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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 01, 2023, 03:48:23 PM

Uncertainty is one of the things that comes before our analysis, when we are doing analysis of bitcoin or any other crypto, it is not good to even watch the news because it will interfere with our analysis, and that is not a good thing because we let ourselves go. Due to informations that are not so good at the same time, this means that uncertainty is a feeling that must be overcome with a lot of theory, with sufficient security and knowing how to forecast what may come, taking into account the great fundamentals that exist in the market. and what can occur in the world at any given moment, these things are what make the difference that a bearish or bullish market can generate.

Whether you do like it or not then it would really be just for you or needed to see up those fundamentals for you to be that aware on whats happening around the market and its true that it could really boggled up your

mind or analysis that you had made out earlier because you've been able to be affected via means of emotion and if you arent that have much awareness and experience then pretty sure it would mixed up something.
This is why you should really be that mindful when it comes to things which are supposed to be done.If you dont like to risk up on something then this market isnt really for you.
You should know and bare with the risk if you are really that have plans on dealing with this market.

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Quote from: Myleschetty on December 28, 2022, 03:59:11 PM

Quote from: South Park on December 28, 2022, 02:23:52 PM

It seems to me people have forgotten that pump and dump groups are illegal, I do know they are easy to find and they are all over telegram but they are still illegal, also whales can manipulate the markets because we are talking about a very small number of individuals with enormous power, so even if you could concentrate most of the retail investors to do this, it will be almost impossible to coordinate them to buy and sell at the same time, so what is being proposed on this thread cannot be successfully implemented, especially when we are talking about an asset like bitcoin.

Out of curiosity, is there a rule and regulation that states pump and dump are illegal? Just want to know since my understanding about the reason why they are considered illegal is that their service is just about scamming their followers.

It is just another form of wire fraud, according it Investopedia these are elements to consider to determine if something is a form of wire fraud:

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Understanding Wire Fraud

The U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Resource Manual Section 941.18 U.S.C. 1343 cites these as the key elements of wire fraud: “1) that the defendant voluntarily and intentionally devised or participated in a scheme to defraud another out of money; 2) that the defendant did so with the intent to defraud; 3) that it was reasonably foreseeable that interstate wire communications would be used; and 4) that interstate wire communications were in fact used.”

Source: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/wirefraud.asp

Now tell me does pump and dump schemes fulfill all of those conditions? Obviously the answer is yes, as such if the identities of those behind pump and dump schemes become known they can be prosecuted as what they are doing is completely illegal no matter how you look at it, as such people need to stay away from those groups and find a reliable way to make money in the market.

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Uncertainty is one of the things that comes before our analysis, when we are doing analysis of bitcoin or any other crypto, it is not good to even watch the news because it will interfere with our analysis, and that is not a good thing because we let ourselves go. Due to informations that are not so good at the same time, this means that uncertainty is a feeling that must be overcome with a lot of theory, with sufficient security and knowing how to forecast what may come, taking into account the great fundamentals that exist in the market. and what can occur in the world at any given moment, these things are what make the difference that a bearish or bullish market can generate.

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Quote from: lixer on December 19, 2022, 04:54:42 PM

Quote from: Flexystar on December 18, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

The fact that we are in the crypto market makes it more difficult for us to understand whom to believe and whom not believe. The market is huge and it’s bumpy ride all the way. It’s up to us how to make money out of it. We can either keep talking the obstacles, difficulties and volatility or we just straight away jump into it and keep buying more coins. I mean we only loose when we sell the coins which is the oldest saying here and from the fellow members. I would always like to believe them and kee holding until I get best profits out of it.

If you are a newbie in here, then that will be the case that can happen to you. You will get confused and you will end up believing on the wrong people but for someone who is not new in here, they can easily do a research and confirm the rumours that they see if it was only a lie/fud or it was a real thing already. They can then base their actions according to it.

Anyone that is involved here and stay in the game, are going to face the obstacles and difficulties. There is no shortcut in here. The last thing that you said will only depend on the coin that we hold. What if you hold a shitcoin? The best thing to do with a shitcoin is to sell them immediately.

That is why you shouldn't rely on other people; make your hands dirty! Do it on your own. Let's say you came across someone who was giving you signals, but he just vanished a few months later; how do you now make a profit? Also, as a newbie, we experienced a lot of difficulties and mistakes, which is why we need to learn from them. If you've stayed here and tried your hardest to learn and earn, there's a good chance you'll find what you're looking for, or the holy grail for you to earn or take out the bones from the market.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on December 21, 2022, 05:50:25 PM

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

Investing in bitcoin is not a contest between market-controlling whales and ordinary investors. Invest when you should, and don't pressure your friends to do the same when they aren't ready to do so in something they can't afford to lose money on. It is impossible to buy all of bitcoin in one day (impossible). For once, no one can think that

The cryptocurrency market is accessible to everyone; you can buy and sell whenever you want. Do not overexcite yourself about bitcoin. Investing in cryptocurrencies might be risky. Use caution in it.

There's always that risk and this is something should really be put up on someones mind and even how Bitcoin is been widely known or popular but it cant really just possible on buying it out on one go.
It cant just be possible and if it happens then there would really be that monopoly but technically speaking then it cant just be possible nor really that happens.
Deal up according on the risk that you could able to bare or withstand.There's no assurance on how far or how low we would really be able to reach out
on future years to come.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.

We don't make it happening, but this is the crypto market, this is happening during the bearish era. The crash of Bitcoin price always happening and we are only waiting for this. There are complicated things to think about if we want this not to happen. This is not as easy and simple as we think. There are many factors why this crypto market is still crashing. But one thing that we must think, what we must do during this bearish market.
Exactly, we must be more patient in facing this market condition. Additionally, making certain strategies during this bearish market will make our waiting here more valuable. I mean, doing DCA in Bitcoin by buying the coin for long-term holding. This is the best thing to do when the market is like this. We cannot fight the market. But we can utilize every market condition by taking the chance to buy Bitcoin at a low price and hold them until the price that we target is achieved.

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

We need to take money from whales the wall street fat guys or we dont play this game here.

No need to say this mate, for what and can we? Just enjoy our life and utilize every chance that we have to do in this crypto market. So, we don't need to fight the whales, we just follow what they are thinking and targeting. We don't need to always focus on fighting against them, but we focus on what we can exactly do in reality.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on December 21, 2022, 05:50:25 PM

[snip]It is impossible to buy all of bitcoin in one day (impossible). For once, no one can think that

This is not appropriate for everyone some people have more than a single Bitcoin in a day.

Quote from: South Park on December 28, 2022, 02:23:52 PM

It seems to me people have forgotten that pump and dump groups are illegal, I do know they are easy to find and they are all over telegram but they are still illegal, also whales can manipulate the markets because we are talking about a very small number of individuals with enormous power, so even if you could concentrate most of the retail investors to do this, it will be almost impossible to coordinate them to buy and sell at the same time, so what is being proposed on this thread cannot be successfully implemented, especially when we are talking about an asset like bitcoin.

Out of curiosity, is there a rule and regulation that states pump and dump are illegal? Just want to know since my understanding about the reason why they are considered illegal is that their service is just about scamming their followers.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on December 21, 2022, 05:50:25 PM

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

Investing in bitcoin is not a contest between market-controlling whales and ordinary investors. Invest when you should, and don't pressure your friends to do the same when they aren't ready to do so in something they can't afford to lose money on. It is impossible to buy all of bitcoin in one day (impossible). For once, no one can think that

The cryptocurrency market is accessible to everyone; you can buy and sell whenever you want. Do not overexcite yourself about bitcoin. Investing in cryptocurrencies might be risky. Use caution in it.

It seems to me people have forgotten that pump and dump groups are illegal, I do know they are easy to find and they are all over telegram but they are still illegal, also whales can manipulate the markets because we are talking about a very small number of individuals with enormous power, so even if you could concentrate most of the retail investors to do this, it will be almost impossible to coordinate them to buy and sell at the same time, so what is being proposed on this thread cannot be successfully implemented, especially when we are talking about an asset like bitcoin.

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I don't think that anyone will agree with your talk because presently no one can easily trust the other person and I think that such activities which you describes does not give any benefit to its users. One more thing is that if a person is not familiar with certain thing then he should not participate because less knowledge will make him looser. One important point is that we do not make the price up and down it occur according to the market situation. Btc is one of the best option if it declines then its surely will goes more up and will not disappoint its users.

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This sounds like a coup by what you are doing. lol

The market doesn't work like that and maybe this is what the trading signal was doing (correct me if I'm wrong) since it's kinda similar to what they've been doing.

Besides, investment should not stress you if you are planning to invest for a long time. Just hodl it while doing some DCA, it's just normal to see FUD especially if the market is in bearish market it always happens like that since almost everyone was trying to save their investment and also they were weak-hands that's why they sell out.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

Investing in bitcoin is not a contest between market-controlling whales and ordinary investors. Invest when you should, and don't pressure your friends to do the same when they aren't ready to do so in something they can't afford to lose money on. It is impossible to buy all of bitcoin in one day (impossible). For once, no one can think that

The cryptocurrency market is accessible to everyone; you can buy and sell whenever you want. Do not overexcite yourself about bitcoin. Investing in cryptocurrencies might be risky. Use caution in it.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

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Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

We need to take money from whales the wall street fat guys or we dont play this game here.
But most of you are happy when big whales rob you......

It won't be as easy as you talk mate. How much strength do we have, especially the small traders, to fight against the manipulation of whales and also the FUD that keeps crashing? Even though the whales didn't completely manipulate it, the market is currently in a bearish state, or in a simple sense, it's in a crash market era. So, there is no need to worry or blame anyone. If we are indeed long-term holders, just focus on how to buy more Bitcoin when the price is still cheap like now. Then, save the Bitcoin for the long term, at least until it reaches a bullish era later at a higher price. This would make more sense than having to think about fighting whales or trying to fight the market.

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Quote from: tvplus006 on December 20, 2022, 03:41:48 PM

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

...So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.
...

I don't see the price changing after your purchase. The market does not work like that and if you made a purchase for $ 100, it will not change the direction of price movement. All existing pump groups cannot somehow affect the value of bitcoin, since it has a huge capitalization.

We all know that the price of bitcoins can not get elevated due one particular person venture into buying of Bitcoin, so the price rise due to it has have a huge market demand and lower supply, so the gravity of the demand will determine exactly when the price of Bitcoin will accelerate in bullish market, that's from my perspective.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

...So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.
...

I don't see the price changing after your purchase. The market does not work like that and if you made a purchase for $ 100, it will not change the direction of price movement. All existing pump groups cannot somehow affect the value of bitcoin, since it has a huge capitalization.

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Quote from: lixer on December 19, 2022, 04:54:42 PM

Quote from: Flexystar on December 18, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

The fact that we are in the crypto market makes it more difficult for us to understand whom to believe and whom not believe. The market is huge and it’s bumpy ride all the way. It’s up to us how to make money out of it. We can either keep talking the obstacles, difficulties and volatility or we just straight away jump into it and keep buying more coins. I mean we only loose when we sell the coins which is the oldest saying here and from the fellow members. I would always like to believe them and kee holding until I get best profits out of it.

If you are a newbie in here, then that will be the case that can happen to you. You will get confused and you will end up believing on the wrong people but for someone who is not new in here, they can easily do a research and confirm the rumours that they see if it was only a lie/fud or it was a real thing already. They can then base their actions according to it.

Anyone that is involved here and stay in the game, are going to face the obstacles and difficulties. There is no shortcut in here. The last thing that you said will only depend on the coin that we hold. What if you hold a shitcoin? The best thing to do with a shitcoin is to sell them immediately.

Just let those false information to be their learning curve because this is where people do usually ends up because when we are still a noob then it cant really be denied that we are really just too hard headed.

We do easily believe on what we are able to hear and read up on this space without trying out to make some verification or Indepth research in relation to that.

Speaking about uncertainties and other things in relation to this market then it isnt something new.Its been like this where lots of news and sentiments could really circle around.

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Quote from: Flexystar on December 18, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

The fact that we are in the crypto market makes it more difficult for us to understand whom to believe and whom not believe. The market is huge and it’s bumpy ride all the way. It’s up to us how to make money out of it. We can either keep talking the obstacles, difficulties and volatility or we just straight away jump into it and keep buying more coins. I mean we only loose when we sell the coins which is the oldest saying here and from the fellow members. I would always like to believe them and kee holding until I get best profits out of it.

If you are a newbie in here, then that will be the case that can happen to you. You will get confused and you will end up believing on the wrong people but for someone who is not new in here, they can easily do a research and confirm the rumours that they see if it was only a lie/fud or it was a real thing already. They can then base their actions according to it.

Anyone that is involved here and stay in the game, are going to face the obstacles and difficulties. There is no shortcut in here. The last thing that you said will only depend on the coin that we hold. What if you hold a shitcoin? The best thing to do with a shitcoin is to sell them immediately.

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Quote from: Flexystar on December 18, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

The fact that we are in the crypto market makes it more difficult for us to understand whom to believe and whom not believe. The market is huge and it’s bumpy ride all the way. It’s up to us how to make money out of it. We can either keep talking the obstacles, difficulties and volatility or we just straight away jump into it and keep buying more coins. I mean we only loose when we sell the coins which is the oldest saying here and from the fellow members. I would always like to believe them and kee holding until I get best profits out of it.

But you will agree that the big players make the bigger decision. The market is huge for sure but there are individuals and co-operations that play the investment game with so much funds in that once the pull out their funds from the market it shifts the direction of the trend ASAP. Volatility in the market don't just happen things trigger them and one of them is how funds moves in and out in large sum.

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Quote from: bitgolden on December 18, 2022, 04:32:41 AM

Quote from: michellee on December 18, 2022, 01:29:34 AM

Knowing that the potential for bitcoin in the future can provide us with huge profits, it is a good plan to start investing in bitcoin. Moreover, at this time there is still a possibility to see the price of bitcoin decrease again so that we are still given the opportunity to buy.

It may decrease or not; but we should keep investing for sure. Most people here do plan for investing into bitcoin only if they see a decrease in prices; that must be a newbie mistake in my opinion. Veteran people who got time to analyse all the potential of bitcoin market will keep investing at regular interval irrespective of whare bitcoin market is heading.

If they think that way, it will be too late for them to start investing in bitcoin. Hopefully, they can change their minds and start investing now to see the growth in the value of their assets once bitcoin starts to get its momentum going again. But that's up to them because we can't force it on them.

Quote from: bitgolden on December 18, 2022, 04:32:41 AM

Quote from: michellee on December 18, 2022, 01:29:34 AM

And we can be wise in using money to buy bitcoin because we don't need to buy all the money at one price. We better buy at a lot of low prices so that it can be an advantage for us.

But everyone wants to catch the exact bottom price of bitcoin market which must be the reason why most people do wait for one price for all their money. Keep averaging must be a great idea because it ensures investing around bottom prices.

But it won't be easy to catch the low of the bitcoin market because we know no one can predict correctly to what extent the bitcoin price will be low. Either way, they have to choose and if that remains their choice, we can only hope they can find that rock bottom and start buying bitcoins.

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@OP, I've looked at your post history and it looks like you're building a pump group, how's that going? is this part of the pump movement you are managing?

Unfortunately, the people here have been educated to think somewhat rationally about trading decisions. It's a good idea to invite you to join the "common sense traders" group before you go any further with your pump team.
As you said,

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

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Take your destiny on your own hands.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.
(....)

Trading is not working like this. If you think trading is easy like this, you are wrong, you may lose your money when you are trading like this and your expectation is like this.
You must be aware that trading is extremely risky, take note of a lot of factors when you are trading, and a lot of impossible things will happen. That's why there is risk management to help you to preserve your capital, that's why also there is stop loss so it will help to not lose bigger if your plan didn't worked well.

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