Thurman Vs Stanionis WBA world welterweight December 9 - page 2.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 22, 2023, 08:37:57 PM

I'm not sure if the odds would be that low. I'm expecting the odds to be between 1.40 to 1.50. That's fair to me. We will wait for the experts to release their odds.

Thurman odds against Barrios is 1.53 (https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/keith-thurman-vs-mario-barrios-fight-prediction-odds-undercard-start-time-preview-how-to-watch/)

Man, that was up against a fighter I think is better than Stanionis. So, it's kinda hard to expect Thurman's odds at 1.50 or even 1.40 against some unknown boxer. Maybe 1.30 makes more sense, but honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if they go even lower than that.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 22, 2023, 01:42:07 AM

Even tho Thurman did not compete for a while i think he is still the favourite going into it. His record is pretty good and his last performance (tho long time ago beginning of 2022) was good. I would not could Stanionis out tho, and i think he might actually be my pick for this fight. He is young and active with a good record aswell.

Good luck with that, I think you are putting your money at a high risk bet, but we never know for sure what the outcome would be, as you know, upset is not impossible, Honestly, I have a feeling this is Thurman's time to shine. He loss the opportunity or a significant fight, one that was rumored to be a prelude to facing either Spence or Crawford. I'm sure his goal is to make a comeback and get another shot at the championship. Winning this fight is the first step, and his performance needs to be electrifying to drum up excitement among the fans, which is what the promoters are looking for. So, I think there's a good chance Thurman might secure a victory by knockout in this fight.

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I tried searching for the betting odds for this fight, but it looks like they're not available yet. We could've used that to see how the bookies are sizing up this match. If the odds gave Thurman a win probability of, say, 1.20 (implying an 83.3% chance), we might think they're overrating him, and it should be more like 80:20 in his favor. But until the odds come out, our own assessment is what we've got. Of course, it's tough to question the bookmakers; they're the experts at this game, and their odds usually represent what most bettors are thinking about a particular fight.

I'm not sure if the odds would be that low. I'm expecting the odds to be between 1.40 to 1.50. That's fair to me. We will wait for the experts to release their odds.

Quote from: edmundduke on October 22, 2023, 01:42:07 AM

Even tho Thurman did not compete for a while i think he is still the favourite going into it. His record is pretty good and his last performance (tho long time ago beginning of 2022) was good. I would not could Stanionis out tho, and i think he might actually be my pick for this fight. He is young and active with a good record aswell.

Both of them didn't compete for a while. They're both inactive for almost the same period. Thurman's 1 year and 8 month's inactivity isn't much different from Stanionis' 1 year and 6 months.

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Even tho Thurman did not compete for a while i think he is still the favourite going into it. His record is pretty good and his last performance (tho long time ago beginning of 2022) was good. I would not could Stanionis out tho, and i think he might actually be my pick for this fight. He is young and active with a good record aswell.

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This is a 50:50 fight for me, but I think Thurman will prevail. Stanionis isn't a fighter of Keith's level. Even though Thurman is inactive, Stanionis is also inactive. Even though Thurman is much older than Stanionis, I don't see how the younger fighter's age advantage can defeat Thurman's vast experience.

Stanionis isn't special. He's not a rising star. Thurman on the other hand was once a star. He had the power and the skills. Although he's not anymore in his best of shape, neither is the young Stanionis.

Why's it a 50:50 for you? From the way you're breaking down these fighters, it doesn't seem that even. Maybe a more reasonable call would be 60:40 or even 70:30 in favor of Thurman. I agree with your point that Thurman seems to be on a higher level. It looks like a tune-up fight for him, no offense to Stanionis fans, but this boxer is pretty much unknown. You don't hear his name in conversations about rising stars in boxing. So, I'm kinda puzzled about why Team Thurman chose this kind of opponent.

You're probably right, 60:40 or 70:30 is perhaps the right ratio in this fight's potential result. I'm just taking too much from Thurman simply because of his age and inactivity. But I expect that the odds of this fight will, even heavily, favor Thurman.

If this older and inactive fighter was able to outclass a much younger and more active Barrios in their fight last year, I don't see how he would fail to manhandle an inactive and older Stanionis.

I tried searching for the betting odds for this fight, but it looks like they're not available yet. We could've used that to see how the bookies are sizing up this match. If the odds gave Thurman a win probability of, say, 1.20 (implying an 83.3% chance), we might think they're overrating him, and it should be more like 80:20 in his favor. But until the odds come out, our own assessment is what we've got. Of course, it's tough to question the bookmakers; they're the experts at this game, and their odds usually represent what most bettors are thinking about a particular fight.

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But this is still a potential fight. I hope this will happen.

There's a possibility that this fight will be postponed or worse cancelled since it isn't a big one.

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This is a 50:50 fight for me, but I think Thurman will prevail. Stanionis isn't a fighter of Keith's level. Even though Thurman is inactive, Stanionis is also inactive. Even though Thurman is much older than Stanionis, I don't see how the younger fighter's age advantage can defeat Thurman's vast experience.

Stanionis isn't special. He's not a rising star. Thurman on the other hand was once a star. He had the power and the skills. Although he's not anymore in his best of shape, neither is the young Stanionis.

Why's it a 50:50 for you? From the way you're breaking down these fighters, it doesn't seem that even. Maybe a more reasonable call would be 60:40 or even 70:30 in favor of Thurman. I agree with your point that Thurman seems to be on a higher level. It looks like a tune-up fight for him, no offense to Stanionis fans, but this boxer is pretty much unknown. You don't hear his name in conversations about rising stars in boxing. So, I'm kinda puzzled about why Team Thurman chose this kind of opponent.

You're probably right, 60:40 or 70:30 is perhaps the right ratio in this fight's potential result. I'm just taking too much from Thurman simply because of his age and inactivity. But I expect that the odds of this fight will, even heavily, favor Thurman.

If this older and inactive fighter was able to outclass a much younger and more active Barrios in their fight last year, I don't see how he would fail to manhandle an inactive and older Stanionis.

But this is still a potential fight. I hope this will happen.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 21, 2023, 09:09:10 PM

This is a 50:50 fight for me, but I think Thurman will prevail. Stanionis isn't a fighter of Keith's level. Even though Thurman is inactive, Stanionis is also inactive. Even though Thurman is much older than Stanionis, I don't see how the younger fighter's age advantage can defeat Thurman's vast experience.

Stanionis isn't special. He's not a rising star. Thurman on the other hand was once a star. He had the power and the skills. Although he's not anymore in his best of shape, neither is the young Stanionis.

Why's it a 50:50 for you? From the way you're breaking down these fighters, it doesn't seem that even. Maybe a more reasonable call would be 60:40 or even 70:30 in favor of Thurman. I agree with your point that Thurman seems to be on a higher level. It looks like a tune-up fight for him, no offense to Stanionis fans, but this boxer is pretty much unknown. You don't hear his name in conversations about rising stars in boxing. So, I'm kinda puzzled about why Team Thurman chose this kind of opponent.

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This is a 50:50 fight for me, but I think Thurman will prevail. Stanionis isn't a fighter of Keith's level. Even though Thurman is inactive, Stanionis is also inactive. Even though Thurman is much older than Stanionis, I don't see how the younger fighter's age advantage can defeat Thurman's vast experience.

Stanionis isn't special. He's not a rising star. Thurman on the other hand was once a star. He had the power and the skills. Although he's not anymore in his best of shape, neither is the young Stanionis.

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We haven't seen Thurman in the ring for a while, although he did win a fight after his loss against Pacman. But the Pacman fight is the one that really stands out in our memories, as it was a major event, especially for me since we consider Pacman as our hero. Thurman is known for his outspoken nature, and rightfully so, because he was a champion and still fights like one. If not for his injury, he could have been more active in boxing, but that's in the past, something we can't change. What matters now is that he's gearing up for another fight. I'm not sure if it's a big fight, but with Thurman in the ring, it's bound to be an intense battle, really worth watching. My concern is for his opponent, as I don't think they'll fare well in a toe-to-toe fight against Thurman.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 20, 2023, 11:45:42 PM

Thurman doesn't fight often and outside of his win against Barrios, a b-level fighter, doesn't have a meaningful win in many years. The ring rust will be a factor although Stanionis hasn't fought in 18 months himself. Stanionis isn't all that great but I expect him to win simply because he is younger and still in his prime.

Thurman cannot afford to lose to this up-and-coming fighter he is on a comeback trail his fight against Barrios cannot be considered as something that has built his reputation, since this is a championship fight he will regain a crown and from here he can challenge big names in the welterweight because he already has a title, but this Stanionis is not a patsy, he has a good record and a hard puncher, so Thurman should use his vast experience to overcome Stanionis power.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on October 21, 2023, 06:41:13 AM

Indeed, Thurman's recent fights haven't been against popular boxers. It seems like a big step down, especially considering that one would expect him to face opponents at the top of the rankings. I was personally hoping to see him fight someone like Spence, but with the rematch activated, or perhaps Ennis.

It's good that Thurman did not take Claressa Shield's challenge if he had he would have become a laughing stock, Thurman cannot be considered a has-been boxer he can still keep up with top boxers in the division if he beat Stanionis and become a champion again, he will have a chance to redeem himself by fighting the top boxers in the division.
On Stanionis this is a big challenge, a win against Thurman will catapult his name to the top and who knows he will have a chance to challenge Crawford if he can get an impressive win against Thurman.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 21, 2023, 05:23:35 AM

Stanionis is undefeated with a good knock out record but not experienced enough to beat Thurman I thought Thurman was going to fight Claressa in an exhibition match, well this is the fight where Thurman will prove to Claressa that he is a dangerous fighter so she will stop pestering him.

It should be enough because Thurman is a championship-level fighter, while Stanionis is relatively unknown and hasn't had significant fights against well-known opponents. The contrast here is clear, and I personally feel that this fight isn't what I expected. I thought Thurman would have the opportunity to face a more popular fighter.

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Stanionis has never fought a fighter as tough as Thurman, so this is his acid test as a champion, checking his fight highlights he is good but he has fought fighters that cannot be considered top rank so this is the fight that will define him if he deserves to a real champion.
I still consider Crawford, Spence, and Ennis as the top names in the welterweight division.

Indeed, Thurman's recent fights haven't been against popular boxers. It seems like a big step down, especially considering that one would expect him to face opponents at the top of the rankings. I was personally hoping to see him fight someone like Spence, but with the rematch activated, or perhaps Ennis.

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Stanionis is undefeated with a good knock out record but not experienced enough to beat Thurman I thought Thurman was going to fight Claressa in an exhibition match, well this is the fight where Thurman will prove to Claressa that he is a dangerous fighter so she will stop pestering him.

Stanionis has never fought a fighter as tough as Thurman, so this is his acid test as a champion, checking his fight highlights he is good but he has fought fighters that cannot be considered top rank so this is the fight that will define him if he deserves to a real champion.
I still consider Crawford, Spence, and Ennis as the top names in the welterweight division.

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I don't really think Thurman has done anything recently to be fighting for a world title but they are closely aligned with PBC so their fighters get special favors when they aren't very deserving. As far as I'm concerned, Terence Crawford is the only legitimate welterweight champion currently.

Thurman doesn't fight often and outside of his win against Barrios, a b-level fighter, doesn't have a meaningful win in many years. The ring rust will be a factor although Stanionis hasn't fought in 18 months himself. Stanionis isn't all that great but I expect him to win simply because he is younger and still in his prime.

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Quote from: Latviand on October 20, 2023, 09:10:24 PM

I've seen Thurman fight and even though he has a cocky attitude, his fighting style in my opinion is something to look out for, he won't be fighting Pacquiao if he wasn't worthy. Plus the wealth of experience that he's got compared to Stanionis is a big help.

Thurman was a champion, and that pretty much explains why he's considered a better fighter. He lost his belt to Pacman, which is fair enough since Pacman is a legend, but it was a well-fought battle. It could have gone either way since the fight ended in a split decision, if I recall correctly.

This fight feels more like his comeback, and I thought so, but it's not against a champion, so it's not as interesting. However, the fact that he has a fight now makes me believe he could still make a comeback to that championship fight one day.

Quote from: Latviand on October 20, 2023, 09:10:24 PM

I'd put my money on Thurman on this fight although I would probably consider arbitrage betting.

Of course, that's the smart choice. But why arbitrage?

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I've seen Thurman fight and even though he has a cocky attitude, his fighting style in my opinion is something to look out for, he won't be fighting Pacquiao if he wasn't worthy. Plus the wealth of experience that he's got compared to Stanionis is a big help. I'd put my money on Thurman on this fight although I would probably consider arbitrage betting.

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It's great to hear that Thurman is making a comeback to the ring after over a year of being inactive. His last fight was back in May 2022 against Mario Barrios, which he won via unanimous decision. His opponent is still quite young, at 29 years old, and doesn't have much experience. So, I'd automatically put my bet on Thurman to win this fight, especially since he has only one loss, and many believe he could have won that fight against Pacman if he had been more aggressive in the first half of the round.

I think Thurman really needed this break, and while the fight against Crawford didn't happen, it's good to see him back in action. I'm hoping he wins this fight impressively, and I'm sure there's a big fight waiting for him in the near future.

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Thurman is supposed to fight Claressa Shields and he's been daring Crawford to fight but after all the negotiation he will end up fighting for the WBA world welterweight against Stanionis

Stanionis was scheduled to fight Ortiz in July but the fight was cancelled because Ortiz was hospitalized two days before the weigh-in.
Both fighters have a long lay off but definitely, they are going to be in the right shape come fight night as both fighters always show up in great shape.

For me, the fight is almost even but I have Thurman winning by decision since he is the more experienced and versatile fighter between the two.

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Thurman has agreed to challenge WBA world welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis on December 9 in Las Vegas. The bout between Thurman, a former WBA/WBC 147-pound champion, and Stanionis will be part of a pay-per-view card Showtime will distribute from MGM Grand Garden Arena, which will commemorate the venue’s 100th boxing card that night.

Eimantas Stanionis-Keith Thurman Set For December 9 As Part Of Showtime/PBC PPV In Vegas

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