Topic: To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men (Read 525 times)

Absolutely! But sadly, the members turned it into trust farming and the competition to have green feedback higher than each others.

I don't think it's political, I have no interest in gaining any benefit. This is political, this is what I think about it.

Theymos and his "ideals" makes me think if he really means what he says or they are quotes taken out of some books. In a closed system where the "community" has no votes to cast, political battle doesn't make sense. Of course unless he meant a "local political battle" where DT members fight each other while people laugh?

It doesn't matter though, whether you say what kind of person you are or not, people judge you by your actions, just like OP who fights against injustice but fails to notice his own action.

This forum is a reflection of our societies, if ordinarily we were confused about the dirty politicians tricks and how things work behind the scenes, here we can see it in action.
#lead with example_lol

This reminded me of theymos' post when he introduced the DefaultTrust changes:

In a sense that is an anonymous place how can you be sure about friendship until having a one-on-one conversation and a good meal, reputation is not a concept that anyone can conclude by himself by the actions and journey of a person the fellows decide it. We can easily say that nothing's personal but where you spend your time and build your reputation with the fellows a third person starts accusing nonsense it automatically tigers the emotion.

Everyone considers his priorities, and WIT is better at controlling the expectations of others. Live in peace  .


Hmm, in the locality it might be possible, as I've got some good friends on this forum as well, At the same time you cant compare the bond with those who are in your memories and who gave plenty of time, and a significant part of your daily life. Better to know the difference between a fellow & friend .. (Six characters but an immense difference).

Permit me to drag this a little as I view it as a misconception.

Friendship is a context that denotes affection or/and a relationship, this doesn't necessarily have to be physical. What you are trying to explain is a physical friendship, but it's more than that, and once there is a connection and communication, the deal is done.

Mind you, friendship could be deceptive or genuine be it physical or virtual, and for friendship to start virtually (like in this forum) doesn't mean it has not advanced physically, you can't investigate everyone on this. I know of many from my local board that are now bonding physically, you never can tell the power of forums.

Even if they do not see doesn't mean they cannot virtually form a strong bond and alliance.

Alright, since this topic is about something else, I will make it short, trust is based on risk assessment, first you measure  " how much this person has to lose if he runs with my money"? If he can earn $1m in a year by honest work, you could trust him with $1m, if you trust him with $2m, then you are fine with trusting "services" with usual amounts such as $200, $1000, since it shows you never had 2m to begin with.

That's monetary trust, while there is another form called trusting the judgement of a person, and from what OP is complaining about, it appears he has found out that you can rarely trust someone's judgements around here, because they only care about themselves and not what is right.

But yeah, haha hah fits the situation when all you know about trust is based on your forum experience, you have a lot to learn.

Bottom line, you can't find more than 10 people with good judgement calls here, and 10 is a generous estimation.

Ha-ha, glad I wasn't the only one who felt all he said was completely unnecessary, and coupled with the fact that he is even one hundred percent wrong about trust.

for the records, it is completely possible to trust people we know nothing about, based on feedback from other people or users who have done some kind of transaction with the said person before. and its not out of place or a crime to do so. An example is the services offered on this forum by the supposed users we know nothing about, we read their service page, get interested, then proceed to checking the trust score and feedbacks from other users, then find the user worthy, then we trust the user immediately and send money for to him or her for a service they have not delivered to us, but we do this because we trust that him or her will deliver.

That is trust.

So after I checked one of your trust feedbacks left on "Jolly good boy" 😂, can you tell me what is the difference between you and her kind? Is it really not a sin to hold people's reputation hostage for something they have done in the past, in your opinion? I'm telling this because it seems you have been touched by the grace of God, and understand wrong and right.

It's not that he/she deserves defending, I'm more interested to know why did you act like "them"?
If you knew "Lauda" (known manipulator, obsessed with trust system, abuser) you could realize how they share some uncanny characteristics, share the same ideology and morale standards. 

I'm just saying this because I see your potentials of being a good DT, I have tried to do the same for some of them in the past but I realized they  can't be saved so I stopped.

That is debatable. Yes, trust can be a bit tricky on the internet, but it is not entirely nonexistent. You may not know someone personally, but you can still trust some individuals or websites based on their reputation. For example, when you shop on a well-known and reputable online store, you trust that they will deliver your order as expected. Similarly, you trust your online bank that they have a secure website and provide encryption for your data, and that they will keep your data safe. Also, when you read reviews or recommendations from people on social media or review sites, you are placing some trust in their opinions to make informed decisions, even though they are just some "random anonymous individuals". So, yeah! Trust is still very much a part of the online world.

No idea why you needed to post so many unnecessary and borderline incoherent words about this... sig campaign quota I guess.

Check the dictionary. Reputation - as in the name of this board - and/or trustworthiness is typically based on the opinion of others, not something a person declares/proclaims about themselves.

I always wondered, how animals hear us? Can they hear the words coming out of our mouth? I suppose some people are like that, they can't really understand.

It doesn't matter what others "think" of you, when they trust you with millions, you can say they trust you, but on the internet there is no such a thing as trust, only idiots trust random anonymous individuals.

What's with the "look at me I'm such a great person" threads lately...

Reputation used to be a thing that you earn, and let others decide how reputable/trustworthy they think you are. This political campaign style nonsense is seriously cringy.

Anyone who ever own any social media account probably have this weird virtual online ''friends'', so there is nothing special with bitcointalk friends and enemies.
I simply like and share the same ideas and points of view with certain members, and and the other side I don't agree with few other members so I ignore them.
I am doing the same thing in real life btw, and I don't need to know everything about everybody.

This topic won't help you with this, and you can't exactly disallow everyone to PM you.

Unfortunately in lobbying the other side assumes that you are his friend and for a friend you can take any step. I faced this problem many times. Long ago I used to be with a long term signature campaign, I was with them for long time, automatically they thought anything they will ask will be accepted. So they asked for unfair advantages to defend their brand several times, I tried to ignore but at some point I had to reply that I will inspect the case and only response with fair judgement. They did not like it of course.

I don't prefer lobbying and get biased. As long as any argument is fair and clear I have no problem to speak for it even if that seems like it will create a negative impact on my account. I think I have already done that many times.

Yes, you should definitely speak up. Nobody has the authority to dictate what someone should or shouldn't do with trust feedback. It's a personal decision for each user. As for lobbying efforts, I'm open to hearing well-reasoned arguments from both sides.



Respect and congrats to proud dad!

Another misdirection and I get it all the time because of the display name 😉. Those of the members who know me from years, they are not confused but other then them, many members especially who are relatively new always get the impression that the person behind this account is a female. I became a father in 2018 and she is my everything in the world.

Fun fact, I was nominated "miss bitcointalk" by several members so were foxpup and yahoo LOL.

That depends on whether you are single or not,  I don't know if you are female or male, but I can sense you have a cute soul.😉
If anyone bothers you, just give names and I'll kick their behind. Just don't worry too much, 2 days ago I could barely visit any board, so I can say I have missed a lot of topics on this board, the ones which are not part of a cartel signature bots lets call them, they are so busy with their lives, sometimes they spend time to read and intervene if neccessary, so don't expect some knights with shiny armors, some people are afraid to lose their campaign payments, after all many people are actually living off by campaign payments, so they prefer surviving over honor.

Only those who believe in God, would sacrifice their own benefits to defend the oppressed to please God, and God does not abandon such people, these events are a test to prove our worthiness, yes we might lose our jobs/ positions even our lives, but does it really matter when God is with us?

These events might scare the hell out of people, but when you have God on your side, what is there to be afraid of?

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Should I pm you my phone number, just in case anyone bothered you.😉🤭

Edit, anyhow, this post should be considered as my resume for hitting on girls, so if a single young girl is out there, this is me. ( I'm desperate, so a middle aged milf would do the trick as well ) lol

No one yet asked me in PM to remove the feedback I left to them. Of course when a feedback is outdated and I feel its not needed anymore, I will review it or remove it. I am more comfortable to hear of removing a feedback than giving a feedback.

The definition of friend and enemy is different for you and me then. I have good relation with many forum members. But we can not say we are friends to each others. I do not think any of them will be comfortable to share their home address and invite me in their house. I will not.

You have a good point but not all that are good. The good point that you have is the fact that you want no one to PM you to add or remove a feedback which I think some people are abusing trust system on this forum.

But exceptional case can be when you tag someone and the person requested for you to remove a feedback in a way he can even be begging you about it. If you are not the type that leave such negative feedback but some strong people asking you for it to suit their own preference, that is not a good idea by those people at all, people should be left alone to decide what is what for themselves.

The point I think is not good is that you are insinuating that people should not have friend online. As for me I have friends on this forum. But friends are different from friends. I do not trust any friend online because they may want scam and I do not leave room for that, but I have some preference of the ones that we are friends and none can offend me because I am not a fool.

Some of you may grew an idea that I am mad at some specific users or brands. Such as Rollbit, JollyGood, Ratimov and some others. You do not engage in a discussion when I am laud against the wrong of the users or brands because it personally do not or did not effecting you. But when it does then you come to my PM with your requests. It shows you are motivated by personal benefits and you are selfish.

This is an anonymous place. It just does not make sense to have a personal relationship with a person, take their words seriously and react. Here considering someone as friend and enemy are both weird. A friend knows everything about his friend, an enemy does his study based on the physical existence of the person he dislike, at-least he will know your home and office address. You do not know any verified information about me, none of you never saw me. So I am not your friend, nor your enemy.

Bitcoin is everything for me. With my life I believe Bitcoin is the financial freedom against all monopoly of these so called governments who are corrupted. People are the power, not a selected circle. Bitcoin will bring the power back to the people. The forum is the biggest place for bitcoin to receive support which mean this is an important place for bitcoin and it's ecosystem. The well being of the forum is my main concern, not individuals. I work to protect this forum not an individual.

I am not motivated by personal benefits too, I am not influenced by any earning from the forum. Yes, it does give me some stash but I do not work for it. It comes automatically because the managers think I deserve it. If no managers want me in their campaigns so be it. I am not here to earn the bread and butter.

Here is the reason of this thread: Please do not PM me and ask favor to add/remove a specific user or to leave a feedback because something effected you personally. I have no interest in personal conflicts, if a matter is important for forum well being as a whole then you are most welcome. I will speak up.

The title is relevant.