Topic: Tips on not getting scammed & a fun callout to serious devs. - page 2. (Read 4513 times)

No, you aren't, you are responding to what you think I said. You conflated my opinions on bitcoin the protocol/code and bitcoin the economic system even though I carefully separated them.
You also claimed that I said something like "satoshi fractured the community" which is definitely not what I said. I said he set a bad precedent - anonymous head of a pyramid scheme is what I was implying based on the prior sentence. I did not say that Satoshi fractured it, but that his precedent led to the inevitability of it.

Where in my post did you see 'patronising' ?
It is all simple facts of life.
You on the other hand are very patronising. And your onwards stream of 'expert facts' and 'I know better' has no relevance to what I am saying.
Oh as for your - you go demand that from successful closed source companies who are big business players today.

I'm talking about honesty and ethics. That is two of the basic cornerstones (obviously amongst others) of a good business. If someone can provide those two fundamentals into a business, then the rest of the business will grow with whatever talent you put into it.
Honesty and ethics are unfortunately rare commodities these days.

The rest of your post just tells me that you love to bash other people and come across as a 'master oracle', so I'm not going to engage you any further on that. I am no developer, coder, technician or anything like that, so I would never be able to satisfy an apparent 'oracle' like yourself. I have no desire to start studying stuff I don't need.

What I am though, is a human who knows who to trust and who not to trust. From your lecturing of me, you would fall into the last category. I would never trust a person with your attitude! So don't you 'Cheers' me ever again! Unless of course you realize you went too far in your bashing.

PS: have no idea of who that is..

Heh I noticed, he's been here as long as me, and probably taken as much shit.  It wears you out

1.  True inflation does erode the real and perceived value, but so does allowing demand to be countered by wild price swings and bubbles, as then no one has a damn clue what it should be worth.  Ultimately that is the same thing, loss of faith, loss of value.

2.  Perhaps not, and I agree for the most part that it is indeed a revolutionary technology.  That doesn't mean though that it's got everything right, and something else isn't going to replace it that does a better overall job.  Look at almost any technological innovation in history, the first out the door is nearly ALWAYS succeeded by something else bigger, faster, better.

3.  There are no loopholes as such, but there are actions which you can take which cover the short term "bumps", yet allow the long term to pan out as the market commands.  This is something I'm working on and is one of the unique features of eMunie (damn, I knew this thread would keep spiraling here )

4.  Yes I am referring to the Karl Manx labor theory of value, and no I haven't developed a model that uses it as its inefficient and not required for what our crypto "movement" as a whole is trying to achieve.  I was stating that Bitcoin resembles very closes that theory, whether intended or not I do not know, but regardless it is a consequence of the POW used to secure the network.

5.  Agree also, it has lost it, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make.  It doesn't matter if it has lost that decentralized aspect or not, fact remains it kickstarted an entire industry which revolves around disruptive decentralized technology, so its still genius

As far as I am concerned, I am responding directly to your statements. And thanks for calling me a Bitcoin fanatic - I feel all warm inside.
I don't think I am going to scour through your post history just to find something that can substantiate your arguments.
Also, the third part of my quote is relevant because it counters your accusation of Satoshi fracturing the community.


Fuserleer, I must confess that Ix's dismissive attitude towards Satoshi, Bitcoin and the community as a whole was what prompted me to engage him in the first place.

1. I've heard similar arguments before, and I was interested to see which direction he will take. Resolving the pressure of demand with inflation (creating new product units) diminishes both the real and perceived value of the product. I think we've all learned that from fiats, yes?

2. The single similarity doesn't really justify the "barf" remark. Bitcoin is revolutionary. It's a fact.

3. I think the same can be said of any product - unless someone has found a loophole in the law of supply and demand.

4. I take it you mean the labor theory of value? I am very interested to see how you've developed a currency model using ltv. I'll probably check it out.

5. I disagree. Bitcoin has lost one of its central tenets - decentralization, which has effectively crippled its wider adoption. However, Satoshi's entire model as a whole is still revolutionary, as was his code.

I've no problem with courteous and respectful questions, no matter the subject.  Outright accusations and aggressive ego's I never have and never will stand for and parties taking such an approach will be met with the same attitude in retaliation.

I believe in treating others as you yourself would like to be treated, and I do until provoked.  If people can't or don't abide by the same, then I have no problem taking off gloves

Also, I'm used to drama, bad luck, short end of every stick all my life.....if I ever write an auto-bio, you should pick up a copy, it'll be entertaining hehe

Maybe we should add to this list the ability to handle conflict resolution effectively, you got lured in by the trolls with your Emunie project pretty easily until something that wasn't a big deal, became a big deal to people. I know you are on the up and up, drama follows you though.

I think IX's point is that demand is not constant and can move up or down.  BTC has a constant supply generation that cant react to, nor cares about demand.  If you have a moving demand, but the supply is fixed, then it's down to the other variable in the equation to take up the difference, which is price.

That is similar in parallel to Gold, except we know the supply parameters of BTC, we don't with Gold.  The end result is the same though, no real control over supply of Gold just as with BTC, so the price is the only variable that can move.

Another similarity with BTC & Gold, is that while there is not control over supply, both can be bought and hoarded en mass leading to a bubble, and nothing can be done about it.

The above was one of the main reasons I decided to develop eMunie as opposed to doing something with BTC (plus the fact that the economic model is based on the medieval theory of "Value By Labour")

From a technical standpoint Bitcoin is genius.  As a tool to kickstart to decentralization of wealth, its genius.  From an economic standpoint, it sucks.

rugrats, I'm not going to devolve way off topic with you. I was speaking to Fuserleer as someone who I know recognizes the same thing. I'm done arguing about bitcoin with fanatics, I spent about 2 years doing it already, feel free to look at the posting history of etlase2 (save the scammer that used it to scam someone recently after the purchase of it). My account being banned has nothing to do with it. I didn't miss the third part of your quote, it isn't relevant so I ignored it.

Thanks  And they haven't actually, there is still a few left that not even Mrs.Fuserleer knows about  (also kudos points for actually being one of the few that recognize that a lot of the stuff out there atm was originally my idea!)

Doesn't matter anyway, they are all spread around different currencies, most implemented badly IMO.  Nothing is the complete package, or is slick enough to pull in enough momentum to topple BTC, or even LTC for that matter.

However, what with Mr.Bridge Lurker and us, this threads getting off topic, its not about eMunie or my alleged criminal activities

1. A consensus-based unregulated digital currency that exists independent of the existing fiat currency system sans traditional gatekeepers, and as I've said earlier, based on a generational leap in socioeconomics theory and cryptographic utility - you barf at this as if even a remotely similar, competing technology exists before? Your have a strange definition of revolutionary.

2. "inability to cope at all with demand"
Please elaborate. I''m curious to see which end you'll be leaning towards. It would be good if this doesn't veer towards your own crypto.

3. I realize your earlier account was banned, which would explain your intense dislike of the Bitcoin community as a whole. However, it doesn't change the fact that said community exists because of Satoshi. You originally accused Satoshi of "fracturing" the community, oblivious to the fact that he created the community and said "fracture" occurred long after he's left the scene. The fact that you keep returning here to promote your crypto shows you too want to leverage the knowledge/wealth of the community. Am I wrong?

Further, I noticed you missed the third part of my quote. I'll just repost it to keep the discussion in perspective.

Fyi, I'm excited to see how you will substantiate your rather extreme positions.

Pot finally meets Kettle!  So accusing me of being a scammer isn't an attack on my person?

I've just had a browse through your post history, seems you are the first to call scam on anything and everything, and you've never had a single good word to say about me or the project. 

So on that note, in the troll box you go and ignored 

Now ain't that the beauty of the scam, and the irony is its pulled off almost exclusively by those on the forum who are the most experts in securing bitcoin  

You though you really can't let go of attack the person angle can you, got to sneak that into every reply, that's a sign of arguing on the internets too much.

+1 keep up the good work, even thou all your ideas have been stolen already.

I think it's past your bedtime, you're having trouble thinking....if I stole my own BTC, they wouldn't be stolen would they!  

You tell me how on earth I prove I don't have something in my possession and I'll gladly do it.  But as far as I'm aware, that is impossible to do.

When its ready, as I've been saying for the past 6 months.  I wanna do it right, because I believe what we have is good enough to compete with anything head on that is currently in the works.

Whether I'm right about that, well, different matter, who knows!

How in any single word is your reply anything to do with defending the FACT that you stole your own bitcoins? Classic change the topic and spin it on the messenger.

*YAWN*  Make sure you have your apology ready for the new year, as soon after I'll be calling you out on it. 

Oh wait, you'll be one of those guys that are too yellow to actually have some decency and respect to offer an apology when you are proven wrong, and will probably instead decide to go and slump in the shadows and pretend you never said anything....

Its guys like you that have turned decent, smart people away from this site...all mouth and opinion, but never produce anything, even if it failed, it wouldn't matter, at least you tried.  But no, much easier to sit there fapping away calling everyone else out.....sad.

Yes and thats the way this scam played out (you know its been done more then a few times here already?), make you seem or innocent and such, oh but I paid back any investor that wanted their funds back  , but it wasn't those investors you where scamming now was it (well atleast not yet)? but a scam none the less.

Those you really stole from don't know it....well yet  

You're little vaporware cult group maybe believes your bullshit, many other see right through it, most just cbf calling you out on it.

if a coin has no premine, is opensource and no ito - i dont really care who the developer is... if he wants to stay anon he can...

i dont think any coin can claim it has a developer: its the majority of its users who decides. if another developer makes a change to the coin and the community likes it more is it suddenly his coin?

a coin - when released - only belong to the community and not an entity