Thoughts on Straight HODL vs Trading - page 9.

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There are three conditions where you must trade or HODL.
1. Market is on the rise then day trade half of the invested money and HODL half of it.
2. Market is stable then day trade 75% of the invested money and HODL the rest.
3. Market is CRASHING then HODL but harvest in certain rises and buy back more when it goes down further.
Note: This is not a trading advice just an trading approach

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Quote from: ajdaj on March 16, 2018, 01:58:42 PM

Quote from: supermine on March 16, 2018, 12:22:53 PM

Quote from: Kunlejoe0 on March 16, 2018, 06:53:57 AM

Holding or Trading as the case may be is neither good nor bad. It is all depend on case per case basis. Sometimes it is not advice able to hold and it may not be bad sometimes to cut losses by selling either.

But until now a long time holder makes lot of money than a long time trader,so hold is the best option when compare it with the trading because trading needs lot of effort and time but in holding we just need to buy bitcoin and keep it for some years to make money and the profits will be more than trading in my knowledge.But holding will not suit for all the coins so we need to pick right coins if we want to hold.

I think it's very easy to advise, but it's quite difficult to choose a really good project or a coin. At least this is the only and difficult task for an investor or a trader.

A lot of people always end up sentimental or drawing conclusions when they should obviously do some research to know the real thing before commenting. Trading or holding both depends on the individual level of knowledge. Where trading requires a lot of knowledge, holding does not require much unless to understand what you are investing in. However, from what supermine said, that is absolutely untrue. A trader will always make more in the long run than a holder, as you keep making more as a trader from the fluctuations, but like I said, it is not for everyone.

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Quote from: Sinecoin on March 15, 2018, 09:45:12 PM

What I mean by straight HODL is that your hold through the crashes and the rises until you inevitably cash our and by trading I mean that you hold for a few months and then sell into fiat and wait for the expected dip/recession.
What i've noticed over the past years is that if I was less greedy and just cashed out after a reasonable profit and then held until the inevitable crashed, I would have made much more money than if i just held or bought another coin.

An example of this is when I bought eth at 475 and sold at 1380. Right after I sold I bought ltc at 230 thinking that it was gonna skyrocket after some of the money from the eth will flow back into the other coins. The problem with that was that the entire market crashed and so if I were to just hold my fiat i would have been able to easily double my money.

Let me know what your guys's thoughts are on this.

I always thought that hold would be the most profitable and safe way to trade the most when it comes to the times when the market is storming. But it can be seen that in order to become a holder, it is important that you have a strong mind and can study and research potential projects that can grow in the long run. These are very important factors for you to make a profit. If you do not control the capital you will be confused between hold and trade that is extremely dangerous and will require you to lose capital slowly.

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Quote from: arpon11 on March 16, 2018, 08:58:59 AM

Trading is far better than holding and I have benefits more from trading more than holding. Trading especially swing trading give high return than other investment and I have tested the two and find out that trading can give three hundred return in just a month and one need to be too over luky for one to actually make that amount in a month in one year.

Holding is just less risky than trading and that is the advantage holders enjoy over traders. Moreover, it also depends what a person is holding. If it is bitcoin, he can make a good increase in the capital within a short span of time but other than that there is no good in it. Similarly, bitcoin trading can bring the most profit given that a person has the essential expertise. The most important thing is that trading is fun and a profession.

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Quote from: forexdrew on March 16, 2018, 06:32:18 AM

worth taking into account the emotional/time cost of trading regularly vs HODL.
Time is money of course

Holding is something which you can only do once you dint have need of having money on urgent basis and that you are comfortable with keeping your coins in your wallet for sufficiently greater time. however, trading is really a tough job to do and for that, you need to do all of efforts and hard work. It all depends on your personal capabilities as well as your daily routine and interest which can help you in deciding the things.

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Quote from: Sinecoin on March 15, 2018, 09:45:12 PM

What I mean by straight HODL is that your hold through the crashes and the rises until you inevitably cash our and by trading I mean that you hold for a few months and then sell into fiat and wait for the expected dip/recession.
What i've noticed over the past years is that if I was less greedy and just cashed out after a reasonable profit and then held until the inevitable crashed, I would have made much more money than if i just held or bought another coin.

An example of this is when I bought eth at 475 and sold at 1380. Right after I sold I bought ltc at 230 thinking that it was gonna skyrocket after some of the money from the eth will flow back into the other coins. The problem with that was that the entire market crashed and so if I were to just hold my fiat i would have been able to easily double my money.

Let me know what your guys's thoughts are on this.

You are not mistaken in your thoughts this is why tether was created the problem is like always timing the market and that is something that is impossible to do in a consistent way, this can be exemplified with what happened last year, where many people sold their bitcoin for a few thousand dollars thinking that was the top and it wasn't and the price reached a mark close to 20000 dollars.

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Quote from: cryptodv on March 16, 2018, 03:42:04 PM

I've never been good at trading, I HODL all my coins, plus I don't have time to sit around and execute or place sell/buy orders. I've made excellent money just holding good projects, ie.. $NANO, $NEO, $ETC, $ARK

Holding is the best strategies for all of us who are busy in somethings and can’t find way to monitor the market 24/7. Personally, I just buy good coins at a lower price, and sell if its already hit my target price. Either you trade or just hold, sure profit will come to you if you have your goal.

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Quote from: Gotottack on March 19, 2018, 06:33:24 AM

With the current situation of Bitcoin now, I no longer believe in straight holding. Just want to share a piece of why my heart is broken. Last year at the peak of Bitcoin, I opted to not withdraw because I believe it will still continue to balloon. (Yes, I have been so greedy then.) Now that the first quarter of 2018 is about to end and considering closely the value of Bitcoin to date, I can say that it was a not so good decision after all. Had I chosen to realize the huge profits I made in 2017, I would have been able to use the money I earned to venture in other operating businesses -- something more tangible. With the very unstable market, it is best to always realize your profits no matter how little you make as long as it is on a regular basis. It is one definite way to ensure your investments are in tact and will not turn water.

Your heart is broken with the first trouble! What you think how it
must felt for people after 2013, they waited for years $20k to come.
When Bitcoin price rushed to $20k people felt optimistic, $100k
were possible. People wanted to buy at $20k and sell on $100k. All this
people now suffer from loss, never buy when price is rising. I am not a
trader and I know that. I am holding and buying more, I do not cry or
suffer cause price is dropping.
Be ready for new bottom and years at $3k-$5k price, that is the same
like in 2014-2017 when price were $300-$500 price, now price have one
zero more. Next time when Bitcoin start to rise in couple years we can see
$200k, hold!

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With the current situation of Bitcoin now, I no longer believe in straight holding. Just want to share a piece of why my heart is broken. Last year at the peak of Bitcoin, I opted to not withdraw because I believe it will still continue to balloon. (Yes, I have been so greedy then.) Now that the first quarter of 2018 is about to end and considering closely the value of Bitcoin to date, I can say that it was a not so good decision after all. Had I chosen to realize the huge profits I made in 2017, I would have been able to use the money I earned to venture in other operating businesses -- something more tangible. With the very unstable market, it is best to always realize your profits no matter how little you make as long as it is on a regular basis. It is one definite way to ensure your investments are in tact and will not turn water.

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Quote from: cryptodv on March 16, 2018, 03:42:04 PM

I've never been good at trading, I HODL all my coins, plus I don't have time to sit around and execute or place sell/buy orders. I've made excellent money just holding good projects, ie.. $NANO, $NEO, $ETC, $ARK

Same here, all of my picks that were included in my past portfolio have failed. Every time I see a coin that starts to rise up, it suddenly crashes when I bought in. I don't know if it is bad luck or something else. But, the way things go around when I'm trading is really bad. I always think that trading didn't really suits me well.

I tried holding last year within 2 months and that's the time when Bitcoin price go crazy. Well, it didn't turn out good as well. I enjoyed holding my coins and completely forget to monitor the price, so instead of gaining little profits, I end up with a bad result.

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Quote from: ipanks on March 19, 2018, 02:37:16 AM

Quote from: Sinecoin on March 15, 2018, 09:45:12 PM

What I mean by straight HODL is that your hold through the crashes and the rises until you inevitably cash our and by trading I mean that you hold for a few months and then sell into fiat and wait for the expected dip/recession.
What i've noticed over the past years is that if I was less greedy and just cashed out after a reasonable profit and then held until the inevitable crashed, I would have made much more money than if i just held or bought another coin.

An example of this is when I bought eth at 475 and sold at 1380. Right after I sold I bought ltc at 230 thinking that it was gonna skyrocket after some of the money from the eth will flow back into the other coins. The problem with that was that the entire market crashed and so if I were to just hold my fiat i would have been able to easily double my money.

Let me know what your guys's thoughts are on this.

from your experience, I think you need to look more deeply for the ltc because I think litecoin still need too long before it could increase and I don't see that litecoin will go up in this short time. but I think you could still hold your litecoin until the price is up again and I hope that you still have another money in your wallet so you can continue to trade. but I see that you can make a lot of profit for selling ethereum and I guess you learn from your experience.

Yes LTC need more time to grow up, you have one more option to get back your loss that is day trading. LTC price is fluctuating b/w $10 - $20 so if you are a pro trader you can use this opportunity and slowly earn back your loss but this is too risky.

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Quote from: Sinecoin on March 15, 2018, 09:45:12 PM

What I mean by straight HODL is that your hold through the crashes and the rises until you inevitably cash our and by trading I mean that you hold for a few months and then sell into fiat and wait for the expected dip/recession.
What i've noticed over the past years is that if I was less greedy and just cashed out after a reasonable profit and then held until the inevitable crashed, I would have made much more money than if i just held or bought another coin.

An example of this is when I bought eth at 475 and sold at 1380. Right after I sold I bought ltc at 230 thinking that it was gonna skyrocket after some of the money from the eth will flow back into the other coins. The problem with that was that the entire market crashed and so if I were to just hold my fiat i would have been able to easily double my money.

Let me know what your guys's thoughts are on this.

from your experience, I think you need to look more deeply for the ltc because I think litecoin still need too long before it could increase and I don't see that litecoin will go up in this short time. but I think you could still hold your litecoin until the price is up again and I hope that you still have another money in your wallet so you can continue to trade. but I see that you can make a lot of profit for selling ethereum and I guess you learn from your experience.

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Quote from: panganib999 on March 16, 2018, 06:53:17 PM

Quote from: mk4 on March 15, 2018, 10:53:20 PM

That's the exact reason why a good number of people just hold or "HODL". You simply just can't predict how the markets are going to move. Sure, people do technical analysis for a reason, but it only works to a certain extent in my opinion. If you like spending a good number of hours a day analyzing charts, then sure go for trading. But if you'd rather do something else throughout your day, then just hold.

It is always a good thing to consider holding when it comes to investing in bitcoin. It is an additional way for us to earn and to gain profit which could definitely help us to earn more and have more capabilities to start another investment in trading in other cryptocurrencies in other words, option for us to manage and to analyze, we could hold bitcoin at the same time deal with other ways we could earn.

not at al times, because sometimes its good to sell what you hold and to buy again when it deeps more. Another is not only bitcoins is good to hold, the altcoins that have a high possibility of making a good price because of its potential is very much worth it to hodl.

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Quote from: mk4 on March 15, 2018, 10:53:20 PM

That's the exact reason why a good number of people just hold or "HODL". You simply just can't predict how the markets are going to move. Sure, people do technical analysis for a reason, but it only works to a certain extent in my opinion. If you like spending a good number of hours a day analyzing charts, then sure go for trading. But if you'd rather do something else throughout your day, then just hold.

It is always a good thing to consider holding when it comes to investing in bitcoin. It is an additional way for us to earn and to gain profit which could definitely help us to earn more and have more capabilities to start another investment in trading in other cryptocurrencies in other words, option for us to manage and to analyze, we could hold bitcoin at the same time deal with other ways we could earn.

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I've never been good at trading, I HODL all my coins, plus I don't have time to sit around and execute or place sell/buy orders. I've made excellent money just holding good projects, ie.. $NANO, $NEO, $ETC, $ARK

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Straight holdings gives an earning where the price increases high, and it is the risk free method of making an earning. Same time trading requires a continuous buying and selling making use of the price fluctuations. Here the risk is big and to the same the earning we make compared to that of straight holding is big.

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Quote from: ajdaj on March 16, 2018, 01:58:42 PM

Quote from: supermine on March 16, 2018, 12:22:53 PM

Quote from: Kunlejoe0 on March 16, 2018, 06:53:57 AM

Holding or Trading as the case may be is neither good nor bad. It is all depend on case per case basis. Sometimes it is not advice able to hold and it may not be bad sometimes to cut losses by selling either.

But until now a long time holder makes lot of money than a long time trader,so hold is the best option when compare it with the trading because trading needs lot of effort and time but in holding we just need to buy bitcoin and keep it for some years to make money and the profits will be more than trading in my knowledge.But holding will not suit for all the coins so we need to pick right coins if we want to hold.

I think it's very easy to advise, but it's quite difficult to choose a really good project or a coin. At least this is the only and difficult task for an investor or a trader.

So you wamt to earn money without any effort?
If you want to earn money then you need to find the good coins but it is already there buy bitcoin which is the best ever crypto currency to invest.

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Quote from: supermine on March 16, 2018, 12:22:53 PM

Quote from: Kunlejoe0 on March 16, 2018, 06:53:57 AM

Holding or Trading as the case may be is neither good nor bad. It is all depend on case per case basis. Sometimes it is not advice able to hold and it may not be bad sometimes to cut losses by selling either.

But until now a long time holder makes lot of money than a long time trader,so hold is the best option when compare it with the trading because trading needs lot of effort and time but in holding we just need to buy bitcoin and keep it for some years to make money and the profits will be more than trading in my knowledge.But holding will not suit for all the coins so we need to pick right coins if we want to hold.

I think it's very easy to advise, but it's quite difficult to choose a really good project or a coin. At least this is the only and difficult task for an investor or a trader.

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Quote from: Sinecoin on March 15, 2018, 09:45:12 PM

What I mean by straight HODL is that your hold through the crashes and the rises until you inevitably cash our and by trading I mean that you hold for a few months and then sell into fiat and wait for the expected dip/recession.
What i've noticed over the past years is that if I was less greedy and just cashed out after a reasonable profit and then held until the inevitable crashed, I would have made much more money than if i just held or bought another coin.

An example of this is when I bought eth at 475 and sold at 1380. Right after I sold I bought ltc at 230 thinking that it was gonna skyrocket after some of the money from the eth will flow back into the other coins. The problem with that was that the entire market crashed and so if I were to just hold my fiat i would have been able to easily double my money.

Let me know what your guys's thoughts are on this.

I think that it is always better to diversify investments into more crypto because in this way the crypts that rise compensate for those that fall.
The question is different if the whole market goes down or goes up. in any case you should not be greedy thinking that the value of a crypto continues to rise, or have panic if it continues to fall. In this world we need a lot of patience.

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As long as you don’t sold any during the markets crashed you don’t lose anything, but if you sell because you panicked its hard to recover the loss. These market is very tricky that’s why timingbis very important and lowering greed is the key to make good profits.

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