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March 12, 2016, 02:30:53 AM
#83
This is an old topic but those that come to it might get incorrect information about Timekoin. I've put together a FAQ that answers a lot of questions here and elsewhere on the Internet. This should save a lot of searching and myself answering the same questions repeatedly.  Grin

Timekoin FAQ Document

Thanks!
sr. member
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January 22, 2016, 03:29:30 AM
#82
This is an old topic but those that come to it might get incorrect information about Timekoin. I've put together a FAQ that answers a lot of questions here and elsewhere on the Internet. This should save a lot of searching and myself answering the same questions repeatedly.  Grin

Timekoin FAQ Document
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Like making new friends!
June 04, 2015, 02:31:21 PM
#81
Hello Freigeist, thank you for the advice and list of coins! will def be looking at those and trying them out, and agreed that its a shame re timekoin I did like the currency.
take care
craig
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June 04, 2015, 01:00:36 PM
#80
Hello guiltmanager.

As you say most of altcoins are btc or ltc spinoffs but there are some other coins
developed from scratch like NEM, NXT, FIMK , HZ, BURST and  Cripty.
They all have a web wallet that works in browser.
You could try some of those that I have mentioned here.

Anyway is pity that timekoin is not actively developed any more.
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Like making new friends!
June 03, 2015, 11:44:37 PM
#79
Personally, I love the interface of timekoin, i.e. it being a webpage interface based wallet, as this works very well with my assistive screen reading technology.

I'm totally blind, and as such use screen reading technology on my computer, and most wallets for cryptocoins are a spin off from bitcoin, don't work with my screen reader, and thereby exclude me from participating in most crypto currencies. Given that timekoin uses a web interface, I'm not excluded from using it, which is great, I wish more wallets would follow in their footsteps.
I admit there are problems with the wallet, i.e. sometimes it hangs when i try to log in, and nothing but a full restart will resolve it, but apart from that its great.
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November 26, 2014, 07:42:02 AM
#78
Timekoin is dead long time ago, are you trying to bring back the dead, better put are you trying to resurrect the dead?

What you mean is dead?!
I see it's alive here: http://timekoin.org/
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November 26, 2014, 06:52:46 AM
#77
Timekoin is dead long time ago, are you trying to bring back the dead, better put are you trying to resurrect the dead?
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The Protocol for the Audience Economy
November 25, 2014, 07:05:32 PM
#76
Can someone please see if they can help KnightMB or take over the project?

This has great potentials!
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November 03, 2013, 11:44:16 AM
#75
In few weeks online exchange. Smiley
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October 23, 2013, 07:40:36 AM
#74
This crypto-currency is still alive and kicking!
You have some news on the site, video,... So check out!
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November 10, 2012, 02:48:52 PM
#73
some weird shit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cats-lead-feds-to-knightmb-worth-371kbtc-in-romney-tax-hack-123591. is knightmb (371,000 ring a bell) the  maker of timekoin and what does he have to do with the romney extortion?
legendary
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November 10, 2012, 12:45:42 PM
#72
yeah i like this project to... good alternative approach to the blockchain and mining...  I have some timecoins if anyone want to trade them to Smiley make me an offer!! 


Grin I think we should have a competition as who has the most complete collection of different coins. I am sure you are one of the contenders  Wink
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November 10, 2012, 06:59:16 AM
#71
yeah i like this project to... good alternative approach to the blockchain and mining...  I have some timecoins if anyone want to trade them to Smiley make me an offer!! 
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November 10, 2012, 05:28:05 AM
#70
I'm curious myself how sybil attacks are prevented. Apparently there is nothing stopping me posing as millions of different identities/miners. From the looks of it, this does not appear to be implementation of the POS scheme either. If this is something novel, would the OP mind describing how it is supposed to work?

Confirmed. Based on my read, sybil attacks are simply allowed. One connection to the network, one vote. Not one coin one vote. Nor one hash one vote.

Interestingly, the list of people who are allowed to generate currency is controlled by 51% voting. And there is some kind of queue to get on the list. Thus the botnet can slowly build up spots in the queue until it controls 51% of the spots on the list and then control 100% of currency generation forever after.

Of course, botnets are free to double spend too. Though my guess is that simply printing new money would be easier.

Thanks for you analysis, cunicula.

I think I can see the intention behind this, but as you describe, it's easily attackable because IP-Adresses are cheap. Unless this is somehow taken care of, I don't see how it can work.
legendary
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November 10, 2012, 05:04:30 AM
#69
I'm curious myself how sybil attacks are prevented. Apparently there is nothing stopping me posing as millions of different identities/miners. From the looks of it, this does not appear to be implementation of the POS scheme either. If this is something novel, would the OP mind describing how it is supposed to work?

Confirmed. Based on my read, sybil attacks are simply allowed. One connection to the network, one vote. Not one coin one vote. Nor one hash one vote.

Interestingly, the list of people who are allowed to generate currency is controlled by 51% voting. And there is some kind of queue to get on the list. Thus the botnet can slowly build up spots in the queue until it controls 51% of the spots on the list and then control 100% of currency generation forever after.

Of course, botnets are free to double spend too. Though my guess is that simply printing new money would be easier.
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September 09, 2012, 07:48:25 PM
#68
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Yeah before I get a clearer answer regarding this I would assume this is a failed attempt of minting based on time without centralized identification service. The designer probably grossly underestimated the impact of sybil attack, in this case it's an attack on the minting design (aka counterfeiting). It's part of the core foundation of a currency design. Any currency that cannot effectively deal with counterfeiting is doomed to failure.

They're not counterfeit-- they're real Timekoins and the bot-net could do whatever it wants with them.  The problem is that the bot-net can take over the network and outnumber other users so they will be unlikely to generate coins.  If there really is a 33,000 joins-per-year limit then it only slows down that process-- how do you tell the difference between a "normal" user trying to join and one of 100,000 bot-net zombies staggered throughout the year trying to join?

Of course this is similar to normal cpu users in Bitcoin no longer being able to mine coins themselves.  But in Bitcoin the benefit is that network security increases as the difficulty level rises (and consequently the mining farms' coins can be understood as a reward for that work they are doing).  In Timekoin it only means you have a bot-net with a huge stash of coins that isn't adding security to the network, nor did it expend much in resources to get them in the first place.

I don't see anything in the technical document that addresses this.  But again-- this isn't the same bot-net problem that Bitcoin has faced because Timekoin doesn't require the proof-of-work which provides a barrier to entry for the Bitcoin bot-net (and which makes it unlikely that the successful Bitcoin bot-net operator of one would just destroy the coins for lulz).

Still, I could be missing some feature that mitigates this threat.
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September 09, 2012, 03:56:37 PM
#67
Assuming throttling membership controls inflation (which I also doubt), it still doesn't solve the Sybil attack. Any more explanation?

I asked such a question on the Timekoin forum but framed it in terms of a botnet attack which gave the responder a chance to evade the question by pointing out that Bitcoin is also vulnerable to botnets.

Maybe a better way to frame the issue is that a botnet chugging away at solving Bitcoin blocks can indeed threaten the health of the network, especially by not including any transactions in blocks it solves.  However, such behavior still requires intensive use of botnet resources and even continues to help the network by providing more confirmations for the transactions that are included in the block chain.  But with Timekoin, if all the zombies of a botnet queued up it would be an effective DDOS on including new non-botnet nodes in the network, without any benefit to the network at all.  Worse, AFAICT it costs next to nothing for those bot-nodes to queue up.

ASIC mining might make it too costly for a bot-net Bitcoin miners (and maybe introduce new risks of consolidation of hashing power), but what would stop the botnet from continuing its DDOS in Timekoin on new adopters?

Yeah before I get a clearer answer regarding this I would assume this is a failed attempt of minting based on time without centralized identification service. The designer probably grossly underestimated the impact of sybil attack, in this case it's an attack on the minting design (aka counterfeiting). It's part of the core foundation of a currency design. Any currency that cannot effectively deal with counterfeiting is doomed to failure.
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
September 09, 2012, 02:35:54 PM
#66
Go have a read. It's good stuff.

I read it when this thread was started. I'm not going to be a timekoin early adopter, as said some months ago:

You guys can be early adopters, have fun Grin Grin Grin.

Thanks mate!  Grin Cheesy Wink Smiley


Yeah that was before the technical paper was 20 pages. It has been revised. No need to if you dont want to. =)
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September 09, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
#65
Go have a read. It's good stuff.

I read it when this thread was started. I'm not going to be a timekoin early adopter, as said some months ago:

You guys can be early adopters, have fun Grin Grin Grin.

Thanks mate!  Grin Cheesy Wink Smiley
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September 09, 2012, 02:14:21 PM
#64
Assuming throttling membership controls inflation (which I also doubt), it still doesn't solve the Sybil attack. Any more explanation?

I asked such a question on the Timekoin forum but framed it in terms of a botnet attack which gave the responder a chance to evade the question by pointing out that Bitcoin is also vulnerable to botnets.

Maybe a better way to frame the issue is that a botnet chugging away at solving Bitcoin blocks can indeed threaten the health of the network, especially by not including any transactions in blocks it solves.  However, such behavior still requires intensive use of botnet resources and even continues to help the network by providing more confirmations for the transactions that are included in the block chain.  But with Timekoin, if all the zombies of a botnet queued up it would be an effective DDOS on including new non-botnet nodes in the network, without any benefit to the network at all.  Worse, AFAICT it costs next to nothing for those bot-nodes to queue up.

ASIC mining might make it too costly for a bot-net Bitcoin miners (and maybe introduce new risks of consolidation of hashing power), but what would stop the botnet from continuing its DDOS in Timekoin on new adopters?
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