum duration. Or something like making a right on red while cars coming from the direction you are turning have the arrow to make a left (it makes sense if you imagine it). Most people who get these tickets are not going twice the speed limit. There is no evidence these things save lives or prevent accidents or anything like that. The primary purpose is revenue generation.
legendary
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Exactly what is happening here... they just installed a big bunch of those cams...  I can't say I'm not for it,
if someone wants to drive 130KMH  in a 90 zone , let him pay through the nose as far as I'm concerned- the
more the merrier- maybe , just maybe after 2000$ worth of fines the guy will calm down... if not
at least it might help pay for the damage that is done from other speeders.  It is impossible to enforce any law
if enough people don't follow it.  

reminds me of  a part in Star-Trek from a very long time ago. They land on a planet were everything looks like
heaven , everybody is smiling, there is NO CRIME.  After a while one of the party steps on the grass where you
 aren't supposed to- that's when they find out why there is no crime- there is only 1 punishment for all crimes- DEATH.


EDIT:  just to be clear - I don't think the above is the answer.....

legendary
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Think for yourself
If the gov't took away their license how would they keep collecting fines???
so the judges are in cahoots with the rest of the bunch.....

Well so many municipalities are going to red light cameras and speed detectors.  They can't legally charge the perp with a crime because a police officer didn't catch them and witness it and press charges/ticket them, a machine, who answers to no one, did.  So they have to decriminalize these crimes and make the automated process of ticketing someone a civil suite.

So basically our solution to too many people breaking the law's is to decriminalize them and automate the enforcement of lesser charges that then becomes a revenue source for the municipality.

So judges aren't even involved usually.  And there is less/no accountability.  Ain't technology great?
Sam
legendary
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If the gov't took away their license how would they keep collecting fines???
so the judges are in cahoots with the rest of the bunch.....
hero member
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If the gov't took away their license how would they keep collecting fines???
legendary
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What tax do you propose for greedy politicians?  For assholes on the road?
People that don't give a damn about smoking in public places?
the list goes on and on...


I am not talking about SICK people like child molesters or rapists..they deserve to die.
But supposedly "normal" people that care about nobody or anything but #1 ( themselves)



It seems you have some ideas, maybe?  What are they?
Sam

Not really. I believe myself to but a VERY law abiding person, but some days i just wish i had the
guts to be a vigilante . The punishments i see that criminals get just make me laugh. How can
an evil person be deterred from committing another crime when it's just WORTHWHILE...

Just as an example... we have drivers that get ticket after ticket for speeding, running red lights
and they get a fine..A FINE after the 3rd , 4th  , 10th time....  just take away there damn driving license!
but no... that will be too much , poor guy.. how will he get to work? Isn't there a limit to a persons liberties?

 
legendary
Activity: 3583
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Think for yourself
What tax do you propose for greedy politicians?  For assholes on the road?
People that don't give a damn about smoking in public places?
the list goes on and on...


I am not talking about SICK people like child molesters or rapists..they deserve to die.
But supposedly "normal" people that care about nobody or anything but #1 ( themselves)



It seems you have some ideas, maybe?  What are they?
Sam
legendary
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the world has always ran this way, otherwise there would be no need for money, bitcoin included.

I don't agree - money was invented to help commerce.
So you could buy milk without having to have the exact commodity
that the milkman needs.
sr. member
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the world has always ran this way, otherwise there would be no need for money, bitcoin included.
legendary
Activity: 1449
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What tax do you propose for greedy politicians?  For assholes on the road?
People that don't give a damn about smoking in public places?
the list goes on and on...


I am not talking about SICK people like child molesters or rapists..they deserve to die.
But supposedly "normal" people that care about nobody or anything but #1 ( themselves)

legendary
Activity: 1449
Merit: 1001


I'm simply responding to "we can't do anything - this is human nature". There is plenty you can do! And it applies beyond the mining pool example. The only reason I used the mining pool example is because it was the motivation for this thread.

It looks like Graets jumped right back into working to improve and maintain the pool. This is a good reaction to have. The world doesn't stop turning because there are assholes out there. We just have to learn to pay the proper asshole tax and move on!

you are kind of contradicting yourself...
newbie
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LOVE runs the world.  Evil just stands out in an obvious way when it happens.
legendary
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So the answer is - we cant do anything - this is humane nature.

Take responsibility for yourself.

In the example of a mining pool being robbed, well we have a technological solution for that already! It's called P2Pool.

If you mine on a traditional pool, you are placing your trust in the operator. This was fine and dandy when it was the only option to reduce variance.

Today we have a better option. Mining on P2Pool, you only have to trust your ability to keep your Bitcoins safe. An added bonus is that you are also helping decentralize the network. 

So again, take responsibility for yourself, and fix the world one step at a time. Protect yourself from thieves, large and small. If everyone would do this, thieves would no longer be able to exist, they would starve. They would be forced to become a contributing member of society to put food on their plate.

Just to put things straight. I have no connection to ozcoin pool, never even mined there.  The title of this thread was bouncing around in my mind for days and had to put up the thread when I read about Graets "problems" and his reaction to them( he is since back to his jolly self it seems now...)
legendary
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Think for yourself
Well, you can't judge a community by a vocal minority.

True enough, but to a noob it may seem like a majority.  Whether it is a majority or not it discourages people and drives them away.

There is nothing wrong with barriers to enter mining. I wish they were higher to be honest.

I could not disagree more.  I would think the Bitcoin community would want the maximum number of people, regardless of technical aptitude, to download and install the Bitcoin Client and run it.

And honestly, CPU mining via the client is a waste of energy. I don't think we should be encouraging people to waste energy, there are already enough critics that complain about Bitcoin's footprint.

With all due respect, but, who are you to judge how I choose to use my electricity and for what purpose I choose to use it?  Do you pay my electric bill?  Do you know where my electricity comes from?  And who gives a FRA what any critic says about a footprint.  I don't.

Bitcoin is not only about mining. It's one aspect. The barriers to mine are not the same as the barriers to use. I think the barriers to use are the most important to break down for the future success of Bitcoin. If people want to take the extra step to learn how the network works and do their part, fantastic.

True too.  But when the Generate Coin option was removed you removed the incentive to "give a whirl" altogether for many people.  Again I would think the community would want as many people as possible to install and run the client.  Is that an incorrect assumption?

That said, P2Pool built into the client, so people with the appropriate hardware can mine effectively, would be great.

I'm sure that is a completely unbiased opinion on your part right? Smiley

I think it would be more, or at least just as, productive as reinstating CPU mining and maybe some type of generic GPU mining capability back into the client.

Just think if every Bitcoin user/miner installed the client on every machine they had and mined on just one CPU core at a very low priority and/or had an integrated GPU module similar to Ufasofts which did not require additional software to be installed on the machine and solo mined at a low hash rate that didn't impact computer usage, what would that do to the distributed nature of the Bitcoin network?  My WAG would be that we wouldn't be worrying about Deepbit, or any other pool, impacting the network quite some much.

Sam
legendary
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Think for yourself
Today we have a better option. Mining on P2Pool, you only have to trust your ability to keep your Bitcoins safe. An added bonus is that you are also helping decentralize the network.

Also the community, in general, needs to take responsibility for pools centralizing the network too much, if that's indeed the case, by pushing people away from solo mining.

I've never seen the community push people away from solo mining. Unless you are suggesting the community (of miners) grew, increasing the difficulty, and thus pushing people away from solo mining.

When I started getting interested in Bitcoin and asked for guidance, some people, kindly enough, suggested that CPU mining and solo mining probably weren't the best use of resources.  But then there were more than a few who went further on both subjects to suggest was just plain stupid to solo mine not only stupid but implied that it was somehow immoral to CPU mine and hence it was proper to remove it from the client.

All I really wanted to do, in the beginning, was to get a CPU or low end GPU mining on a machine, that was running 24/7 anyway, up and running and then just forget about it and check the wallet a couple times a year.

And I think that many people may/could be turned away from Bitcoin because of these barriers.  If there were a simple way for a person to get started so that they didn't have to spend allot of time, like many of us do, they would be more inclined to be involved in Bitcoin.  Even if it is only to CPU mine for a while with the standard client.

Sam
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