Topic: [To Theymos] Why was Goat banned? - page 2. (Read 11806 times)

When the hell did I say it was going to be a little utopian society? It's no wonder people are getting banned from here if they're losing their temper with people like you who have the balls to quote someone and completely lie about what they're saying at the same time.

One more pathetic argument...

Let's me understand:

You argue that administrators which ban users are trying to "fashion their own little utopian societies", but at the same time you are inviting users to join your new "little utopian societies" forum?

 

if there would be no control bitcointalk would be to 75% of spammers, scammers and trolls. Im sry some ppl think if they have "freedom" they can du every shit they want.

Why put an ignore function in the forum if all you're going to do is ban/delete people you have a problem with? Use the ignore function and everyones happy, who cares if someone posts something stupid? It happens all the time, I've said stupid things before that I kick myself for when I read back on it but I think when we just ban people we disagree with or who have legitimate criticism all we do is just wreck communities. I've seen it happen again and again wherever I go often the thing that kills communities isn't what people complain about, it's when admins try to fashion their own little utopian societies through force.

I'm shamelessly going to plug my website here, but you guys are more than welcome join up on my forum, you can post right away after you join and there's even a chat room I've set up that I've posted the link to, it'll practically be anarchy and I'll be sure to make sure the ignore/block functions work everywhere so you don't have to put up with any nuisance. My only plan regarding it is to ban virus posters and bot spammers.

Read through this entire thread and could not be happier. I remember during the summer when I first signed up here with some spare cash and thousands of ideas. The concept of bitcoin was appealing, imagine a one world currency! Stuff like this had been predicted years ago and now bitcoin was to bring it to life or at least initiate the chain that would (no pun). What I met, however, were narcissists. They attacked me vehemently for making mistakes that could rightfully be contributed to my noobness at this novel concept. I was called a scammer, accused of mulch-accounting, questioned on every aspect. Patronized for not wanting to give my identity information to absolute strangers. If I hadn't had the patience to stay a little longer and listen to the advice of a few good members; I would have done what anyone that has a bad experience with a denomination of a larger community does: I would have become prejudiced and attributed the unappealing attributes I encountered in everyone the first few days of my stay to the entire bitcoin community. I had chosen to wait though and continue building my trust and business in the bitcoin world, and even today some of these people follow me on my threads and post absolute nonsense. Stupid memes, that attribute nothing. If I don't want to deal with someone they come to my thread and call me a scammer. LET THIS COME TO AN END. It doesn't matter that I send back evidence and proof of my prior transactions, these people are just too full of themselves. So I am happy a change is coming to bitcointalk.

You do this to nearly all of my threads. So I find this highly hypocritical.

This is a private forum. There is no such thing of "community". Theymos was not elected, he was appointed. Therefore, he is entitled to ban whoever he deem necessary to protect his position and the private matters of this board. If you cannot cope with such harsh reality, here is not an appropriate place to you. You are free to leave at any time. But if you are willing to participate in this board, you have to abide with the rules and with who rules.


Oh, how pathetic... You admit to break certain rules but you cannot cope with rules being enforced by the administrator?

I doubt you will be banned for a concise, clear argument like that.  How do you know the "attack" on theymos was not in fact a show?  We know about goat's gimmicks.  Is it so hard to believe that he *knew* he was going down soon for his bad behavior and decided to make as big a show as possible?

His signature certainly screams sensationalism.

I'm not the biggest fan of Goat. Personally I think he's an idiot. Running a PPT should have earned anyone involved a scammer tag.

However, this move to censor him, as many others have said, is worrying.

The justification for his being banned can't be argued with. Anyone who looks through his post history will concur with the fact that he contributed nothing of substance, and was occasionally even a disruptive influence.

It is disturbing to me that this problem came to a head as soon as he criticized Theymos and his private business activities. It feels like his general idiocy has been used as a convenient excuse to ban him. It's very easy to get rid of someone who has an indefensible character, but we should think about the true motives for this action.

The same story applies with Rarity. Rarity was a longstanding troll who was here purely to have some fun, sometimes at the expense of more genuine users. I doubt the person in control of that forum account has ever even owned a Bitcoin. I doubt anyone could come up with a compelling reason why Rarity should not have been banned. The problem is that Rarity was allowed to troll the forum for many months until he directly criticized Theymos. Suddenly trolling which had been previously tolerated became a huge problem, in the same way that Goat's longstanding idiocy and inept investment schemes had been tolerated until he criticized Theymos.

Goat's gibberish was completely invisible to anyone who hit the ignore button. This is how he should have been dealt with. This is how countless users did deal with him. Now he has been censored completely and we should ask ourselves not if we miss him, because we don't, but why he was censored. I for one don't agree with the party line on this subject.

Bitcoin is  a great way to avoid economic control from a higher authority. It's a shame that a more laizzez-faire attitude is not taken to forum moderation too.

This forum is important to the Bitcoin community. It does not belong to Theymos, he is merely the caretaker. He did not create it, he does not own it, it was entrusted to him for the good of the community. He should be held accountable for his actions, for the good of the community. If he continues to impose an iron rule on those who criticize his private business activities, he should be ousted. For the good of the community.

To just allow this to stand is to risk damaging Bitcoin.

And I am sure I will be banned for this post, and I am sure that my past posting history will be used as an ad hominem attack on what I am saying. Yes, I have had some fun on this forum. It has occasionally been at the expense of others. But I believe in Bitcoin. I want it to succeed for both personal and political reasons, and I know that if Theymos and his cabal are allowed to dominate the discourse in by far the largest Bitcoin community then it is bad for Bitcoin. It is also bad for freedom.

He's GOAT.  On a sunken boat.

i was already wondering why goat is no longer spaming trash around ^^ well done

+1

And the first two members: smoothie and goat.

Who ever comes out alive becomes time out forum mod.

Ooh timeout sub forum lol

I think the ban went overboard.  I propose adding a new subforum for users to go into time-out.

Repeatedly, in public and in private. Sometimes puppies just don't want to learn no matter how many times you rub their noses in their own mess.

was he ever warned

Can we also give people who do this a "flounce" tag?

Genius.  I'm 100% for the above remark.  Then if you want to beg to come back you need a "whiner" tag for a little while you have to work off! 

Saying in a serious way that you are leaving should be autoban because either 1. You were leaving anyway 2. You are trolling.

No downside to anyone and might eliminate troll.

It's not the swan song explaining their decision to leave... that much is valuable and speaks to issues that the community as a whole should consider. It's when they swan song and then keep hanging around and trying to find great examples to justify their position and throw taunts out about why they left. That's just wasted effort. They haven't left and have done nothing to advance the agenda they were trying to advance by leaving.