There are people who belong to TMAN's gang
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Topic: TMAN abuses DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future - page 2. (Read 1685 times)
January 19, 2019, 07:30:26 AM
@lauda - its my gang now - see...
January 19, 2019, 07:28:11 AM
Hello OP, I think you have skipped an option in the poll.
The poll is like-
"What to do with abuser TMAN?"
Option 1: Exclude
Option 2: Exclude
Option 3: Exclude
There are people who belong to TMAN's gang and they would vote for "Keep TMAN as he is currently." Please, always include all probable voting option
The poll is like-
"What to do with abuser TMAN?"
Option 1: Exclude
Option 2: Exclude
Option 3: Exclude
There are people who belong to TMAN's gang and they would vote for "Keep TMAN as he is currently." Please, always include all probable voting option
January 19, 2019, 05:48:33 AM
I hope that members can reset their thinking.
A lot of the people that are currently distrusting each other are ultimately on the same side.
-snip-
No. I am fairly certain that this is not the case. You can clearly see that based on sent ratings, trust lists (mind the exclusions, the inclusions are more important) and how they approach the whole subject to begin with. A lot of the people that are currently distrusting each other are ultimately on the same side.
-snip-
January 19, 2019, 05:26:30 AM
Especially for the gang that organized the Russian genocide in the DT lists.
"We do not want war, but who will come to us with a sword - from the sword and die. In fact stood, stands and will stand the Russian land!"
The Holy Grand Prince Alexander Nevskiy
"We do not want war, but who will come to us with a sword - from the sword and die. In fact stood, stands and will stand the Russian land!"
The Holy Grand Prince Alexander Nevskiy
January 19, 2019, 02:33:13 AM
I initially thought the quote from theymos was faked, but upon investigation it is not. Lol.
The problem with the new trust system is that you do not need to be viewed as trustworthy by anyone that matters in order to get on DT1. This means several people with a little bit of power, such as those TMAN is close with/to, can effectively control who is on DT1, both adding people and excluding people.
I am not a fan of the new DT system however, TMAN and his clique should all be blacklisted from being on DT1, as most of them engage in behavior consistent with organized crime, and best case they are very shady. They often leave many contentious ratings and have done so without consequences.
The problem with the new trust system is that you do not need to be viewed as trustworthy by anyone that matters in order to get on DT1. This means several people with a little bit of power, such as those TMAN is close with/to, can effectively control who is on DT1, both adding people and excluding people.
I am not a fan of the new DT system however, TMAN and his clique should all be blacklisted from being on DT1, as most of them engage in behavior consistent with organized crime, and best case they are very shady. They often leave many contentious ratings and have done so without consequences.
Got any proof to back up allegations like that?
I am not sure if you have seen the above thread but there it one example.
There are other examples of them protecting each other and other examples that are not as bad as the above.
I was asking for proof, not for more allegations.
January 19, 2019, 02:25:11 AM
I hope that members can reset their thinking.
A lot of the people that are currently distrusting each other are ultimately on the same side.
Yet together we can be much stronger in the fight against scams.
A distrust war doesn't benefit anyone in the long run. It will create warring fractions and coups.
We don't want scammers and we don't want the forum to be just spam from a massive account farm.
Spam and shitposts will drive the good posters away.
I'm in a neutral position on this whole topic and have not taken a side in this conflict. I'm against spammers and scammers.
I think Russian representation on the DT system is important. If the right people are on the DT system then the co-operation between the Russians and the English speaking DTs will result in more scammers and spammers being caught, tagged and banned.
Russian is a complex language and it is easy to misunderstand innuendo, jargon and slang.
Also there is a massive risk involved in removing existing DTs from DT positions. Even controversial characters have done a massive amount of good for this forum that is undone if they are removed from DT.
I really hope that both parties can reconsider their positions and come to a compromise. I've started some dialogue between some of the parties via PM.
Part of that is also discussing community values. Discussion about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Community values. DT
A lot of the people that are currently distrusting each other are ultimately on the same side.
Yet together we can be much stronger in the fight against scams.
A distrust war doesn't benefit anyone in the long run. It will create warring fractions and coups.
We don't want scammers and we don't want the forum to be just spam from a massive account farm.
Spam and shitposts will drive the good posters away.
I'm in a neutral position on this whole topic and have not taken a side in this conflict. I'm against spammers and scammers.
I think Russian representation on the DT system is important. If the right people are on the DT system then the co-operation between the Russians and the English speaking DTs will result in more scammers and spammers being caught, tagged and banned.
Russian is a complex language and it is easy to misunderstand innuendo, jargon and slang.
Also there is a massive risk involved in removing existing DTs from DT positions. Even controversial characters have done a massive amount of good for this forum that is undone if they are removed from DT.
I really hope that both parties can reconsider their positions and come to a compromise. I've started some dialogue between some of the parties via PM.
Part of that is also discussing community values. Discussion about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Community values. DT
January 19, 2019, 01:41:53 AM
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Mak013
Zuzma
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madnessteat
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I just hope that the two moderators, which are included by theymos, are staying away from all this folk.
January 19, 2019, 12:41:02 AM
I initially thought the quote from theymos was faked, but upon investigation it is not. Lol.
The problem with the new trust system is that you do not need to be viewed as trustworthy by anyone that matters in order to get on DT1. This means several people with a little bit of power, such as those TMAN is close with/to, can effectively control who is on DT1, both adding people and excluding people.
I am not a fan of the new DT system however, TMAN and his clique should all be blacklisted from being on DT1, as most of them engage in behavior consistent with organized crime, and best case they are very shady. They often leave many contentious ratings and have done so without consequences.
The problem with the new trust system is that you do not need to be viewed as trustworthy by anyone that matters in order to get on DT1. This means several people with a little bit of power, such as those TMAN is close with/to, can effectively control who is on DT1, both adding people and excluding people.
I am not a fan of the new DT system however, TMAN and his clique should all be blacklisted from being on DT1, as most of them engage in behavior consistent with organized crime, and best case they are very shady. They often leave many contentious ratings and have done so without consequences.
Got any proof to back up allegations like that?
I am not sure if you have seen the above thread but there it one example.
There are other examples of them protecting each other and other examples that are not as bad as the above.
January 18, 2019, 03:22:04 PM
ask loyce, pharmacist of tman, fox pup, bla bla any of these to provide you with some of their best, insightful and thought provoking posts.... that you would expect such high merit holders to have by the 100's...... and.....
You will get nothing. These fools can not provide any content here except parroting crap they already got spoon fed to spam their sigs.
I don't seem to recall you asking me for my best posts, but if you insist, I am quite proud of my coverage of the 2016 unofficial global moderator election. I do have hundreds more amazing posts, as you say, but I don't want to make this thread all about me. You will get nothing. These fools can not provide any content here except parroting crap they already got spoon fed to spam their sigs.
January 18, 2019, 03:06:30 PM
This forum is abused by individuals who have gained trust via fake or longer accumulation. It seems that once these individuals have gotten to a certain trust reach they feel as if they now magically are allowed to abuse that power to deliberately abusing new members and leaving negative feedback on others without any valid reason. The individuals I'm talking about are the ones we spoken to on this forum, most of which we've never even heard of until out of randomly someone leaves us negative feedback just because they felt like it, and the mods barely even listen, clearly they are doing this and you can see, the weird thing is that each time we started.a thread about these individuals, the mods removed it, yet they let these individuals go around leaving people negative feedback and calling others names. This isn't acceptable, like you seriously need to grow up...and what's going on with the extortion attempt? I want in...
Maybe you are just mad that you scams have failed, maybe? Nah I know how to to deal with silly kids like yourself...you'll see
January 18, 2019, 03:00:59 PM
...not to mention that they already have other DT2 members among them so there is no lack of scam busting power or whatever they're looking for regarding DT.
So, I myself to search for Russian in section DT2? Are you not ready to answer for your words?
Apparently tomorrow will have to do a new topic with a comparative analysis of the number of Russian users on the forum, number of posts in the Russian local Board and the number of Russian users at lists DT1 and DT2.
What does this have to do with the number of posts or users? Trust system should be based on users whose judgement can be trusted. It doesn't make any sense to link that to user counts or post counts. It often takes years for one to earn such trust.
So why have proven liars and those that support liars? seems you should be excluded at once.
January 18, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
This forum is abused by individuals who have gained trust via fake or longer accumulation. It seems that once these individuals have gotten to a certain trust reach they feel as if they now magically are allowed to abuse that power to deliberately abusing new members and leaving negative feedback on others without any valid reason. The individuals I'm talking about are the ones we spoken to on this forum, most of which we've never even heard of until out of randomly someone leaves us negative feedback just because they felt like it, and the mods barely even listen, clearly they are doing this and you can see, the weird thing is that each time we started.a thread about these individuals, the mods removed it, yet they let these individuals go around leaving people negative feedback and calling others names. This isn't acceptable, like you seriously need to grow up...and what's going on with the extortion attempt? I want in...
Maybe you are just mad that you scams have failed, maybe? January 18, 2019, 02:55:11 PM
This forum is abused by individuals who have gained trust via fake or longer accumulation. It seems that once these individuals have gotten to a certain trust reach they feel as if they now magically are allowed to abuse that power to deliberately abusing new members and leaving negative feedback on others without any valid reason. The individuals I'm talking about are the ones we spoken to on this forum, most of which we've never even heard of until out of randomly someone leaves us negative feedback just because they felt like it, and the mods barely even listen, clearly they are doing this and you can see, the weird thing is that each time we started.a thread about these individuals, the mods removed it, yet they let these individuals go around leaving people negative feedback and calling others names. This isn't acceptable, like you seriously need to grow up...and what's going on with the extortion attempt? I want in...
January 18, 2019, 02:39:51 PM
What does this have to do with the number of posts or users? Trust system should be based on users whose judgement can be trusted. It doesn't make any sense to link that to user counts or post counts. It often takes years for one to earn such trust.
By my count you have three or four DT2 members. I have re-added chimk who got excluded earlier and I believe he would make a good DT member and seems to be willing to learn how things work.
By my count you have three or four DT2 members. I have re-added chimk who got excluded earlier and I believe he would make a good DT member and seems to be willing to learn how things work.
If you carefully read the topic for which I redtrusted TMAN - you would see how acute the problem is the lack of users able to leave colored reviews in the trust. I'm not talking about a personal trust that takes years to make. I'm talking about the ability to leave color reviews to dozens and hundreds of farm accounts that have bred in our locale.
How does this relate to the number of messages in the locale? Directly connected! Number of posts in Russian locale: 4 095 224 Posts. This is about 10% of all forum posts. You realistically consider that 3-4 users enough to process such number of posts? If the DT2 sheet is now about 300 people, the representation of Russia there should be at least 20-30 people. Less easy to handle. I'm not particularly interested in representation in DT1 but our representation in DT2 requires a serious increase.
Anybody can post trust ratings. Many of those posts are in the altcoin board, which doesn't show DT scores so being a DT member makes little difference. On the other hand, non-DT members posting trust ratings can show responsible use of the trust system and earn their place in DT. You're wrong to assume this takes less time than earning trade trust. Trusting one's judgement is different and likely more complicated.
And DT members don't need to read all posts. Scams can get reported by any user. DT members can review and act. Putting unqualified users into DT would just make it worse.
So again, instead of disrupting the trust system for the rest of the forum perhaps you can work on improving what you already have.
January 18, 2019, 02:39:34 PM
Doing some digging and found the ass kissers here...what's up?
January 18, 2019, 02:35:55 PM
1) Publicly conspiring to overthrow the DT system with other users, which would effectively set free thousands of scammers. - theymos has already concluded that "that topic is highly analogous to the English discussions. The main addition is that they're looking to get more local representation in DT1, which is very reasonable."
Theymos is no longer the only the decision maker, that's the whole point of the new system. I strongly disagree with his assesment of your collusion.2) Leaves useless positive ratings to their friends. Where? Show me any.... a straight up lie, Lauda
Yeah, no.3) Possible trust farming. ---> projection Lauda's conscience onto me.
Nope.Got so bad, attempting to strike a balance I had to left a couple of red comments in her profile and build my own DT0 which, currently, looks like as follows
Immature adults reacting as immature adults usually do. I have not expected anything more from you. Quote
HostFat
cryptohunter
shorena
Quickseller
cryptohunter
shorena
Quickseller
January 18, 2019, 02:31:34 PM
TMAN has absolutely not abused his position. He is free to exclude anyone at any time for any reason. Now, if you really want to talk about abuse let's start with this:
realy? so why you buthurt when im and others exclude you ? we are also free to exclude you and your mafia
I agree but the main issue you will have is that all the power was just handed to them because ultimate system controller power for DT resides with earned (cycled gamed undeserved merit)
ask loyce, pharmacist of tman, fox pup, bla bla any of these to provide you with some of their best, insightful and thought provoking posts.... that you would expect such high merit holders to have by the 100's...... and.....
You will get nothing. These fools can not provide any content here except parroting crap they already got spoon fed to spam their sigs.
Most of these low functioning keyboard bullies are mentally deficient and yet seek to show their high merit scores as some kind of guarantee/certificate that they are valuable and can provide great posts here. NO.
Then you present them facts and they shrink away.
Or you ask them for evidence for their claims .... vanish.
January 18, 2019, 02:25:20 PM
Can you list them?
The two moderators and chimk. There was someone else but the name escapes me now (I was thinking Alex_Sr but he seems to be bombarded with exclusions).How does this relate to the number of messages in the locale? Directly connected! Number of posts in Russian locale: 4 095 224 Posts.
Great achivement, you have 3-4 million shitposts. 
January 18, 2019, 02:20:34 PM
TMAN has absolutely not abused his position. He is free to exclude anyone at any time for any reason. Now, if you really want to talk about abuse let's start with this:
realy? so why you buthurt when im and others exclude you ? we are also free to exclude you and your mafia
TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here.
and it realy true
p.s
each sensible user should immediately remove default trust and make own list
January 18, 2019, 02:15:10 PM
What does this have to do with the number of posts or users? Trust system should be based on users whose judgement can be trusted. It doesn't make any sense to link that to user counts or post counts. It often takes years for one to earn such trust.
By my count you have three or four DT2 members. I have re-added chimk who got excluded earlier and I believe he would make a good DT member and seems to be willing to learn how things work.
By my count you have three or four DT2 members. I have re-added chimk who got excluded earlier and I believe he would make a good DT member and seems to be willing to learn how things work.
If you carefully read the topic for which I redtrusted TMAN - you would see how acute the problem is the lack of users able to leave colored reviews in the trust. I'm not talking about a personal trust that takes years to make. I'm talking about the ability to leave color reviews to dozens and hundreds of farm accounts that have bred in our locale.
How does this relate to the number of messages in the locale? Directly connected! Number of posts in Russian locale: 4 095 224 Posts. This is about 10% of all forum posts. You realistically consider that 3-4 users enough to process such number of posts? If the DT2 sheet is now about 300 people, the representation of Russia there should be at least 20-30 people. Less easy to handle. I'm not particularly interested in representation in DT1 but our representation in DT2 requires a serious increase.
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