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Topic: TradeHill - We now support deposits and withdrawals of funds via Paxum. - page 4. (Read 16392 times)

donator
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We are not hiding anything. Our roots are in adult - and we have ran a very successful adult affiliate program that has 10 years of ontime payouts without ever ripping anyone off who we owed money to.


Coincidentally, both named Chris. Coincidentally epassporte AND Paxum have roots in the adult industry. Coincidentally, I have a brain, so do most users in this forum.

People, MAKE YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. I will not post regarding this issue anymore. All you need to make your own judgement as a user is out there.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0

I'm not sure if you are asking why can't you wire directly to tradehill's paxum account from your bank. We do not allow third party wires to our user accounts. Only wires or ach allowed to be sent to your paxum account is from your bank account.

No the question is why wouldn't we wire Tradehill's bank account directly (I believe both they and mtgox can accept this)?

I just don't see the value of using Paxum in the middle here?
legendary
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The owner of Paxum is Octav Moise, you can look it up if you'd like to. Chris Mallick has absolutely nothing to do with Paxum.
Wasn't Octav Moise the guy behind the 'Vimax' (penis enlargement patch) affiliate program that littered the Internet with web pages using the words "Vimax" and "scam" prominently so that people searching for "is vimax a scam" would find hundreds of pages that said it wasn't?

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Registrant:
   OA Internet Services Ltd
   5764 Monkland Ave. Suite 555
   Montreal, Quebec h4a 1e9
   Canada

   Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
   Domain Name: VIMAX.COM
      Created on: 06-Feb-98
      Expires on: 05-Feb-12
      Last Updated on: 01-Dec-10

   Administrative Contact:
      M., Octav  [email protected]
      OA Internet Services Ltd
      5764 Monkland Ave. Suite 555
      Montreal, Quebec h4a 1e9
      Canada
      +1.2673506523      Fax --

Joel,

You are correct about Octav. Furthermore, Octav is the testaferro (http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/testaferro) of Chris.
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I know what testaferro is... what I don't know is what kind of proof you have... how about you offer that instead?
newbie
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Also you can NOT wire/ach money directly to another account holder. The money must be sent to your verified account from the banking information matching your account

Chris

Yes, but if I was going to wire to Paxum, then use Paxum to fund Tradehill... why wouldn't I just wire the money directly to Tradehill?

For that matter, is there any reason Tradehill's US account can't accept ACH directly?



I'm not sure if you are asking why can't you wire directly to tradehill's paxum account from your bank. We do not allow third party wires to our user accounts. Only wires or ach allowed to be sent to your paxum account is from your bank account.
donator
Activity: 296
Merit: 250
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The owner of Paxum is Octav Moise, you can look it up if you'd like to. Chris Mallick has absolutely nothing to do with Paxum.
Wasn't Octav Moise the guy behind the 'Vimax' (penis enlargement patch) affiliate program that littered the Internet with web pages using the words "Vimax" and "scam" prominently so that people searching for "is vimax a scam" would find hundreds of pages that said it wasn't?

Quote
Registrant:
   OA Internet Services Ltd
   5764 Monkland Ave. Suite 555
   Montreal, Quebec h4a 1e9
   Canada

   Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
   Domain Name: VIMAX.COM
      Created on: 06-Feb-98
      Expires on: 05-Feb-12
      Last Updated on: 01-Dec-10

   Administrative Contact:
      M., Octav  [email protected]
      OA Internet Services Ltd
      5764 Monkland Ave. Suite 555
      Montreal, Quebec h4a 1e9
      Canada
      +1.2673506523      Fax --
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Joel,

You are correct about Octav. Furthermore, Octav is the testaferro (http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/testaferro) of Chris.
donator
Activity: 296
Merit: 250

I have no relation with any of the companies involved here. That said, its a bit random that just after the MtGox/AurumXchange deal (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=30982.0), AurumXchange comes here to bad mouth the new Trade Hill partner. Hopefully you are doing with the best of intentions.

All I want to say is that if you are doing this to help the Bitcoin economy avoid another fiasco, thank you. But if this turns out to be one or various companies using bad tactics and spreading FUD and FEAR to damage competitors at the expense of the reputation of the Bitcoin economy, I promise you that I will use the little reputation I might have gather in this forums to spread the word so people dont use your services.

EDIT: There has been some serious "pr work" in the forums lately by interested parties, trying to appear as normal users. All this has to stop.

1. If you read my previous post where Jered posted the issue with Dwolla, I gave Jered my full support, and I said that I wish the best to Tradehill (as well as camp BX, etc) because competition is good and necessary.
2. I am doing this STRICTLY to protect Tradehill and its users. While it is true that MtGox / Aurumxchange has a long standing working relationship (we were working with them since Jed owned it), we are an independent exchanger, and will provide the SAME services and partner in the SAME way with Tradehill, or any other bitcoin exchanger that wants to do so. The more "ecurrencies" (or in this case shall we call them instruments) we exchange, the better and the bigger the revenue.
3. Like I said in a previous post, I have worked with e-currencies for a long time, been scammed a lot of times, I have learned a lot from the business, and I think there is something of value we e-currency people can bring to the table when it comes to exchanging money. For example, anecdotally, on my previous thread where somebody mentioned Tradehill had FREE sepa transfers I commented how banks in the SEPA zone, as soon as they learn your are in the "e-currency" business, and you start moving a decent amount of money they drop you like flies. This has happened to MtGox, and now as I understand it, Tradehill is having problems with their SEPA account. I didn't "make this happen" or said this with an agenda against Tradehill. I am simply trying to help and bring my experience on things that happened to us before bitcoin even existed
4. I am 100% CONVINCED that Mallick is behind Paxum. I do not have any facts to back this up of course because he is not going to put his name nowhere near Paxum. I know a lot of people in the industry to know I am right. I do not have any factual information to support my claims. I would advice people to proceed with caution, but more than anything, I would advice Jered to proceed with caution because I know he is a decent guy and he will never pass these losses to his customers so he is the one at risk of getting hurt the most.

Time will tell how this goes I guess

Roberto
legendary
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I'm postIng this from my Phone so please excuse any typos.

I see your game and I won't play it.
 You are flat out wrong. Michael Olsen an epass
Mastermind? Just shows how clue less you are.

Yes I'm saying paxum has no connection
Employee partner board member wise. The only
Person to ever have s connection was Michael for two weeks.

Paxum is set up in Belize. How is that a connection to
Epass?


To the community : I do not look at this guy
As a reflection of the community as a whole.
People should be on their guard when it comes to
Money but for someone just to repeat lies
And never accept the answer given is just absurd.

My final words to him unless he has a valid question
Is that paxum is not epass and we have no epass employees
Or board members or whatever name you want
To give them. The only true thing posted was
Michael was employed for two weeks. Half of he was sick and
Could not work. He was a support person on
Messages boards. Same job he had with epass.


Regards
Chris

And they reply in iambic pentameter... now that's class!!!  Cheesy
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0

Also you can NOT wire/ach money directly to another account holder. The money must be sent to your verified account from the banking information matching your account

Chris

Yes, but if I was going to wire to Paxum, then use Paxum to fund Tradehill... why wouldn't I just wire the money directly to Tradehill?

For that matter, is there any reason Tradehill's US account can't accept ACH directly?

aq
full member
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Don't take BitcoinEXpress too serious, he works for Dwolla.
newbie
Activity: 22
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Hi Ruth and Chris:

Please pay no attention to the troll... he has his own agenda, and you have been nothing but gracious and patient with your explanations. I considered Paxum as a method for funding my exchange accounts, but decided to get my BTC elsewhere instead. However, if I were in the States or Europe right now, I would probably switch to Paxum right away.

I for one am very happy you guys are on board, and as long as you stick to the statements you've made to us regarding chargebacks, it should be a very good match with you and Tradehill.

Cheers,

Thanks Piper! We're happy to be here Cheesy
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
I'm postIng this from my Phone so please excuse any typos.

I see your game and I won't play it.
 You are flat out wrong. Michael Olsen an epass
Mastermind? Just shows how clue less you are.

Yes I'm saying paxum has no connection
Employee partner board member wise. The only
Person to ever have s connection was Michael for two weeks.

Paxum is set up in Belize. How is that a connection to
Epass?


To the community : I do not look at this guy
As a reflection of the community as a whole.
People should be on their guard when it comes to
Money but for someone just to repeat lies
And never accept the answer given is just absurd.

My final words to him unless he has a valid question
Is that paxum is not epass and we have no epass employees
Or board members or whatever name you want
To give them. The only true thing posted was
Michael was employed for two weeks. Half of he was sick and
Could not work. He was a support person on
Messages boards. Same job he had with epass.


Regards
Chris
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1001
@PaxumChris

You are playing word games again and are get to get hung.

Let me ask it this way as these people can be classified as Board Members, Contractors, Advisors, etc... and not employees.

Are you saying that Michael Olsen (one of the epassporte masterminds) was the only person involved with Paxum that was associated Chris Mallick in anyway shape or form?

Before you answer that you need to decide how you will handle the fact that OxyMoronEnt (owned by Chris Mallick) is a financial stake holder and business partner with Paxum. Explain the registry firms in Belize and Antilles utilizing the exact same process agents. Deny Shaliza Somani's aka MiddleMen Productions (50% owned by Chris Mallick).....




@JohnSmiith
I didn't copy your avatar, This is a highly published pic and I have been using it for a year with this name internet wide. It was a coincidnce.

We could go back and forth all day long like this, but the fact of the matter is that you are wrong, plain and simple.  This is ALSO why you have NOT been able to provide any proof/evidence of your erroneous accusations.

Paxum is in NO WAY related to Epassporte. Our thousands of customers are more than happy with our service, we are the dominant alternative payment method for the adult industry, which is an industry that was SERIOUSLY AFFECTED by the downfall of Epassporte.

Common sense will hopefully prevail among prospective clients of Paxum, particularly in light of our continued growth and success. We are Canadian incorporated, registered as a money services business, and customer feedback illustrates we are providing a great service.

If anyone has any questions that are DIFFERENT from those above, and have relevance, then please feel free to post them. Smiley



Hi Ruth and Chris:

Please pay no attention to the troll... he has his own agenda, and you have been nothing but gracious and patient with your explanations. I considered Paxum as a method for funding my exchange accounts, but decided to get my BTC elsewhere instead. However, if I were in the States or Europe right now, I would probably switch to Paxum right away.

I for one am very happy you guys are on board, and as long as you stick to the statements you've made to us regarding chargebacks, it should be a very good match with you and Tradehill.

Cheers,
newbie
Activity: 22
Merit: 0
@PaxumChris

You are playing word games again and are get to get hung.

Let me ask it this way as these people can be classified as Board Members, Contractors, Advisors, etc... and not employees.

Are you saying that Michael Olsen (one of the epassporte masterminds) was the only person involved with Paxum that was associated Chris Mallick in anyway shape or form?

Before you answer that you need to decide how you will handle the fact that OxyMoronEnt (owned by Chris Mallick) is a financial stake holder and business partner with Paxum. Explain the registry firms in Belize and Antilles utilizing the exact same process agents. Deny Shaliza Somani's aka MiddleMen Productions (50% owned by Chris Mallick).....




@JohnSmiith
I didn't copy your avatar, This is a highly published pic and I have been using it for a year with this name internet wide. It was a coincidnce.

We could go back and forth all day long like this, but the fact of the matter is that you are wrong, plain and simple.  This is ALSO why you have NOT been able to provide any proof/evidence of your erroneous accusations.

Paxum is in NO WAY related to Epassporte. Our thousands of customers are more than happy with our service, we are the dominant alternative payment method for the adult industry, which is an industry that was SERIOUSLY AFFECTED by the downfall of Epassporte.

Common sense will hopefully prevail among prospective clients of Paxum, particularly in light of our continued growth and success. We are Canadian incorporated, registered as a money services business, and customer feedback illustrates we are providing a great service.

If anyone has any questions that are DIFFERENT from those above, and have relevance, then please feel free to post them. Smiley

legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
Just stop, you're making the whole community look like a bunch of hillbilly inbreeds.

Post some proof or seriously, just STFU.




there is no proof otherwise it would be long exposed in adult industry or even posted already here in this thread.
unfortunately he won't stop spewing BS as it looks like it's his job.
sr. member
Activity: 897
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Just stop, you're making the whole community look like a bunch of hillbilly inbreeds.

Post some proof or seriously, just STFU.

@PaxumChris

You are playing word games again and are get to get hung.

Let me ask it this way as these people can be classified as Board Members, Contractors, Advisors, etc... and not employees.

Are you saying that Michael Olsen (one of the epassporte masterminds) was the only person involved with Paxum that was associated Chris Mallick in anyway shape or form?

Before you answer that you need to decide how you will handle the fact that OxyMoronEnt (owned by Chris Mallick) is a financial stake holder and business partner with Paxum. Explain the registry firms in Belize and Antilles utilizing the exact same process agents. Deny Shaliza Somani's aka MiddleMen Productions (50% owned by Chris Mallick).....




@JohnSmiith
I didn't copy your avatar, This is a highly published pic and I have been using it for a year with this name internet wide. It was a coincidnce.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
BitcoinEXpress, you are way off your base.

Micheal Olson - mastermind behind Epass??   lol how much more junk can you fed off of google?
hero member
Activity: 812
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No Maps for These Territories
I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
BitcoinXPress is playing a really weird game here since the beginning. It all started with copying my avatar. Very likely some kind of sockpuppet account in an attempt to discredit people.
legendary
Activity: 1106
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Adult industry, after been screwed by epassporte (chris mallick), would not go with paxum if there would be even slightest connection between the two.


Wrong, it's all about the money and if more money can be brought in than lost it's all good.

@PaxumChris

I have access to financial records and research tools that would totally frighten most people.

Do you really want to go there?



Hey Chris:

Better to ignore the trolls. Unfortunately, you just walked into these forums without prior knowledge. Pay no attention to morons like BitcoinEXpress, who may be trying to push their own agenda or simply get a chuckle out of getting you riled up.

You explained your position as well as you could, and have made yourself available for anyone who may have questions about Paxum to reach you. For the record, I looked into Paxum, but discarded it in favour of the Canadian bitcoin exchange Virtex, which made life a lot simpler for me. But that's because I'm in Canada. If I were in the States right now, I'd probably turn to Paxum to fund my Tradehill account.

Glad to have you guys on board.



Yes - if you have proof that paxum is the same company as epassporte please post it. I've worked for the owners of paxum in our other biz for 9 years. I would think I know who they are.


How do you explain all the common RELATIVES of Chris Mallick and Paxum? I noticed you didn't deny that one.




You are one confussed person it seems. I'll deny it right now.


PAXUM HAS NO EPASSPORTE EMPLOEYES WORKING FOR THE COMPANY. NO RELATIVES OF EPASSPORTE EMPLOYEES. NOTHING.

The only epassporte employee that EVER worked for paxum was Michael Olsen. He was a board support rep for epassporte. He was not even in the same country as the epassporte offices. He worked for us for two weeks. He decided to go work for a competitor of ours. That is the ONLY connection with people to epassporte.

We are both heavy in the adult industry. That is true. So are a handful of other payment providers. Are they owned by epassporte?

What other connection are you finding paxum to epassporte?





The story unravels huh Chris?

Before it was ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION, now it is just Michael Olsen.

Mr. Olsen was no small player and he was there a lot longer than two weeks and still is.

What about the others? Are we going to also have a sudden slip and find yet another connection to Chris Mallick and ePassporte?

I really wished my IP was visible so you could see what major financial company I am sitting inside of.

Bottom line Chris, you are outted.

Do you deny the other mentioned people are nvolved with Paxum, past or present?

What in the world are you talking about? I've never denied that? If you look before you post im pretty sure i posted that he worked for us. He was a rep at that company and it was natural for us to hire an employee that had a ton of knowledge.  We publicly hired Michael Olsen. A person who had no day-to-day dealings with the innner workings of epassporte. He was a person who monitored adult messages boards and helped people with questions. He was out of a job - we hired him. That simple. Use your detective work. Find the competitor he works for now - and ask him your self. Or go to gfy.com and do more research and you will see we have no connection at all.

You are way off base and have no clue what you are talking about. You have yet to post anything.

I will be afk for about an hour - please find all your proof and post it.


PAXUM DOES NOT EMPLOYEE ANY EPASSPORTE RELATIVES OR PAST EMPLOYEE'S

legendary
Activity: 1050
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Ever since Dwolla incident broke out, BitcoinEXpress did the following:

- tried to make it sound like it was "Bitcoin scandal" hoping for media to pick it up instead of focusing on Dwolla issue
- tried to silence TradeHill with scare tactics so everyone else in community would stay in unknown
- and now attacking new TradeHills processing solution, Paxum with blatant accusations without proof

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.



PS  Michael Olsen bit was never hidden from anyone. The guy was customer support rep on boards, not an executive.
newbie
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The story unravels huh Chris?

Before it was ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION, now it is just Michael Olsen.

Mr. Olsen was no small player and he was there a lot longer than two weeks and still is.

What about the others? Are we going to also have a sudden slip and find yet another connection to Chris Mallick and ePassporte?

I really wished my IP was visible so you could see what major financial company I am sitting inside of.

Bottom line Chris, you are outted.

Do you deny the other mentioned people are nvolved with Paxum, past or present?

BitcoinEXpress, this is what makes forums so bad.  We have legitimate questions for Paxum, and may even have some real concerns and doubts.  But this makes it impossible to even explore that.  Ironically, you are making us more likely to trust them.

Everything you have said on every post on this forum has been poorly thought out, and poorly worded nonsense.  You need to post proof or shut up.  You are making up things about VC's, Dwolla, Paxum, etc.  Just stop.
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