Topic: Today it is Greece. Tomorrow it can be you. - page 2. (Read 4079 times)
Just think - you are living in Greece in small island, there are exactly 50 people and two shops in this island. How can you spend your BTC there ? Even post is delivered may be two times a week
I'm thinking that this shouldn't be a discussion of who we are going to blame for Greece. As I've recently stated in a thread, a lot of countries went bankrupt in the last 50-60 years (making an average more than 1 country per year). I guess we could be looking for people on a individual basis, but everyone is to blame. People who elect, people who rule, people who ignore, who evade taxes and such.
However, this is just the result of the Banking Oligarchy and their control. This is why we need Bitcoin, and I still do not understand how people do not recognize the benefit of Bitcoin.
I have read somewhere that the cut might be 30 percent for everyone who has over 8,000 euros. This is a lot of hard earned money that is going to vanish. Without Bitcoin you don't really control your assets. The Banking Oligarchy does.
That's just the kind of simple minded statement I really hate. The world doesn't become a happy place, just because people use Bitcoin.However, this is just the result of the Banking Oligarchy and their control. This is why we need Bitcoin, and I still do not understand how people do not recognize the benefit of Bitcoin.
I have read somewhere that the cut might be 30 percent for everyone who has over 8,000 euros. This is a lot of hard earned money that is going to vanish. Without Bitcoin you don't really control your assets. The Banking Oligarchy does.
In this case: Greece doesn't get a working economy, just because they use Bitcoin.
I'm thinking that this shouldn't be a discussion of who we are going to blame for Greece. As I've recently stated in a thread, a lot of countries went bankrupt in the last 50-60 years (making an average more than 1 country per year). I guess we could be looking for people on a individual basis, but everyone is to blame. People who elect, people who rule, people who ignore, who evade taxes and such.
However, this is just the result of the Banking Oligarchy and their control. This is why we need Bitcoin, and I still do not understand how people do not recognize the benefit of Bitcoin.
I have read somewhere that the cut might be 30 percent for everyone who has over 8,000 euros. This is a lot of hard earned money that is going to vanish. Without Bitcoin you don't really control your assets. The Banking Oligarchy does.
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However, this is just the result of the Banking Oligarchy and their control. This is why we need Bitcoin, and I still do not understand how people do not recognize the benefit of Bitcoin.
I have read somewhere that the cut might be 30 percent for everyone who has over 8,000 euros. This is a lot of hard earned money that is going to vanish. Without Bitcoin you don't really control your assets. The Banking Oligarchy does.
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Stop twisting my words. Your statement is not even related to mine. I never said such a thing. 
No wonder they not pass legislation all around europe ,that starts to ban cash, you can only pay now with credit/debit cards.
So all pensions, salaries, subsidies, or any other form of income will go to your bank not your hand.
And the banks will start imposing -1% interest rates, so say goodbye to your money.
So all pensions, salaries, subsidies, or any other form of income will go to your bank not your hand.
And the banks will start imposing -1% interest rates, so say goodbye to your money.
I have heard that people aren't allowed to get to their safety deposit boxes.
The US is going down the same path. Preparing us to get ripped off by having the cops rob from people that are carrying "too much cash". If there is a run on banks in the US, I can imaging the cops pulling people over down the street and asking "son, what do have all this cash for?".
The US is going down the same path. Preparing us to get ripped off by having the cops rob from people that are carrying "too much cash". If there is a run on banks in the US, I can imaging the cops pulling people over down the street and asking "son, what do have all this cash for?".
So who is to blame? I did not say their economy was top notch, it was as bad as my personal finance, but I am doing fine, so did Greece. The fact they had to do some fiddling with their bookkeeping to statisfy the EU commission and the banks has never been a secret, everybody knew at the time and everybody knew how bad it really was, nobody cared and accepted it, nobody checked the books. The banks have made big profits out of it and got away with a big bonus paid by the EU tax payers.
They cooked their books and everybody stood by and let it happen, laughed when they shaked hands on joining in with the big sharks, now they are shred to pieces and if not enough they get pissed all over by the same sharks and a big propaganda machine is at work to blame the greek people, turning away the blame from the real culprits which are the big banks and companies that have profited from the fall and bankrupcy of a whole country.
Everybody involved is to blame, not just the banks and that also include the people, who were just happily evading taxes, not caring, what will happen in the near future. Saying, it is not my fault, banks/politicians are bad and than acting to make it worse, because I can't do anything about it anyways, doesn't release me from any responsibility.They cooked their books and everybody stood by and let it happen, laughed when they shaked hands on joining in with the big sharks, now they are shred to pieces and if not enough they get pissed all over by the same sharks and a big propaganda machine is at work to blame the greek people, turning away the blame from the real culprits which are the big banks and companies that have profited from the fall and bankrupcy of a whole country.
What makes me angry the most, is that the ones, who it will/has hit the hardest(the younger generation) are not the same as the ones(the older generation) who benefited for a short time from driving it down the cliff.
And that's also, why I am saying, that they were not doing fine, before joining the EU, they were just postponing their problems(like most countries do). It would have hit the younger generation, also without the EU, maybe not that hard, but it would have hurt.
So who is to blame? I did not say their economy was top notch, it was as bad as my personal finance, but I am doing fine, so did Greece. The fact they had to do some fiddling with their bookkeeping to statisfy the EU commission and the banks has never been a secret, everybody knew at the time and everybody knew how bad it really was, nobody cared and accepted it, nobody checked the books. The banks have made big profits out of it and got away with a big bonus paid by the EU tax payers.
They cooked their books and everybody stood by and let it happen, laughed when they shaked hands on joining in with the big sharks, now they are shred to pieces and if not enough they get pissed all over by the same sharks and a big propaganda machine is at work to blame the greek people, turning away the blame from the real culprits which are the big banks and companies that have profited from the fall and bankrupcy of a whole country.
They cooked their books and everybody stood by and let it happen, laughed when they shaked hands on joining in with the big sharks, now they are shred to pieces and if not enough they get pissed all over by the same sharks and a big propaganda machine is at work to blame the greek people, turning away the blame from the real culprits which are the big banks and companies that have profited from the fall and bankrupcy of a whole country.
Sorry, but what a BS. Nothing worked in Greece, before and after they joined the EU. They had problems long before they joined the EU, they were just hiding them better. Seriously, they don't have any economy besides some tourism. How is that supposed to work?
And no, I don't want to defend the Banks, but saying you can't blame the Greek people at all, is just a big pile of bullshit.
And no, I don't want to defend the Banks, but saying you can't blame the Greek people at all, is just a big pile of bullshit.
What is the BS? They have so much more than just the tourism, they have export. It is not a big economy, it is a small part of the whole EU, they did not bring much, they did not need much, they had enough to go arround in Greece itself, but when up with the big boys and their bubble economies it all tumbled down, there is no BS in that.
When Greece joined the Eurozone, they cooked their books. I thought that is common knowledge. Here some random news article about that:
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/united-kingdom/eu-knew-greece-cooked-its-books-when-it-joined-eurozone-243927.html
They did not have a healthy economy. I have no idea, why you are denying that.
Tomorrow it's the rest of the PIIGS countries. Then the rest of the world, pretty much.
your only way to exit from this, would be to buy thing with your credit card there in greece, and then sell those thing for bitcoin abroad
i'm assuming that your credit/debit card cannot work outside of greece right?
my cards cannot work outside greece that's right, i can't use paypal or even paysafecard...That's a good idea i could buy some things here and sell them for bitcoini'm assuming that your credit/debit card cannot work outside of greece right?
I dont know if you are connected with travel/tourism. But, AFAIK, that is the biggest industry in Greece. So, those who are connected, may want to accept bitcoin instead of other currency. This way, bitcoin liquidity will steadily rise inside Greece and it will be accessible to more people who can not move their money out.
your only way to exit from this, would be to buy thing with your credit card there in greece, and then sell those thing for bitcoin abroad
i'm assuming that your credit/debit card cannot work outside of greece right?
my cards cannot work outside greece that's right, i can't use paypal or even paysafecard...That's a good idea i could buy some things here and sell them for bitcoin i'm assuming that your credit/debit card cannot work outside of greece right?
Hello people. i read recently that bitcoin is being trend in Greece and it's true. our banks are closed and we can only withdraw 60eur/day so its impossible to spend these 60 to buy bitcoins. i have all my savings in banks. e-banking and mobile banking works and we can send money only within Greece. So is there any way to buy bitcoins or we are trapped. I do not want to see all my savings being reduced by 30% or more. i was working all my life for that. I really do want to start with bit coins i started getting educated about it but how can i start? i hope it's not too late.
your only way to exit from this, would be to buy things with your credit card there in greece, and then sell those thing for bitcoin abroad
i'm assuming that your credit/debit card cannot work outside of greece right?
Hello people. i read recently that bitcoin is being trend in Greece and it's true. our banks are closed and we can only withdraw 60eur/day so its impossible to spend these 60 to buy bitcoins. i have all my savings in banks. e-banking and mobile banking works and we can send money only within Greece. So is there any way to buy bitcoins or we are trapped. I do not want to see all my savings being reduced by 30% or more. i was working all my life for that. I really do want to start with bit coins i started getting educated about it but how can i start? i hope it's not too late.
If you can't get your money out of the banks then how can you buy anything, let alone Bitcoin?
Sorry but you should of seen this coming years ago. I won't preach now, it's too late however. If you are legit I suggest you get as much money as you can out of the banking system and buy precious metals which no one in Europe can stop you from doing. One benefit of being part of EU is you can move over borders still. That's all you can do, get your money and buy gold or something with intrinsic value like collectables, antiques, classic cars etc. even property in the long term will be safe in years and decades to come. If you hold gold now you could actually have some great opportunities for buying property etc later.
Like I said, no one can help you get your money out of banks, I would research Cyprus to see what might happen.
Hello people. i read recently that bitcoin is being trend in Greece and it's true. our banks are closed and we can only withdraw 60eur/day so its impossible to spend these 60 to buy bitcoins. i have all my savings in banks. e-banking and mobile banking works and we can send money only within Greece. So is there any way to buy bitcoins or we are trapped. I do not want to see all my savings being reduced by 30% or more. i was working all my life for that. I really do want to start with bit coins i started getting educated about it but how can i start? i hope it's not too late.
If you can't get your money out of the banks then how can you buy anything, let alone Bitcoin?
Sorry but you should of seen this coming years ago. I won't preach now, it's too late however. If you are legit I suggest you get as much money as you can out of the banking system and buy precious metals which no one in Europe can stop you from doing. One benefit of being part of EU is you can move over borders still. That's all you can do, get your money and buy gold or something with intrinsic value like collectables, antiques, classic cars etc. even property in the long term will be safe in years and decades to come. If you hold gold now you could actually have some great opportunities for buying property etc later.
Like I said, no one can help you get your money out of banks, I would research Cyprus to see what might happen.
Hello people. i read recently that bitcoin is being trend in Greece and it's true. our banks are closed and we can only withdraw 60eur/day so its impossible to spend these 60 to buy bitcoins. i have all my savings in banks. e-banking and mobile banking works and we can send money only within Greece. So is there any way to buy bitcoins or we are trapped. I do not want to see all my savings being reduced by 30% or more. i was working all my life for that. I really do want to start with bit coins i started getting educated about it but how can i start? i hope it's not too late.
It will be Italy most likely
My biggest bets are Spain, Italy, Portugal.. and there are tons of poor European countries like Romania that I have no idea how they are doing OK and not struggling as well.
It's a bit overrated how Bitcoin can save Greece.
They don't have acess to their money, how they can even buy Bitcoin?
They don't have acess to their money, how they can even buy Bitcoin?
This is great for bitcoin, it's saving the unbanked like Greece, everyone in Greece should be jumping for bitcoin since their banks are down. I hope this can happen in all the developing countries in the world not just Greece.
People need to stop posting this guys photo like this.
1.) I see a distraught man...because, well...that's what the camera man is telling me to see.
2.) Is he distraught because of the economic situation? Because he waited in line for the ATM all morning and was next when it ran out of money? Because his tummy hurts?
The point is, nobody has any idea why this guy is sitting on the ground like an upset child. In New York City I see this shit every day...and there's no bank crisis here...yet.
Even more so than this...how about having some fucking DECENCY people? Why in the FUCK would anyone want to take a photo of someone elses misery and continually post it on the internet for everyone to see? Whatever the reason for the upset?
I'll tell you why...to prove your "point". To cause shock and awe. To fill an agenda or promote an idea.
I have an idea OP: Get some fucking class.
1.) I see a distraught man...because, well...that's what the camera man is telling me to see.
2.) Is he distraught because of the economic situation? Because he waited in line for the ATM all morning and was next when it ran out of money? Because his tummy hurts?
The point is, nobody has any idea why this guy is sitting on the ground like an upset child. In New York City I see this shit every day...and there's no bank crisis here...yet.
Even more so than this...how about having some fucking DECENCY people? Why in the FUCK would anyone want to take a photo of someone elses misery and continually post it on the internet for everyone to see? Whatever the reason for the upset?
I'll tell you why...to prove your "point". To cause shock and awe. To fill an agenda or promote an idea.
I have an idea OP: Get some fucking class.
Sorry, but what a BS. Nothing worked in Greece, before and after they joined the EU. They had problems long before they joined the EU, they were just hiding them better. Seriously, they don't have any economy besides some tourism. How is that supposed to work?
And no, I don't want to defend the Banks, but saying you can't blame the Greek people at all, is just a big pile of bullshit.
And no, I don't want to defend the Banks, but saying you can't blame the Greek people at all, is just a big pile of bullshit.
What is the BS? They have so much more than just the tourism, they have export. It is not a big economy, it is a small part of the whole EU, they did not bring much, they did not need much, they had enough to go arround in Greece itself, but when up with the big boys and their bubble economies it all tumbled down, there is no BS in that.
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