Topic: TPTB_Coin vs AmericanPegasusCoin: which next-gen currency to invest in for 2016? - page 2. (Read 2418 times)
January 22, 2016, 09:17:46 AM
Guys, take posts of altcoinUK with a big portion of salt, he is a well-known lier.
January 22, 2016, 08:54:20 AM
Zimbeck's only fault imo was that he didn't quit and tell everyone after finding out Bob and his scam team were up to no good, but kept quiet instead hoping the project could deliver regardless.
Yes. Who is in his right mind would team up with Bobsurplus when Bob openly advertises that he couldn't care less about technology, not interested in business plans nor creating something real - his only business plan is to pump and dump a coin. David did team up with the self admitted scammer. I like David to a certain extent as he is a smart young man, but he was totally immoral and corrupt in the Bitbay operation.
Aye and Bob started with threats first, told the Chinese "project owner" that he will crush the project if he doesn't get more $.
The reason of the fight between Bob and David was more simple: David offended Bob in my unmoderated thread, David was not very complimentary about Bob. Bob didn't like that and lost his scammer cold head, and then he did have reiterated the insults by publishing the chat logs. Two scammers who came together to P&D a coin and market it to naive "investors" clashed on personal matters. Also, Bob realised that there won't be much profit and he didn't care any more, and crashed the party. We made quite a noise in that thread, law enforcement was being starting to be involved with the process so that was Bob's exit.
January 22, 2016, 08:17:10 AM
Who the hell is Bob Surplus.
A scammer who has conducted multiple pump and dump scams, the largest (afaik) being cheating BitBay investors and his own pump group out of 700 BTC by conspiring with an exchange (BTER) to pump the price using the ICO funds that were supposed to be frozen by the exchange until the coin is released. The deal was Bob and his partner Gekko were supposed to handle the marketing of the coin but they just took the BTC, dumped the BitBay coins, and ran.
Surprised he's still alive tbh.
http://cointelegraph.com/news/113238/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin
I am sure you remember that my unmoderated thread at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitbay-decentralized-marketplace-unmoderated-thread-857457 crashed the Bitbay party. Bobsurplus admitted the scam as well as challenged David Zimbeck there. Since I know the the story quite well, let me point out an inaccuracy in your post.
To say that Bob was the scammer without mentioning David Zimbeck is a misinformation. Yes, Bob is a scammer (thought at least unlike others he admit that his business is P&D), but Bob wasn't the main figure behind that scam - it was David Zimbeck. Without the active input of David the Bitbay scam could never happen. Bob deployed the army of sockpuppets and shills to P&D the coin - which is a scam and that's what he does with all coins he is involved with - but not mentioning David Zimbeck is like you wouldn't mention Laurel in the analysis of the Laurel & Hardy act. On that note, it's actually hilarious as Laurel & Hardy was that many of us warn users, becuase the shit they sell is not a real projects, only a P&D that is suported by shills and sockpuppets, Bob admits himself that he is a P&D organiser, but idiots and wannabe rich greedy "investors" (most of the time with a no more than a high school lunch money size investment) still buy his shitcoins.
Anyway, I think Bob is already finished his operation.
This is how I remember it, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Zimbeck is still working on BitBay this day, Bob never did anything to help the project. Bob and the rest of the scam team hired Zimbeck to implement his smart contracts into the wallet (and that was supposed to be all he would do and be paid for), and started advertising the project using Zimbeck's name as the lead developer without his consent to give it more credibility.
Zimbeck's only fault imo was that he didn't quit and tell everyone after finding out Bob and his scam team were up to no good, but kept quiet instead hoping the project could deliver regardless.
After Bob left soon after the ICO and took all the project's money there were no funds left for development, and Zimbeck decided to stay and finish the project alone even though that wasn't his job, it should've been Bob's team's responsibility.
Wasn't it the chinese guy from Bter who hired both Bob and David? Bob offered him his "marketing" services while David was needed as a developer (he is probably well known within the chinese crypto community because of BLK/BC). Bob fucked both of them over and went away with the money.
Aye and Bob started with threats first, told the Chinese "project owner" that he will crush the project if he doesn't get more $.
That's what I remember from the leaked IRC logs.
January 22, 2016, 08:10:11 AM
Who the hell is Bob Surplus.
A scammer who has conducted multiple pump and dump scams, the largest (afaik) being cheating BitBay investors and his own pump group out of 700 BTC by conspiring with an exchange (BTER) to pump the price using the ICO funds that were supposed to be frozen by the exchange until the coin is released. The deal was Bob and his partner Gekko were supposed to handle the marketing of the coin but they just took the BTC, dumped the BitBay coins, and ran.
Surprised he's still alive tbh.
http://cointelegraph.com/news/113238/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin
I am sure you remember that my unmoderated thread at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitbay-decentralized-marketplace-unmoderated-thread-857457 crashed the Bitbay party. Bobsurplus admitted the scam as well as challenged David Zimbeck there. Since I know the the story quite well, let me point out an inaccuracy in your post.
To say that Bob was the scammer without mentioning David Zimbeck is a misinformation. Yes, Bob is a scammer (thought at least unlike others he admit that his business is P&D), but Bob wasn't the main figure behind that scam - it was David Zimbeck. Without the active input of David the Bitbay scam could never happen. Bob deployed the army of sockpuppets and shills to P&D the coin - which is a scam and that's what he does with all coins he is involved with - but not mentioning David Zimbeck is like you wouldn't mention Laurel in the analysis of the Laurel & Hardy act. On that note, it's actually hilarious as Laurel & Hardy was that many of us warn users, becuase the shit they sell is not a real projects, only a P&D that is suported by shills and sockpuppets, Bob admits himself that he is a P&D organiser, but idiots and wannabe rich greedy "investors" (most of the time with a no more than a high school lunch money size investment) still buy his shitcoins.
Anyway, I think Bob is already finished his operation.
This is how I remember it, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Zimbeck is still working on BitBay this day, Bob never did anything to help the project. Bob and the rest of the scam team hired Zimbeck to implement his smart contracts into the wallet (and that was supposed to be all he would do and be paid for), and started advertising the project using Zimbeck's name as the lead developer without his consent to give it more credibility.
Zimbeck's only fault imo was that he didn't quit and tell everyone after finding out Bob and his scam team were up to no good, but kept quiet instead hoping the project could deliver regardless.
After Bob left soon after the ICO and took all the project's money there were no funds left for development, and Zimbeck decided to stay and finish the project alone even though that wasn't his job, it should've been Bob's team's responsibility.
January 22, 2016, 08:09:26 AM
I will not involve myself in discussions of the probabilities surrounding vaporware.
Hah, that's new.
January 22, 2016, 08:03:03 AM
On the note of TPTB_need_war, I like him, he is a very smart fellow, bring up interesting points in technical discussions, but here is my warning and prediction: if he ever release his coin (which is doubtful as he is unable to work with anyone, e.g now he is having a fight with his former best friend smooth) then that coin will create nothing but tears and disappointment for the inevitable bagholders. It will be P&D like other coins with the army of disappointed bag holders at the and of the chain.
TPTB_need_war's innovations such us the no PoW and his plan of pursuing the third world market are nothing but marketing gimmicks. There is zero chance for monetization (except that he and the early adopters will pocket some profit via the P&D) and his coin will never find way to real world businesses and won't be a factor in the real world's economy. It will exists in this pathetic no volume microcosms for a while, and then it will disappear like all other coins.
TPTB_need_war's innovations such us the no PoW and his plan of pursuing the third world market are nothing but marketing gimmicks. There is zero chance for monetization (except that he and the early adopters will pocket some profit via the P&D) and his coin will never find way to real world businesses and won't be a factor in the real world's economy. It will exists in this pathetic no volume microcosms for a while, and then it will disappear like all other coins.
January 22, 2016, 07:50:31 AM
Who the hell is Bob Surplus.
A scammer who has conducted multiple pump and dump scams, the largest (afaik) being cheating BitBay investors and his own pump group out of 700 BTC by conspiring with an exchange (BTER) to pump the price using the ICO funds that were supposed to be frozen by the exchange until the coin is released. The deal was Bob and his partner Gekko were supposed to handle the marketing of the coin but they just took the BTC, dumped the BitBay coins, and ran.
Surprised he's still alive tbh.
http://cointelegraph.com/news/113238/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin
I am sure you remember that my unmoderated thread at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitbay-decentralized-marketplace-unmoderated-thread-857457 crashed the Bitbay party. Bobsurplus admitted the scam as well as challenged David Zimbeck there. Since I know the the story quite well, let me point out an inaccuracy in your post.
To say that Bob was the scammer without mentioning David Zimbeck is a misinformation. Yes, Bob is a scammer (thought at least unlike others he admit that his business is P&D), but Bob wasn't the main figure behind that scam - it was David Zimbeck. Without the active input of David the Bitbay scam could never happen. Bob deployed the army of sockpuppets and shills to P&D the coin - which is a scam and that's what he does with all coins he is involved with - but not mentioning David Zimbeck is like you wouldn't mention Laurel in the analysis of the Laurel & Hardy act. On that note, it's actually hilarious as Laurel & Hardy was that many of us warn users, becuase the shit they sell is not a real projects, only a P&D that is suported by shills and sockpuppets, Bob admits himself that he is a P&D organiser, but idiots and wannabe rich greedy "investors" (most of the time with a no more than a high school lunch money size investment) still buy his shitcoins.
Anyway, I think Bob is already finished his operation.
January 22, 2016, 03:54:18 AM
Who the hell is Bob Surplus. I used to watch Sanford & Son, does that apply?
The story of Bob Surplus
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-story-of-bob-surplus-896480
January 22, 2016, 03:53:02 AM
Who the hell is Bob Surplus.
A scammer who has conducted multiple pump and dump scams, the largest (afaik) being cheating BitBay investors and his own pump group out of 700 BTC by conspiring with an exchange (BTER) to pump the price using the ICO funds that were supposed to be frozen by the exchange until the coin is released. The deal was Bob and his partner Gekko were supposed to handle the marketing of the coin but they just took the BTC, dumped the BitBay coins, and ran.
Surprised he's still alive tbh.
http://cointelegraph.com/news/113238/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin
January 22, 2016, 03:37:55 AM
Who the hell is Bob Surplus. I used to watch Sanford & Son, does that apply?
January 22, 2016, 02:28:25 AM
Is this Bob Surplus' new angle? 
What are you talking about? Bob Surplus has no connection to TPTB or AmericanPegasus that I am aware of.
* plot twist *
Lol yup.
January 21, 2016, 11:26:36 PM
Is this Bob Surplus' new angle?
What are you talking about? Bob Surplus has no connection to TPTB or AmericanPegasus that I am aware of.
* plot twist *
January 21, 2016, 10:15:12 PM
Is this Bob Surplus' new angle?
What are you talking about? Bob Surplus has no connection to TPTB or AmericanPegasus that I am aware of.
January 21, 2016, 09:13:05 PM
Is this Bob Surplus' new angle?
January 21, 2016, 06:15:37 PM
I would much prefer to discuss technological and marketing solutions for our goals in crypto currency. Thus I don't think I will be participating in this thread. Time waster.
My guess is that AmericanPegasus started this thread as an attempt at comedy and not for any other nefarious purpose. I won't spend more time in this thread either but I do not assume ill intent. There are many people in the Monero and Aeon communities who value the contributions of TPTB.
Okay my bad. Humor is most welcome at this juncture (and even if but not iff I am the butt of the joke).
January 21, 2016, 05:54:56 PM
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Before I make any investment I would like to know if you have left the Monero Saturday Gentlemens-club?Edits: After actually checking your announcement thread I have changed my mind. Im in.
Nevermind.
January 21, 2016, 05:29:10 PM
I would much prefer to discuss technological and marketing solutions for our goals in crypto currency. Thus I don't think I will be participating in this thread. Time waster.
My guess is that AmericanPegasus started this thread as an attempt at comedy and not for any other nefarious purpose. I won't spend more time in this thread either but I do not assume ill intent. There are many people in the Monero and Aeon communities who value the contributions of TPTB.
January 21, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
I have no project for the readers to invest in, so the topic of the thread is nonsense.
If this is a forward looking question, assuming that I might produce a project, then I will not involve myself in discussions of the probabilities surrounding vaporware.
My intuition is that the purpose of this thread is to try to collect and manipulate public opinion, and this is apparently already well documented tactic of the Monero (and now apparently by association the Aeon) clan.
I would much prefer to discuss technological and marketing solutions for our goals in crypto currency. Thus I don't think I will be participating in this thread. Time waster.
If this is a forward looking question, assuming that I might produce a project, then I will not involve myself in discussions of the probabilities surrounding vaporware.
My intuition is that the purpose of this thread is to try to collect and manipulate public opinion, and this is apparently already well documented tactic of the Monero (and now apparently by association the Aeon) clan.
I would much prefer to discuss technological and marketing solutions for our goals in crypto currency. Thus I don't think I will be participating in this thread. Time waster.
January 21, 2016, 04:52:24 PM
In other news, popcorn stocks have doubled in 30 minutes!
January 21, 2016, 04:44:47 PM
TPTB_Coin was recently gored by a GNU.
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