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Topic: Tone Vays has won me over: There is Bitcoin...and shitcoins. - page 2. (Read 586 times)

legendary
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Bitcoin will always be the "Elite's Coin"  Wink  

FTFY,

Most people can't afford $100 per transaction fees that onchain bitcoin is headed toward.
Very few , even in the US can afford ½ bitcoin, and forget the majority of the rest of the world.
Bitcoin costs too much for the average man to mess with, that ship sailed years ago.




Hey, 100 USD fees for transaction?
This is not true
I use alts to transfer money, but BTC is evolving, with lightning network and future technologies, we won't spend 100 USD per transaction
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Bitcoin will always be the "Elite's Coin"  Wink  

FTFY,

Most people can't afford $100 per transaction fees that onchain bitcoin is headed toward.
Very few , even in the US can afford ½ bitcoin, and forget the majority of the rest of the world.
Bitcoin costs too much for the average man to mess with, that ship sailed years ago.


legendary
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The Bitcoin and shitcoins thinking has been around since the early stages but gained popularity especially during the current bullish market. Indeed, unlike in 2017, Bitcoin's success is currently not associated with the growth of altcoin market at all, and BTC dominance is very high.
But I still believe that some coins deserve attention. IOTA with DAG is still not appreciated enough, and Ethereum's smart contracts are important, even though kit particularly user-friendly yet. As for the majority of the market - yeah, it's just trash.
legendary
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Tone Vays does seem to be the few of the crypto OG holders which seem to know what he is talking about.
And yeah. I dont think a lot of people want to hold cardano.
It doesnt have a mainstream use case for anyone to hold on to it for the long term unfortunately. Embarrassed
legendary
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You couldn't generalize, ETH for example, it's a solid altcoin, with fundamentals and real world usage
XMR is another example
And you can add some coins, but it's up to you to find what coins have future and worth you money

The nature of the coin doesn't really matter, though solid is obviously better than shit.

The only thing that decides its value is the zombies pumping or dumping it. Most won't know or care how 'good' something is. They're the ones who make or break it, not the developers.

I think in a long term, this pump and dumping doesn't matter
With solid coins you have institutional money into, not only money of people
Again I will repeat, you could not generalize
legendary
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When I started there were only a few Alt coins to chose from like LiteCoin and DogeCoin …. but everyone knew none of them will ever be the next Bitcoin. This belief become stronger as we went through a plethora of Alt coins being added over the years and also several "hostile" takeover attempts with all these forked coins.

In future things might change and some other coin might get massive support from governments and Banks or some huge social media platform like Facebook, but it will never be the same if they are centralized and controlled by a single entity. Bitcoin will always be the "People's Coin"  Wink  
legendary
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You couldn't generalize, ETH for example, it's a solid altcoin, with fundamentals and real world usage
XMR is another example
And you can add some coins, but it's up to you to find what coins have future and worth you money

The nature of the coin doesn't really matter, though solid is obviously better than shit.

The only thing that decides its value is the zombies pumping or dumping it. Most won't know or care how 'good' something is. They're the ones who make or break it, not the developers.

Innovative coins like Peercoin are now dead as a door nail purely because the excitement ran off elsewhere.
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If you actually used bitcoin to pay, you notice it takes so fucking long ,
that many time the merchant acceptance timer for the agreed upon number of bitcoin comes close to running out.
But since you only buy and hold , you don't know shit.

Wrong, few merchant (such as BitRefill) and payment processor, depending on configuration) accept 0-conf as long as your fee isn't too low or/and transaction amount isn't too big.

P.S. i'm not talking about Lightning Network, but Bitcoin on-chain transaction.


You know nothing on this matter, Pay Mega with your slow bitcoin , and you see what I am talking about.

legendary
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You couldn't generalize, ETH for example, it's a solid altcoin, with fundamentals and real world usage
XMR is another example
And you can add some coins, but it's up to you to find what coins have future and worth you money
legendary
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It's always been Bitcoin/Shitcoin but that doesn't preclude making vast amounts of money from them.

The key is always remaining aware of what they truly are and not falling in love with them. If you can treat them completely unemotionally then you'll do well.

Mr Vays is as emotional about them as the most brain dead XRP shill. Both have let gains pass them by because of it.

I'm dead curious to see what the next alt bubble looks like. It certainly won't resemble the last one but there definitely will be a type of one.
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Perhaps it’s the absolute slaughter of altcoins. But I feel like we were all blinded in 2017. I have 20,000 Cardano, and all I see it do is lose Satoshi value. I feel like I’ve had enough!!

I mean seriously. What is Cardano? It does nothing. Nobody uses it. It’s one of about a dozen protocols that will probably never be used and never be wanted.

I’m 85% bitcoin. I’m about to make that 100%. Everyone loves Cardano...really? Why! It’s just another shitcoin. They are all shitcoins!!

Each and every altcoin has a different usage behind it.
Cardano is used equally as Bitcoin is used now. The difference is that more people hodl Bitcoin instead of Cardano.
If you don't like it sell it. But you probably bought this alt due to the hype and you thought that you are going to be millionaire. It seems you know nothing about Cardano's vision.

PS. I am not a Cardano hodler...
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legendary
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You think hashrate and energy waste secure the coin ,
and ignore the 4 pool operators behind the curtain that can 51% attack at a moment notice,
due to that criteria , any alt with more than 4 main holders is more secure than bitcoin.
Let that burn into your brain, Hashate and energy waste are useless in securing a coin,
when the miners give a mere 4 pool operators over 51% control on a daily basis.
Because it'd make complete sense for 4 pools to 51% attack the network that's pretty much their businesses' main source of income right? And goodluck getting them to cooperate. Even CZ of Binance couldn't attempt to convince them even with money in offer.

Also, mining pools =/= miners.

And lastly, before you say that mining is centralized: http://i.imgur.com/Ec7vVGq.png

And when forced to use Bitcoin, I ignore the fee and pay the highest , which many others can not.
Otherwise I use litecoin or doge or ZEIT, as their speed and lower fees make them the more sensible economic choices.
If you're stupid enough to unnecessarily pay for a high fee, then you do you. Also, whatever that ZEIT thing is.

If you actually used bitcoin to pay, you notice it takes so fucking long ,
that many time the merchant acceptance timer for the agreed upon number of bitcoin comes close to running out.
But since you only buy and hold , you don't know shit.
If you actually use bitcoin, you notice that it's not actually long, if you pay a decent fee, which is really not that much but a few cents.
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Many have
higher transaction capacity
greater speed
energy efficiency
fixed fees which are more cost effective than LN Hubs
Sure. In exchange of what? Significantly far less security and decentralization, which is one of the most important characteristics of a cryptocurrency.

Fiats or other crypto, their choice.
You think hashrate and energy waste secure the coin ,
and ignore the 4 pool operators behind the curtain that can 51% attack at a moment notice,
due to that criteria , any alt with more than 4 main holders is more secure than bitcoin.
Let that burn into your brain, Hashate and energy waste are useless in securing a coin,
when the miners give a mere 4 pool operators over 51% control on a daily basis.


unsuitable for daily transactions due to excessive fees.
If you actually use bitcoin, you know that that's statement is ultimately false. A very common statement from people who doesn't really use bitcoin. I'd bet you got that criticism from shitcoiners on Reddit.

And you be wrong again, in the rare instance when forced to use bitcoin in my dealings.
I always check the transaction log, to see how slow it will be this week and postpone sending until unconfirms are below 15000.
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/unconfirmed-transactions
And when forced to use Bitcoin, I ignore the fee and pay the highest , which many others can not.
Otherwise I use litecoin or doge or ZEIT, as their speed and lower fees make them the more sensible economic choices.

If you actually used bitcoin to pay, you notice it takes so fucking long ,
that many time the merchant acceptance timer for the agreed upon number of bitcoin comes close to running out.
But since you only buy and hold , you don't know shit.
legendary
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I've made some good profits with alts in the past and turned them into more BTC, and even though today alts are only a few percents of my portfolio, I regret holding them, especially in the light of me always being critical of altcoins starting from more than 1 year ago. I saw it coming - people realizing that altcoins = shitcoins, and still I hodled some, just in case they will rise.
legendary
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altcoins in my view are two categories:
1) the hot ones on top
these are big coins like the top market cap coins and sometimes even small ones. they are completely useless coins that are only hyped up by their owners to be pumped and dumped. they are excellent for making short term profit if you are a day trader and familiar with the altcoin market. you should never bag hold any of them

2) the technologically interesting ones
these are rarely among the top coins and i have not seen any see any major pumps. they usually don't see any interest because they are being overshadowed by those big pumping coins and sometimes because they have some additional issues. they aren't good for investing but they are good to see the blockchain technology used in a different way.
member
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Not all altcoins are shit coins

One of them will replace bitcoin someday better yet, replace fiat.

I will bet my life on it.

You have to be a closed minded fool to think just because it is not bitcoin it is shit, fucking fool and a tool.

You will be one of the morons driving a fred flint stone car, while others have learned to use engines instead of their feet.

Bitcoin Maximalist


Me embracing all crypto, some call me a shit coiner.

legendary
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Tone Vays is a bitcoin maximalist. I would not listen to any investment advice from him. I reckon his partiality fogs his judgement.

In any case, how far the sentiment today is from 2017 hehehe. However, if altcoins begin pumping, are we going to be altcoin maximalists again?
newbie
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stay away from huge supply projects with billions of coins OR  LEARN THE HARD WAY Grin

this is why bitcoin came 0ut with 21 million coins!

simple equation to know why and somehow people years in this industry and still dont know this simple fact Huh
legendary
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Perhaps it’s the absolute slaughter of altcoins. But I feel like we were all blinded in 2017. I have 20,000 Cardano, and all I see it do is lose Satoshi value. I feel like I’ve had enough!!

I mean seriously. What is Cardano? It does nothing. Nobody uses it. It’s one of about a dozen protocols that will probably never be used and never be wanted.

I’m 85% bitcoin. I’m about to make that 100%. Everyone loves Cardano...really? Why! It’s just another shitcoin. They are all shitcoins!!

it sounds like the market convinced you---by taking your money.

i don't believe any altcoins hold a candle to BTC, and i don't know anything about cardano, but there is some interesting work being done with privacy and smart contracts/DEX.

the thing about altcoin/BTC markets is they realize almost all their gains at the end of a bull run, in the last throws of the bubble. ADA may be crap but it will bubble at that time with the best of them.
legendary
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I am starting to believe that alt run&crash in 2017-2019 was the Dot.com bubble happened in 2000's.

There were many tech companies being shilled on Wall Street at that time just like how people shilled for shitcoins/ICO's in 2017.

Only the strongest survived the crash in 2000's. Just like it is happening now.

*%99.2 btc here.
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