Topic: ✨✨✨ Time To SHORT For Massive Profits!! ✨✨✨ - page 3. (Read 1281 times)

Although I do not agree with shorting this market. However I do think at $14K it's still a bit too expensive to buy in.
I'll view $10K as a good point

They'd have to do it in the opposite order. If they sell their bitcoin first and then sell short (it's not called buy short, but it is called buying puts), they'll have missed the market.

They need to sell short (or buy puts) and then sell their Bitcoin, and then their short future contracts will be in the money and they can make some money.

Thanks for clarifying, I misunderstood you too. So now the question is - how much would one person or entity need to sell to move the market enough? Would selling 1,000BTC do it? 10,000BTC? More?

And these guys have to currently own or buy that much Bitcoin for them to be able to engage in your scenario without having run up the market from where we are now.

You sound like an uninformed investor, so I hope I don't offend you if buying Bitcoin was one of your first experiences. But previous results are not indicative of future results. They are two separate events. There's three ways to invest and they are basically all wrong:

1. Fundaments (lol, basically the same as trying to beat the analysts at sportsbetting and you have to pay juice, like trading fees, bid/ask spreads, commission, taxes, etc)

2. Technical Analysis (lol, using charts and maths to try to predict the future)

3. Investor Sentiment (lol, trying to guess trends based on things like analyst hype and media)


Theres actually a 4th way to invest. Its to collect fees off other people's money and just enjoy the lols.

I have a lot just like this and what is the true point of this thread?
Is it to give knowledge for a fall that would happen because they will do it just to win the bet or is it just a simple FUD?

Maybe you are right and then there is this is other where you might be wrong too. You mean to say it is really goig to happen? What if not? Then they lose their bets.

It is not just them who holds the coin.

Actually, I believe you just misunderstood my wording. I said they will "cash in" and then "bet on the downfall", meaning exactly: sell their bitcoin and buy short options.

Wow, you don't understand at all how this is going to work.

It's ok, i can help explain.

(1) CME & CBOE will buy and hold Bitcoin. The futures contracts the CME and CBOE are going to open for their customers will exist on the CME and CBOE exchange networks. They'll buy a bunch of Bitcoin, hold it in reserve, add some Dollars to it, to have a pool of money from which to back a portion of the transactions. What they can't back represents their risk.

(2) CME & CBOE will make (create) a market for futures contracts against/on Bitcoin. The investors are speculating with other investors and firms on the CME & CBOE exchange whether they think the price of Bitcoin may go up or down. I'll repeat...this will happen on on the CME & CBOE exchange.

(3) The Bitcoin blockchain will never be involved in these speculative contracts. The futures speculation happens with the CME and CBOE. There will be no interaction with the blockchain, therefore the supply/demand created by the futures contracts will not directly cause the same activity on the blockchain. The two networks of investment activity are always separated.

(4) Bitcoin price will be influenced by the long term buy and hold and sell activity. As the CME, CBOE, investment firms, or individual investors decide to speculate on the future price of Bitcoin they may have to buy and hold bitcoin to represent risk mitigation for their bets on the CME & CBOE exchange.

To long, didn't read? These futures contracts aren't being transacted over the Bitcoin Blockchain. These contracts are bets about future prices, they don't actually require anyone to buy and/or sell Bitcoin for each contract. The Bitcoin price isn't going to go crazy each day. There are currently futures contracts on oil, gas, pigs, coffee, oranges, soy beans. Are the value of these items going crazy each week? No.

LOL You could already make gains when crypto was dropping with shorting on exchanges like Kraken and Poloniex

Anyhow. Bitcoin is here to stay... this is just the beginning. Only this year Bitcoin price increased 20x. What do you think will happen next year where the adoption will be even higher?

I think you are getting the dynamics wrong. Yes, shorting bitcoin might be profitable, but only if the price falls as well. So for Wall Street whales to profit from going short on bitcoin, it means that they need to also get for it's price to fall, and in order to do that, they need to sell BTC. Do they have BTC already? Maybe they do, and maybe that's why we saw the price of BTC increasing like crazy, but maybe that was just legit adoption. So if Wall Street whales don't have BTC, they have no control over it's real price, so they will take huge risks by going short on BTC.

To be honest, I think they already hold some BTC, and they will short and sell BTC at the same time, and they will win from both sides. But the thing is, why stop there? They can then go long on bitcoin, and buy some coins to make the price increase, and again will profit from both sides. I don't think they will destroy crypto. They will do what they do best, they will collect huge profits with crypto, and they have a lot to gain with it's existence.

You're acting as if 99% of the world used their brains. They don't. Which is almost always why they're in the 99% in the first place.

Also, if you believe that Bitcoin is a ponzi you're either a clown, or a FUDster who's trying to pick up coins at a discount. Good luck with that.

Currently there is not adequate methods to bet on both sides of bitcoin.

But this is all changing starting on December 10th, 2017!!!!

The downfall has already begun  B)

Wallstreet is about to collude and drive the price of bitcoin to the ground. 400+ Billion USD is the amount of profits that are up for grab by shorting bitcoin and altcoins. Wallstreet thrives when the USD $ is strong. They also thrive using questionable practices of collusion and market manipulation.  Theres no way they are going to let crypto currency get in the way of their profits. There is also 0 chance that 99% of the world is going to agree to adopt a currency that has inflated 15,000% by the first 1% to adopt it. Crypto will certainly crash before the remaining 99% of the world population agree to get scammed by the intial 1% of investors. Wallstreet agreed to add options for crypto because it is in their best interest to create a way to short. They will also collect huge on Fees.

The smartest players who drove prices will start to cash in, and then bet on the downfall. Everyone is going to be scrambling to collect in on this 400 Billion USD that was generated off, essentially, a Ponzi Scheme. You can certainly make a lot of money off a Ponzi Scheme as long as the next guy in line continues to buy into the hype. Institutional investors are about to make tons of money off options. Financial leverage is one of the biggest benefits of trading options. I predict the downslope will be as sharp as the rise. 


Good luck, invest responsibly