Okay, this thread has gone on long enough. There are no actual posters in this thread, just trolls.
I am tired of getting this thread reported to multiple times a day.
It is now locked.
Topic: To those buying 5830's for resale (Read 5879 times)
Angelus, to me at least, seems to stick to posting fact or math based information, which can only lead to everyone making better decisions, and yet everyone here seems to think he's a troll because the conclusions he comes to, based on empirical data, are not in line with everyone's expectations. The post of Angelus have been useful to me several times. If anything, the people attacking him without discrediting any of his arguments are the trolls.
$160 for a 5830 isn't near as bad as the greedy people that want $300+ for a 5870
You really cheapen the meaning of troll by throwing it around at anyone who disagrees with you.
Go ahead, think that we're still in a manic bubble -- I'll stay over here in reality, thanks. You buy that 5830 for $160, and I'll buy it off you for $70 in a few weeks.
Go ahead, think that we're still in a manic bubble -- I'll stay over here in reality, thanks. You buy that 5830 for $160, and I'll buy it off you for $70 in a few weeks.
You are definitely a troll.
Who's the bigger troll, the guy who starts a "troll thread" or the guy who comes along and trolls it? Yes, paying $50 or $60 more for the card will mean paying it off later, or never as in the case of the casual miner who loses interest. No, there's nothing wrong with reselling the cards for whatever people will pay, as long as you're not misrepresenting the product. Yes, it's probably debatable whether 300 Mhash is a reasonable expectation, although 320 is easily possible with at least some cards. And no, the 5830 doesn't have the best power efficiency of cards in its price range, although it's hard to beat in that price range for Mhash per dollar spent.
At the risk of being thrown onto the spit to roast with the OP, I thought it was a good post.
With so much talk about the scarcity and great value of the 5830, it can be easy for one to get carried away and jump on any one that comes along. Now there's more information out there.
With so much talk about the scarcity and great value of the 5830, it can be easy for one to get carried away and jump on any one that comes along. Now there's more information out there.
$170, probably not. $109/$100/$125/$85, troll-proof.
Just beat them with data! Put up some nice graphs + calculations and let everyone make up their own mind, if a 5830 @ 170USD is really worth it (hint: It isn't!).
Star Trek FTW! 
Ok...8 days...4 days....1 day...constant difficulty increase!
Still, troll, what's the exchange rate? What's the pool like? Are you mining bitcoin? Are you mining namecoin? Are you mining newcoin? Are you playing COD4 on awesome?
A card is still worth a card, troll.
Still, troll, what's the exchange rate? What's the pool like? Are you mining bitcoin? Are you mining namecoin? Are you mining newcoin? Are you playing COD4 on awesome?
A card is still worth a card, troll.
I know you are but what am I
What are we, in 3rd grade?
Of course, you were probably in 3rd grade when Call of Duty was first released...
OH SNAP!
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Ok...8 days...4 days....1 day...constant difficulty increase!
Still, troll, what's the exchange rate? What's the pool like? Are you mining bitcoin? Are you mining namecoin? Are you mining newcoin? Are you playing COD4 on awesome?
A card is still worth a card, troll.
Still, troll, what's the exchange rate? What's the pool like? Are you mining bitcoin? Are you mining namecoin? Are you mining newcoin? Are you playing COD4 on awesome?
A card is still worth a card, troll.
I know you are but what am I
What are we, in 3rd grade?
Of course, you were probably in 3rd grade when Call of Duty was first released...
Ok...8 days...4 days....1 day...constant difficulty increase!
Still, troll, what's the exchange rate? What's the pool like? Are you mining bitcoin? Are you mining namecoin? Are you mining newcoin? Are you playing COD4 on awesome?
A card is still worth a card, troll.
Still, troll, what's the exchange rate? What's the pool like? Are you mining bitcoin? Are you mining namecoin? Are you mining newcoin? Are you playing COD4 on awesome?
A card is still worth a card, troll.
I know you are but what am I
What are we, in 3rd grade?
Of course, you were probably in 3rd grade when Call of Duty was first released...
I love theorycrafting when people project profitability months ahead based on a fixed BTC value. If you're going to get all goofy and assign it a fixed value, why not $50 or $83.26 per BTC? Difficulty can be predicted, with a fair degree of certainty. Exchange rates can not.
A 30 day average is a good starting point. BTC is still sold and bought even if Mt. Gox is down.
I don't understand why so many people fail to realize this.
Go to bitcoincharts.com and see that thousands of bitcoins are still being traded in other places.
Ok...8 days...4 days....1 day...constant difficulty increase!
Still, troll, what's the exchange rate? What's the pool like? Are you mining bitcoin? Are you mining namecoin? Are you mining newcoin? Are you playing COD4 on awesome?
A card is still worth a card, troll.
Still, troll, what's the exchange rate? What's the pool like? Are you mining bitcoin? Are you mining namecoin? Are you mining newcoin? Are you playing COD4 on awesome?
A card is still worth a card, troll.
Those are for arguments sake. In reality, expect difficulty rises at least every 14 days or more often.
Try 8 days -- that's been the reality for some time now...
I love theorycrafting when people project profitability months ahead based on a fixed BTC value. If you're going to get all goofy and assign it a fixed value, why not $50 or $83.26 per BTC? Difficulty can be predicted, with a fair degree of certainty. Exchange rates can not.
Yeah, I think the troll started this thread in response to yours, and his mom buying back the cards he was selling for a large loss.
If you review some of this guys posts, all he posts is negative trolling comments. I really think this guy may just be a pimple faced nerd trying to feel big on the internet.
Anyway I'm one of his victims where he trashed my thread not only with his trolling, but ignorance as well.
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=19643.0
When you want to sell a car for $3000 your always going to list it for more, same concept here. I never expected $160, I stated anyone can make a offer.
I really need some of this...
http://www.idratherbecrawling.ca/pics/TrollSprayBillyMays.jpg
Anyway I'm one of his victims where he trashed my thread not only with his trolling, but ignorance as well.
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=19643.0
When you want to sell a car for $3000 your always going to list it for more, same concept here. I never expected $160, I stated anyone can make a offer.
I really need some of this...
http://www.idratherbecrawling.ca/pics/TrollSprayBillyMays.jpg
I covered the issue of difficulty in that post, even taking in account the profit at 1.5m and 2m.
Also, $5.10 per day is still $153 per month. At the next difficulty level the user will create about $122 worth of bitcoins per month, and even at 1.5m about $100 dollars per month.
Those are for arguments sake. In reality, expect difficulty rises at least every 14 days or more often. This could change though if difficulty rises too high.
I'd say 3 million is already too high at current prices because it will make mining unprofitable for nearly every casual miner, even those who freeload electricity.
Also, $5.10 per day is still $153 per month. At the next difficulty level the user will create about $122 worth of bitcoins per month, and even at 1.5m about $100 dollars per month.
Those are for arguments sake. In reality, expect difficulty rises at least every 14 days or more often. This could change though if difficulty rises too high.
I'd say 3 million is already too high at current prices because it will make mining unprofitable for nearly every casual miner, even those who freeload electricity.
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